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wedgylx
June 11th, 2007, 10:04 PM
I highly ephasize this.

BUYING A CARRIER IS A LOT EASIER THAN MAKING YOUR OWN, AND A LOT LESS INVOLVED. Hell, its probably only $2-3 more.

Getting Your Active Addition Into Solution:
-Keep your dosage low, because too much active is not better. You'll just end up with powder all over your application area after it dries. I would aim for around 50mg Active per mL of solution you make. Too much active also runs the risk of clogging up the sprayer nossle(if you use a sprayer, which I recommend).
-I recommend you put your created carrier into a glass vial. This is because often it helps to heat the solution to make it more homogenous. You can achieve this by either microwaving, or by putting water in a pan on the stove and heating it with the vial inside (either closed tight, or with the top out of the water. You don't have to make it THAT hot - DO NOT BOIL THE WATER. You really don't want to have the products of heated plastic in your transdermal, so like I said a glass vial is best for heating.

Application of the Finished Product, and Increasing The Efficiency:
-The thinner the skin, the better. Good areas include:
Inner forearms
Inner Wrists
Behind knees
Inner thighs
upper traps
hip flexor region
Upper chest
Tops of feet
-Shave the area free from hair.
-Rub hard, both vigorously and firmly.
-Shower before the application. Try not to use perfumed body washes or any lotions on the area of application. Plain old soap is ideal. Dry the area very well before application.
-Use gloves (powderless). Most actives will burn the hell out of your eyes, lips, and testicles, and since this is alcohol based it is VERY hard to wash off. It can last on your fingers for hours.
-NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE USED TRANSDERMALLY. This depends on molecular weight.




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Abbreviation Key:
Assorted Definitions:
PRO-HORMONE( PH )
PENETRATION ENHANCER( PE )
STRATUN CORNEUM_TOP LAYER OF SKIN( SC )

Ingredients:
ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL( ISO )
ISOPROPYL MYRISTRATE( IPM )
ISOPROPYL PALMITATE( IPP )
OLEIC ACID( OA )
PROPYLENE GLYCOL( PG )

Recipe (credited to curt2go):

40% ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL
15% ISOPROPYL MYRISTRATE
15% ISOPROPYL PALMITATE
10% OLEIC ACID
10% PROPYLENE GLYCOL
10% DMSO

THE FOLLOWING IS FOR A 240Ml SOLUTION, AS AN EXAMPLE!
40% ISO is 96ml

15% IPP is 36ml

15% IPM is 36ml

10% OA is 24ml

10% PG is 24ml

10% DMSO is 24ml

Mixing Your Carrier:
The 15% IPM and 15% IPP can be combined and just use 30% IPM...

ISO is used as a solvent. It will help disolve the ph into the solution. It also has some penetration properties.

IPP is used to lubricate the skin it softens it up so the skin can be penetrated easily by the ph(dries quicker and is not as oily feeling as the IPM).

IPM is used for the same reason as the IPP.

OA this is a powerful penetration enhancer. It works with the lipids in the skin to let the ph go through.

PG this stuff is oily. What it does is keeps the moisture from leaving the skin. The more moisture the easier it is for ther ph to penetrate. NO you can't just use water....

DMSO man i love this stuff. It is the most powerful penetration enhancer that is out there that is safe. This addition puts us over the top. This is a must in the solution. If you have sensitive skin this may irritate it but don't you want ot get bi. If it irritates too much go to 5% and add 5% to ISO.

If you don't like the smell of it then you could substitue 1-2% d-limenene for 1-2% of PG. BUT I like to just put in 2ml of scented oil. Go with the oil. Don't screw with the recipe......!!!!!!!!!



Special "thank you" goes to curt2go and chemo for the recipe, but as I said - just go out and buy a carrier, its so much easier.

wedgylx
June 11th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Took me a while to do, I figured I'd give it its own thread for "search" value, rather than just being a post in a random thread hidden.

Hope this helps, VooDoo

Voodoo
June 12th, 2007, 03:04 PM
now to go hunting down molecular weights of products...;)

whiteshadow
June 12th, 2007, 07:38 PM
https://www.researchlabsupply.com/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=24


yay!


hopefully not illegal to do

wedgylx
June 12th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Its not illegal - well i guess it depends what you're adding to it

dinoiii
June 13th, 2007, 05:24 PM
"illegal" maybe not by law, but what the heck happened to that outside link rule...heck, if people have posted links to articles they have gotten pulled. confused on my end, perhaps there is justification for the forum rather than selection bias?

D_

wedgylx
June 13th, 2007, 05:32 PM
"illegal" maybe not by law, but what the heck happened to that outside link rule...heck, if people have posted links to articles they have gotten pulled. confused on my end, perhaps there is justification for the forum rather than selection bias?

D_

I'm usually not a stickler for these things so long as its not:
A) spamming
B) links to a competitor

Until DA notifies me otherwise, this is the way I've personally been conducting links...

dinoiii
June 13th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the clarification; that was my initial assumption and I think you and are like two of the original DA crew (a dying breed; anyone heard from max von, ghostweel, et al?).

Now - please to all mods, don't remove outside links to articles alone. That is the only thing I have ever had a gripe with - very qualified article links have been stripped from the forum in the past and I would hope this wouldn't continue.


D_

egodog48
June 14th, 2007, 03:12 AM
Thanks for the clarification; that was my initial assumption and I think you and are like two of the original DA crew (a dying breed; anyone heard from max von, ghostweel, et al?).

Now - please to all mods, don't remove outside links to articles alone. That is the only thing I have ever had a gripe with - very qualified article links have been stripped from the forum in the past and I would hope this wouldn't continue.


D_

I wouldnt see why they would be pulled. I obviously do not run the show here, but I dont feel that outside links, outsde of the realm of what wedlyx had stated, would hurt DA. And many times could offer greater clarification, blah blah blah. Just showing my support here is all.

RisingAgainst
June 14th, 2007, 03:54 PM
Nice post Wedge. I don't think dermals are anything I will ever try. ;)

wedgylx
June 14th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Nice post Wedge. I don't think dermals are anything I will ever try. ;)

I used 1T and4AD in my first cycle transdermal. I HIGHLY preferred it over oral

RisingAgainst
June 15th, 2007, 08:12 AM
I used 1T and4AD in my first cycle transdermal. I HIGHLY preferred it over oral
If you arent comfy saying why publicly, wanna PM me why? lol

wedgylx
June 15th, 2007, 10:23 AM
If you arent comfy saying why publicly, wanna PM me why? lol

I'll tell you here.

Although theres more to application than simply swallowing pills, it has many benefits.

Put it this way, look up reviews of old S1+ and compare that to oral 1t/4AD cycles, its like apples and oranges.

Plus, instead of taking grams and grams of say, 4AD (which would be MANY pills and more dsage than generally was suggested by manufacturers which means more bottles, more money), you'd onlly need to take 200-400mg of 4AD per day. Obviously this means WAY cheaper. So imagine the cost of getting certain raws (1t/4AD etc) now, you see this would be the way to go.

Also, doing some research would allow for you to make your own Lipoderm Y or Ultra.

RisingAgainst
June 15th, 2007, 11:41 PM
You may have sparked enough interest for me to at least research it extensively... ;)

MUbodbuilder
June 16th, 2007, 06:49 AM
hmm im interested in this too. if its this good compared to oral. im still kinda lost, arnt bulk steroidal powders illegal? or are you talking about adding something like superdrol to it? and what kinds of qualities did this have over oral...toxicity?

wedgylx
June 16th, 2007, 10:54 AM
hmm im interested in this too. if its this good compared to oral. im still kinda lost, arnt bulk steroidal powders illegal? or are you talking about adding something like superdrol to it? and what kinds of qualities did this have over oral...toxicity?

I think superdrol is too large molecularly to use in a transdermal.

This had a much wider spectrum of application a few years ago....

I know bold can be used in transdermal - but you'd need to find a source of pure powder. I know winny can be used, raspberry ketones, yohimbe, caffiene, aakg, capsaicin (burns), clen, and many other things...

wedgylx
June 27th, 2007, 10:30 AM
Application of the Finished Product, and Increasing The Efficiency:
-The thinner the skin, the better. Good areas include:
Inner forearms
Inner thighs
upper traps
hip flexor region
Upper chest
-Shave the area free from hair.
-Rub hard, both vigorously and firmly.
-Shower before the application. Try not to use perfumed body washes or any lotions on the area of application. Plain old soap is ideal. Dry the area very well before application.
-Use gloves (powderless). Most actives will burn the hell out of your eyes, lips, and testicles, and since this is alcohol based it is VERY hard to wash off. It can last on your fingers for hours.
-NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE USED TRANSDERMALLY. This depends on molecular weight.




Special "thank you" goes to curt2go and chemo for the recipe

Guess you missed this part Bnat ;)