ULTIMATE CAFFEINE-FREE PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT: Yellow nEuphoria and Cordygen5

[Aeternitatis]

"Get ready to elevate to a whole new level...."

MILLENNIUM SPORT Technologies
and
CONTROLLED LABS

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Age: 22

Sex: male

Height: 5'9

Weight: ~165-170 (I don't own a scale right now)

Body Fat: ~10%

Bodytype: Meso

Training experience:
Let's see... worked as a personal trainer for over 2 years. I've had 6 years of training experience covering almost all of the well known training methods. I was ISSA certified until I said **** it and let it expire. My training ranges from strength-power, martial arts, speed, endurance, flexibilty... just about everything other than pure sze building.

Current Training Schedule / Protocol:
In terms of weightlifting, I will probably go with a Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri routine of split upper/lower. I haven't yet decided exactly how it will look, that will be posted in just a bit with a more detailed outline of my diet. I expect my training to be significantly unplanned though. Because of the nature of performance enhancement, I will be listening to my body and acting in accordance to its whims.

Cardio Schedule/Protocol:
We're looking at about 10 hours of in-class martial arts per week plus an added 5 hours (or more) of extra practice. I go running every morning shooting for 3 miles as quickly as possible. Now that the weather is getting nicer, I'll be adding in my mountain bike, so expect biathlon style training to ensue. I also like to chop a lot of wood and might also get into some other wierd shit like stone throwing and hole digging. Remember that seen in Braveheart? We'll see...

Current supplements:
NOW Foods WPI
Carlson Salmon Oil (http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_detail.phtml?prodid=00199&categid=0014)
NOW Foods Plant Enzymes
SAN Infusion (http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/SA27)
NOW Foods Celadrin (http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/NF-115)
Living Harvest Organic Hemp Protein (http://www.worldpantry.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ExecMacro/livingharvest/home.d2w/report)
Xtreme Formulations ICE (wildberry lemonade) (http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/XF01)
Bulk Raspberry Ketones (http://www.helplosefat.com/2006/06/16/raspberry-ketones/)

(See how I keep it basic? Nothing in there to confound the results from the nEuphoria/Carnage stack. That's right, I'm not even using creatine.)

Current Diet and macros:
My diet will shock you!

I eat a custom trail mix several times per day consisting of OG raw walnuts, almonds, pumpkin seeds, dates, coconut, dark chocolate cips, brazil nuts,
I eat a MASSIVE amount of locally grown carrots, celery, and cucumber (current vegetable intake is subject to change. Right now I just really like those three.)
I use a lot of bananas and use frozen berries in protein shakes with raw eggs. Looking to add adzuki/mung beans with wild rice if there is a need for more carbs. If I really need more energy at any given time, I eat a handful of dried coconut.
I eat extra rare steak when it's available. I also very much into sashimi.

Estimated caloric intake:
1800-2300 per day. I'm still in the process of designing my new diet, that is why I don't have a detailed breakdown of each meal. I plan to be quasi-cutting during this log.

Current Daily water intake:
Generally 100oz to 125oz depending on how hot it is. As it warms up I drink more. I try to drink only distilled, reverse osmosis, or spring water.

Short Term Goal:
Significantly enhanced endurance and speed/dexterity. Complete front splits on both sides within the next 6 weeks. Complete side splits within the next 8 weeks.

Long Term Goal:
Defeat Sho-nuff and posses the power of the glow. Also, develop serious power in various olympic lifts and ballistic training.

ANY and ALL Prescription / Non-Prescription / Recreational drugs:
Nitroglycerin for teh pumpz! :p

Notes:
I will officially start this log on the coming Monday. I decided to wait in order to allow for stimulant withdrawl (I'm a straight junkie). Obviously, it wouldn't be fair if I just suddenly came off a stim and started this non-stim energy/endurance log.


Disclaimer: I have read the terms above completely. I agree to them 100%. I do NOT have a medical condition. I do NOT feel that I MAY have a medical condition. I do not have symptoms of ANY medical condition. I will be able to start my log / review the week of April 9, 2007 and I will include at least 30 ULTIMATE CAFFEINE-FREE PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT WORKOUT updates in detail, and a final review of the products in the product review section.

I also volunteer to post my ULTIMATE CAFFEINE-FREE PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT log / journal at: AM, IM, FG, DA, BOS

Workout Schedule:
I like to focus on compound lifts with heavy weight but will probably be branching out into higher rep work. I plan to get a lot of ballistic/speed training done, not all of necessarily within the confines of a 60 minutes workout. I expect my workouts to change up often since I usually work on what seems to need it most. But I usually stay within a template which will look like:

Monday/Thursday: Upper Body
Pullups
Flat Bench Press
Bent over Row
Shoulder Press
Dips

Tuesday/Friday: Lower Body
Squat
Deadlift
Split Squat
1-leg calf raise



Ballistic Movements:
These I may perform within a workout session or give them their own time. They typically include:
--Kettlebell swings
--Kettlebell jerks
--Sledge Hammer
--Bar Jumps (side to side, front to back)
--Frog leaps (stressing height or distance)
--Pushups with clap

Cardio:
I almost always go for a run first thing in the morning. If not that, then I jump rope and do mountain climbers and burpees. I think Wushu can easily be considered cardio too, so add about 1 hour of that to every day. I also go biking quite a bit, and was mentioned before I intend to do biathlon training (biking/running). Like my other workouts, my cardio isn’t set in stone either. But don’t worry, I will be diligent with updates and include many details (such as the size, shape, and odor of my doo doo).

:D:p

[Aeternitatis]

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Day 1
***remind me never to try to lift weights with depleted glycogen levels

Music: Jane’s Addiction: Nothing’s Shocking

Warmup: pushups / dips / band rows / jumping jacks

Flat Bench Press: 15 @ 145 / 8 @ 205 / 5 @ 215 / 15 @ 155

Bent-over Barbell Row: 10 @ 165 / 8 @ 175

1-Arm DB Row: 12 @ 46ea. / 10 @ 55ea.
(superset with)
100° DB Press: 10 @ 46ea. / 10 @ 46ea.

DB Pullover: 6 @ 46ea. / 6 @ 46ea.

Dips: 10 @ +15 / 10 @ +15
(superset with)
DB Shrugs: 15 @ 55ea. / 15 @ 55ea.

Pullups (bodyweight): 15 / 12 / 10 / 8 (30 sec. rests)

NOTES:
I felt VERY weak during this workout. A combination of a rough weekend plus no carbs in my system, I think. The morning cardio I did probably burned off what was left of my glycogen reserves (and I followed that up with some Infusion which isn't really going to replenish them). So, I went quite a bit easier on myself. If I get a nap in or my energy returns, I’ll probably have a second workout this evening.

Nothing to say from the supps yet although my dose of YN may have had some effect… not gonna comment yet though. Give it some time as these are the types of supps that get much better with continued usage.

The hypoglycemia took me out this time. I almost passed out a few times. When I finished up, I just laid down for about 20 minutes in a semi-napping state. Afterwards, I went and had some 9-grain bread with pesto sauce. I still feel very lightheaded though.

Overall I was disappointed with this workout and it was completely my fault. Hopefully I’ve learned my lesson… again. :p

EDIT, ULTRA-MEGA:
Okay, so a little rest and I was back on my game. Decided to do a little more work.

One Giant Set:

Rest-pause wide-grip pullup: 6 sets of 5 reps with 15 sec. rests
DB row: 8 reps @ 65lbs ea.
DB bicep curl: 2 sets, 6 reps @ 35 lbs. ea. alternating arms
Close-grip bench: 12 reps @ 175 lbs.
Overhead Triceps ext.: 65 lbs.
(paused for an intense triceps cramp)
DB Hammer curls: 6 reps @ 35 lbs. ea.
Underhand Pullups: 8 reps
Low band curls: 10 reps ea.
Pushups: 12 reps

...and I'm spent!

[Aeternitatis]

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Day 3, Wednesday

Music: NIN, Year Zero

(not counting warm-ups)

Squat: 20 @ 145 / 15 @ 180 / 12 @ 205 / 8 @ 255 / 5 @ 290 / 3 @ 315

Dead Lift: 10 @ 210 / 5 @ 255 / 5 @ 275 / 3 @ 300 / 3 @ 320

DB Split Squat: 12 @ 110 / 12 @ 110 / 12 @ 110 (no rest between sets)

1-Leg Calf Raise (on ledge, no rest): 30 reps / 25 reps / 20 reps / 18 reps / 15 reps / 12 reps / 10 reps / 8 reps

Traveling Lunge: 50 reps ea. / 50 reps ea.


NOTES:
A great workout… felt strong and pumped. Got a serious burn going on. I can’t say the supps are really kicking in yet, although I definitely notice an improvement in focus after taking YN. I expect to fully feel the Cordygen by next week. The YN should also be more noticeable as the rhodiola and bacopa go to work. These types of supps get better over time. And being free from stims for this long has shown me the wondrous world of a non-junkie. I just may never go back to stims again... :D

[RisingAgainst]

Dude, you have no idea how sold I am. I love the idea of caffeine free... always have. Don't get me wrong, when I cut, I use tons and tons of it, but I like this... a lot!

[egodog48]

Lets see what you can do without the caffeine, Aeter!!

[Aeternitatis]

I'm really happy to be off stims right now. I forgot how good it feels. Once you get through the first week or so, things are just better. :)

[Aeternitatis]

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RECAP: Day 5 through Day 7

Music: Led Zeppelin, Physical Graffiti / Avenged Sevenfold, Waking the Fallen / Disturbed, Believe / NIN, Year Zero

Friday. April 20: Day 5
Early Morning Run: 20 min.


Warmup: pushups / dips / band rows / jumping jacks

Flat Bench Press: 15 @ 145 / 8 @ 205 / 5 @ 220 / 15 @ 155

Bent-over Barbell Row: 10 @ 165 / 8 @ 180

1-Arm DB Row: 12 @ 50ea. / 10 @ 55ea.
(superset with)
100° DB Press: 10 @ 50ea. / 10 @ 50ea.

DB Pullover: 6 @ 50ea. / 6 @ 50ea.

Dips: 10 @ +15 / 10 @ +15
(superset with)
DB Shrugs: 15 @ 55ea. / 15 @ 55ea.

Pullups (bodyweight): 15 / 12 / 10 / 8 (30 sec. rests)


Saturday, April 21: Day 6

Early Morning Run: 20 minutes
(followed by)
Rope Skipping: 4 sets of 3 min.


10 lb Sledge Hammer: 5 min. / 5 min. / 5 min. / 5 min. (2 min. between sets)

Ballistic Training:
--Mt. Climbers 30 reps ea. / Burpees 30 reps / Mt. Climbers 30 reps ea. / Burpees 30 reps / Frog Leaps 15 reps / Explosive Pushup 15 reps / Frog Leaps 15 reps/ Explosive Pushup 15 reps

Stretching: 45 min.

Sunday, April 22: Day 7


15 Mile Bike Ride



Comments:
Saturday I REALLY felt the endurance and faster recovery between sets kick in. It’s extremely noticeable. It’s like I just have this great energy in everything I’m doing, especially when I turn up the intensity and do sprints or what have you. I am looking forward to the next 3 weeks greatly. I really can’t express the good energy I’m feeling from this, it’s one of those things that any serious athlete will definitely notice though. I’m excited! :D:D

[Aeternitatis]

I have an official update coming up soon, but before that I just want to make mention of SERIOUS F'ing pumps! Keep in mind that I'm not using ANY creatine or NO prods... these pumps though are insane! Blood flow/vascularity is way up and muscle fullness is making me feel very stable. Makes sense when you consider how cordyceps is supposed to work, "oxygenating" muscle and enhancing the ATP/CP syctem among other things.

I love this shit!

[Aeternitatis]

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April 23:

(not counting warm-ups)

Squat: 20 @ 145 / 15 @ 180 / 12 @ 205 / 8 @ 255 / 5 @ 290 / 3 @ 315
Dead Lift: 10 @ 210 / 5 @ 255 / 5 @ 275 / 3 @ 300 / 3 @ 320
DB Split Squat: 12 @ 110 / 12 @ 110 / 12 @ 110 (no rest between sets)
1-Leg Calf Raise (on ledge, no rest): 30 reps / 25 reps / 20 reps / 18 reps / 15 reps / 12 reps / 10 reps / 8 reps
Traveling Lunge: 50 reps ea. / 50 reps ea.


April 24:


Warmup: pushups / dips / band rows / jumping jacks

Flat Bench Press: 15 @ 145 / 8 @ 205 / 5 @ 220 / 15 @ 155
Bent-over Barbell Row: 10 @ 165 / 8 @ 180
1-Arm DB Row: 12 @ 50ea. / 10 @ 55ea.
(superset with)
100° DB Press: 10 @ 50ea. / 10 @ 50ea.
DB Pullover: 6 @ 50ea. / 6 @ 50ea.
Dips: 10 @ +15 / 10 @ +15
(superset with)
DB Shrugs: 15 @ 55ea. / 15 @ 55ea.
Pullups (bodyweight): 15 / 12 / 10 / 8 (30 sec. rests)




April 26:

(not counting warm-ups)

Squat: 20 @ 155 / 15 @ 190 / 12 @ 210 / 8 @ 265 / 5 @ 300 / 3 @ 315
Dead Lift: 10 @ 220 / 5 @ 265 / 5 @ 285 / 3 @ 310 / 3 @ 325
DB Split Squat: 12 @ 110 / 12 @ 125 / 12 @ 125 (no rest between sets)
1-Leg Calf Raise (on ledge, no rest): 30 reps / 25 reps / 25 reps / 20 reps / 15 reps / 15 reps / 10 reps / 10 reps
Traveling Lunge: 50 reps ea. / 50 reps ea.


April 27:


Warmup: pushups / dips / band rows / jumping jacks

Flat Bench Press: 15 @ 160 / 8 @ 210 / 5 @ 225 / 15 @ 155
Bent-over Barbell Row: 10 @ 170 / 8 @ 185
1-Arm DB Row: 12 @ 55ea. / 10 @ 60ea.
(superset with)
100° DB Press: 10 @ 55ea. / 10 @ 60ea.
DB Pullover: 6 @ 55ea. / 6 @ 55ea.
Dips: 10 @ +25 / 10 @ +25
(superset with)
DB Shrugs: 15 @ 65ea. / 15 @ 65ea.
Pullups (bodyweight): 15 / 15 / 10 / 10 (30 sec. rests)




Comments:
Weight is going up steadily, which is a good sign considering all the cardio I’ve been doing (that’ll be posted next). Again, the pumps are GREAT and recovery between sets is very fast… I’ve dropped my rest time to less than 60 seconds on most sets. Sleep is very good, mood is good, there’s a general sense of well-being. The YN is really helpful for some of these distance runs/bikes I go on. It really helps to keep me focused and provides the long term energy and mood lift that’s needed to get through it. Also, I’ve been slowly lowering carbs since the start of the log. I’m down to less than 30 grams of carbs per day and I feel great! :D I will do a carb-load in about 6 days.

[Aeternitatis]

Lets see what you can do without the caffeine, Aeter!!
Man, stims are the devil. I've been addicted to them on and off for the better part of 2 years... and I suspect a lot of people out there depend on them.

Do your body a favor and limit your stim intake. ;)

[RisingAgainst]

Mind telling me the dosage on everything man?

[pu12en12g]

Sounding good so far :cool:

[egodog48]

Do your body a favor and limit your stim intake. ;)

Or take Reset AD and start from scratch...:D ;)

[NemisisX7]

Definitely interested in this. Good luck bro. I'll be lurking.

[Aeternitatis]

Or take Reset AD and start from scratch...:D ;)
Somehow I doubt Reset is going to work that well. It's a cool concept, but nothing will "reset" anyone that quickly. It will probably help, but if in a state of adrenal fatigue, all you can really do is rest.

[Aeternitatis]

Status:
Saturday, 5/5
Early morning
One hour of sleep
Empty stomach

I was on the LifeFitness elliptical crosstrainer (the thingy with the arms and feet) for 43 minutes. Set it at level 10 with the "random" program which generates hills and valleys at, you guessd it, random intervals and random intensity. Maintained my RPM at around 55. Had one cap Cordygen5 and 3 caps Yellow nEuphoria prworkout. Loaded my discman with NIN's Year Zero. That was some SERIOUS fat burning cardio. I was sweating my ass off! It was such a great ****ing cardio session... I was high afterwards. Gotta love that. The readout said I burned ~600 calories. Perfect! Summers around the corner and I gotta get mo' ripp'd.

BTW, someone asked earlier about this:
--I take Cordygen in 3 divided doses of 1 cap each on an empty stomach.
--YN I take once per day, in the monring, also on an empty stomach.

[RisingAgainst]

Status:
Saturday, 5/5
Early morning
One hour of sleep
Empty stomach

I was on the LifeFitness elliptical crosstrainer (the thingy with the arms and feet) for 43 minutes. Set it at level 10 with the "random" program which generates hills and valleys at, you guessd it, random intervals and random intensity. Maintained my RPM at around 55. Had one cap Cordygen5 and 3 caps Yellow nEuphoria prworkout. Loaded my discman with NIN's Year Zero. That was some SERIOUS fat burning cardio. I was sweating my ass off! It was such a great ****ing cardio session... I was high afterwards. Gotta love that. The readout said I burned ~600 calories. Perfect! Summers around the corner and I gotta get mo' ripp'd.

BTW, someone asked earlier about this:
--I take Cordygen in 3 divided doses of 1 cap each on an empty stomach.
--YN I take once per day, in the monring, also on an empty stomach.
Thats awesome bro. My C5 will be here soon, I can't wait to start it up with some YN.. you had me convinced from the title.. lol!

[envythahustla]

This log does not deliver. :x

[egodog48]

This log does not deliver. :x

Agreed, and agreed

[RisingAgainst]

Agreed, and agreed
Unfortunately, I do to :( I want some UPDATES! lol Especially since I will be running this post pct...

[Aeternitatis]

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These workouts were a bit different than usual. I changed it up to work on what I wanted to improve the most. I need to focus on my shoulders and back and work on developing a powerful deadlift. I'm also heading for the high-rep pullup as that seems most useful to me from a real-world perspective. I do slightly higher rep/lower weight squats for overall leg development and just to keep it safe. I'd rather increase reps in squat than increase weight.



Upper Body, 4/30
Barbell Row: 5x5 @ 185
Barbell Shoulder Press: 5x5 @ 155
Barbell Bench press: 3x5 @ 225
Pull Ups: 5 sets to failure

Lower Body, 5/1
Barbell Squat: 5x5 @ 275
Barbell Deadlift: 3x5 @ 275
Travelling Lunge: 1x50 @ bodyweight

This one's green.

Upper Body, 5/3
Barbell Row: 5x5 @ 195
Barbell Shoulder Press: 5x5 @ 160
Pull Ups: 5 sets to failure

Lower Body, 5/4
Barbell Squat: 5x5 @ 275
Barbell Deadlift: 3x5 @ 275
Barbell Deadlift: 3x3 @ 300
Travelling Lunge: 1x50 @ bodyweight
Lateral Bar Jumps: 5 sets @ 3 min. each


Comments:
Feeling insane recovery and endurance. Well-being is up. I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. Millenium has a serious winner with Cordygen5 and nEuphoria has proven itself as a versatile supplement, something worth adding to several different kinds of stacks. I'm very happy with my progress in weights, but especially in endurance cross-training stuff. I'll have details on that in my next post.

[Aeternitatis]

This log does not deliver. :x

Oh, well I'm sorry my logs are filled with actual information and not a bunch of six-holes grabassing one another.

:D is the look of me very pissed off!

[Aeternitatis]

Did I mention yet that this stack is the shit?

Yesterday I went out for a morning run with my dog (German Shephard) through the trails in the woods. I wore the dog out. About three hours later I went for another high intensity trail run, then immediately hit the SCC gym (which happens to be nestled in the woods) fro some biceps/triceps/deltoid isolation work. I followed that up with the elliptical cross-trainer set on random at level 10 for 10 minutes. Once that was over, I ran the trails some more. All in all, that day had about 4 hours of hardcore crosstraining in it.

This shit is no joke. It will choke a bitch.

[RisingAgainst]

Did I mention yet that this stack is the shit?

Yesterday I went out for a morning run with my dog (German Shephard) through the trails in the woods. I wore the dog out. About three hours later I went for another high intensity trail run, then immediately hit the SCC gym (which happens to be nestled in the woods) fro some biceps/triceps/deltoid isolation work. I followed that up with the elliptical cross-trainer set on random at level 10 for 10 minutes. Once that was over, I ran the trails some more. All in all, that day had about 4 hours of hardcore crosstraining in it.

This shit is no joke. It will choke a bitch.

Dude, I felt the same way on C5, but NOT THAT DAMN MUCH! You're insanely in shape man, has your lifting amounts been affected in any way?

[envythahustla]

Did I mention yet that this stack is the shit?

Yesterday I went out for a morning run with my dog (German Shephard) through the trails in the woods. I wore the dog out. About three hours later I went for another high intensity trail run, then immediately hit the SCC gym (which happens to be nestled in the woods) fro some biceps/triceps/deltoid isolation work. I followed that up with the elliptical cross-trainer set on random at level 10 for 10 minutes. Once that was over, I ran the trails some more. All in all, that day had about 4 hours of hardcore crosstraining in it.

This shit is no joke. It will choke a bitch.

:confused: You have a dog? :confused:

[Aeternitatis]

Jesus, I have a lot to update!

I've sorta been mostly gone dealing with life... you know, that little thing that gets in the way of Internet. I'll have some serious updates tomorrow.

[Brent]

Jesus, I have a lot to update!

I've sorta been mostly gone dealing with life... you know, that little thing that gets in the way of Internet. I'll have some serious updates tomorrow.

Sounds exciting! :rolleyes:




:D

[Aeternitatis]

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*Note that these are simply antagonistic sets, NOT super sets.
4/30
Mass Day

-- A-1: Bottom position bench press 3x5 @ 210
-- A-2: Bent over row 3x5 @190
-- B-1: Barbell squat 3x6 @ 255
-- B-2: Stiff legged deadlift 3x6 @ 265
-- C-1: Military press 2x5 @155
-- C-2: Weighted pull-up 2x5 @45

Finisher
-- Pushups: 25 reps
-- Bodyweight squat: 50 reps

5/1
Power Day

-- A-1: Weighted dips 3x3 @ 55
-- A-2: Bent over row 3x3 @ 210
-- B-1: Barbell squat 3x3 @290
-- B-2: Stiff legged deadlift 3x3 @315
-- C-1: Military press 2x3 @165
-- C-2: Weighted pull-up 2x3 @ 60

Finisher
-- Pushups: 25 reps
-- Bodyweight squat: 50 reps

5/3
Rest-Pause Strength Day

-- Military press 6x1 @ 165
-- Weighted pull-up 6x1 @ 60
-- Stiff-legged deadlift 6x1 @ @315
-- Barbell squat 6x1 @ 290
-- Bent over row 4x1 @ 210
-- Bottom position bench press 4x1 @ 225

Finisher
-- Pushups: 25 reps
-- Bodyweight squat: 50 reps

Comments:
This week, like the last one, has been incredible. I changed my training style since this full-body stuff seems to take better advantage of the increased recovery between sets and improved endurance--aerobic and anaerobic--that is afforded through this incredible Cordygen/YN stack. :D
Every morning I still go on empty stomach runs usually preceded by a dose of YN. These runs have slightly lengthened in time by 5-10 minutes, but most importantly my distance on them has increased by about a mile and a half; I guess I?m running faster now. I haven?t done any formal martial arts training in the last few weeks since I ran out of the necessary funds (being unemployed will do that). So, I?ve just been doing solo training in my basement almost everyday which is one place the endurance becomes VERY obvious.
Other things of note: pumps are still crazy. Focus and mood is usually very good. Sleep is very deep and restorative.

[Aeternitatis]

Sounds exciting! :rolleyes:

:D
That shit ain't funny!!! :x

[bLacKjAcK]

Yeh I am loving c5 dude. Makes the hugest difference in cardio of any supp I have ever taken.