7 weeks out and in doubt

[MUbodbuilder]

i figure its time for me to post some and share my cutting experience. actually im thinking out load. im starting to doubt that i will get into the shape i want to be in by may 12th...just under 7 weeks away. my goal is not to just compete for the first time or anything like that, ITS TO PLAINLY WIN MY WEIGHT DIVISION LOL. if i am not going to get to the shape i know i need to be in then maybe i should do another contest a few weeks later? im sure you will all need some pics to fully help me out here and i will get some up asap. for some reason my weight will just not drop this time around. im at 176-need to be 154 for the show. bf is also slow to go. im starting cardio 2x a day now burning about 300-350cals in the morning and about the same in the evening. im eating around 2400cals a day low carb. any suggestions would help.

iv got 7 weeks to kick my butt. im still gona try for this show but i guess im just wondering if you all think? it wouldnt hurt to shoot for a later date. pics to come...

[B-natural]

what was your cardio regimen prior to this cut? overdoing cardio now is a no-no, whats your diet and macro's consist of? what supplements are you using?

[MUbodbuilder]

my body has a high tolerance for cardio. this past offseason i had a fairly high activity rate and i started this cut with walking at 4mph for 30min 3-4xweek. i worked my way up to where i am. i dont realy feel that im over doing cardio but i guess it is a possibility.

dinoiii suggested awial back i use thyrocuts II which i have now been using for a few weeks. nuthing else other than whey, vit, and such.

im a firm believer that the diet is where things get done so i tend to lean to my problem being in my diet. im currently getting about 250-260g protein, 40-100g carbs, and aiming for 100-120g fat. lately i have been bogged down with college stuff and have not been following a religious diet with calculated same day of the week high calorie days. im sure this is hurting me. i just done have the time to deal with it as i would like. i just make sure i get around my macro needs from chicken, beef, ham, eggs, egg whites, PB, almonds, veggies, oatmeal. i have a food scale for OZ. so i need to program out a diet and specifically stick to it. if anyone would like to formulate one and post it id be happy to see some more examples. dinoiii, i know you have done a lot with the carb research so if you got time to chime in that would be awsome. help me figure out how often i should have a carb load day and such.

[MUbodbuilder]

here are some pics. ya i know the lighting is realy bad. im gona try and get some gym shots in which i look my best.

[B-natural]

damn bro, yer lean, I got a pic of me from week 6, when I was 7 weeks out, I have my abs flexed, yours is in traditional vacuum so they will look diff. but you are on track.

don't let school get u bogged down, I'm goin through it too bro, its good to have a supporting cast. although i b*tch about my gf sometimes, she has gotten me through the toughest times, where I've damn near broke down at quit. Havin ppl ask q's about the comp can get annoying but if they keep askin they are seein your changes and want to know how it ended up.

As far as diet, your problem is getting all your meals prepped properly? or u don't have time, I missed what you were saying.

[B-natural]

P/C/F
Meal 1 41/20/11
8 egg whites
1 Whole egg
1 Slice Fat Free Cheese
2 tbsp salsa
1/4c dry measure oats w/ cinnamon and 2 packets splenda
3 EFA

Meal 2 48/6/14
2 Scoops Whey
18 Almonds

Meal 3 44/14/14
5 oz Chicken
6 Spears Asparagus
1cup Broccoli
18 Almonds

Meal 4 43/12/11
5 oz Chicken or 1 can Albacore Tuna (-3 roughly g protein if usin tuna)
2 Cups Baby Spinach
1 Cup cucumbers, celery
Light Dressing (2tbsp) or mustard (again if usin mustard macros will differ

Meal 5 44/14/14
Same as meal 3 or 4, except if usin 4, I do use mustard and sub in some almonds

Meal 6-PWO 38/2/2
1.5 Scoops Whey
5g Glutamine
1/2hr later 3 EFA pills or handful almonds 0/0/3 or 2/2/7

Meal 7 2/2/7
Handful Almonds

That should be fairly close to what you were lookin for. I prep my meals on sundays, so go get some tupperware from wally world and get that chicken prepped

[MUbodbuilder]

b-nat the diet u just listed helped me so much. i usually prep my food on sundays as well but the last few weeks its been moved around for various reasons of time. i realy appreciate ur time even with your contest this weekend dude!! im gona keep bustin my butt and change cardio up a little to a jog/walk variation. its like 65* outside when i wake up, how can i ignore that?

[MUbodbuilder]

update time! im leaning out and droping weight nicely. im no longer worried about making weight but my condition, well il just have to wait and see how i progress. i am seriously thinking about doing this show on june 23, npc show me naturals in St. louis, mo. this would give me 2 advantages. 1. over a month more to get into perfect condition sence i am leaning out slowly. 2. this contest has 6 weight classes meaning i can do welterweight at a nice 160. that extra weight class also means i can do a cycle of trenadrol the last few weeks to hold size and gain vascularity. i cant do that for the may 12th show tho cause i wouldnt make weight then. it seems to me to be a no-brainer but id like some input. il make a final disision proly in 2 weeks when i will better know if i can make peek by may12.

[B-natural]

you can use a supp like tren in a natty show?

well dependent upon how you look in the mirror. Screw the scale, if you and others that are constantly around u can see changes weekly, then you are good, the weight will come off with ease. you stress, you increase cardio, and overdo things, calm down, take things one step at a time, go for strides, not leaps, 2 a day cardio at this point or ever is crazy to me. unless u are an endomorph, then there is no reason for that much. kick up the cardio, be sure u aren't cheatin yourself on your weekend carb loads (are you doing these?) that was one big tip from guys, the older vets backstage, f*** the scale, they said they would bulk up tryin to get bigger then the year before and still come down to the same weight, tryin to hit a weight loss each week and not gettin it would make them overtrain and undereat, the more stress they'd put on their body the more it would be resistant to change. However when they checked the scale every now and then, let the mirror talk, and be sure that when it came to food, if they had a carb load, they did it reasonably, if they had a cheat meal, one cheat meal wasn't gonna make you fat, with the reasoning that it was one meal out of the 50 some meals they had for the week, and it was a reasonable portion to satisfy a craving. Do not kill yourself, I am sure you are leaning out well, strides not leaps man, take it easy, it's your time to shine.

[rynobull]

update time! im leaning out and droping weight nicely. im no longer worried about making weight but my condition, well il just have to wait and see how i progress. i am seriously thinking about doing this show on june 23, npc show me naturals in St. louis, mo. this would give me 2 advantages. 1. over a month more to get into perfect condition sence i am leaning out slowly. 2. this contest has 6 weight classes meaning i can do welterweight at a nice 160. that extra weight class also means i can do a cycle of trenadrol the last few weeks to hold size and gain vascularity. i cant do that for the may 12th show tho cause i wouldnt make weight then. it seems to me to be a no-brainer but id like some input. il make a final disision proly in 2 weeks when i will better know if i can make peek by may12.

Use trenadrol for a natty show? Also I think that going for the later show is a good call. To make the other show in time you would have had to drop 4 pounds a week....talk about muscle loss.

I don't want to mess with your diet much but for things that are quick to make, egg whites and some frozen veggies. Also no salt added canned green beans are a life saver, dirt cheap and easy to eat. Like all others...cook a sh!t ton of chicken on sunday and eat it for the next few days as well. Canned tuna works too, just cut out before the last week from the sodium content.

[MUbodbuilder]

yes trenadrol for a natty show. unless im doing a WNBF pro show im fine. they only test for illegal steroids, GH, Insulin, and perscription diuretics. trenadrol is perfectly fine. my weight right now is 175ish. im not trying to push myself to hard so dont worry to much :) i just want to make sure i get into the best shape i can be in. and i think i need more time to do that. i mean i dont think iv lost but maybe 3lb of muscle in this whole 3month cut so far. i can still squat and DL over 315 so longer dieting wont make me waste away.

and ryno, im one step ahead of ya with the diet suggestions ;) in 2 weeks il have some good photos up from my AX contest. which im gona win...hehehe!

[dalvare1]

mmm i think you might want to reconsider taking tren before a natural show. They test for TEST! not only compounds themselves. If you are running at high levels that is a red flag for them. I wouldnt take the chance personally.

[njmuscle66]

update time! im leaning out and droping weight nicely. im no longer worried about making weight but my condition, well il just have to wait and see how i progress. i am seriously thinking about doing this show on june 23, npc show me naturals in St. louis, mo. this would give me 2 advantages. 1. over a month more to get into perfect condition sence i am leaning out slowly. 2. this contest has 6 weight classes meaning i can do welterweight at a nice 160. that extra weight class also means i can do a cycle of trenadrol the last few weeks to hold size and gain vascularity. i cant do that for the may 12th show tho cause i wouldnt make weight then. it seems to me to be a no-brainer but id like some input. il make a final disision proly in 2 weeks when i will better know if i can make peek by may12.

IF it is an NPC show they typically only use a lie detector so is it the right thing to do (run trenadrol), not really, but based on my experience I have known a number of enhanced bodybuilders compete in tested shows. In some other natural organizations that product would be specifically on the ban list

[MUbodbuilder]

ya they usually chose 5 people randomly to take a polygraph. and the over all open winner takes it too. NJ, i agree, there are also many other guys at these tested shows that had to have been on something in the past if not current. i think running a legal cycle of ph is gona be alright

[B-natural]

either way best of luck man, but at 7 weeks out, or whatever it is now may not bode well as your test levels are being suppressed, and your hormones are probably already getting "out of whack" and adding in a toxin may just cause problems at this point. I woulda started tren and winz at week 1 and then after 4-6weeks went "clean" for the remainder with the proper pct of course and the cortisol blockers and anti-e's would help quite a bit at this point as cortisol will begin to rise at the end of your cut.

[njmuscle66]

ya they usually chose 5 people randomly to take a polygraph. and the over all open winner takes it too. NJ, i agree, there are also many other guys at these tested shows that had to have been on something in the past if not current. i think running a legal cycle of ph is gona be alright


the npc natural shows i have been in tested EVERYONE. The drug free period is one year so people can use in the past. that is within the rules. Isn't trenadrol similar to trenbelone? I wouldnt consider it a ph. superdrol is available but you would have to agree that it is a steroid, no?

not to get on my soap box but I have done my share of tested shows and always played within the rules

[MUbodbuilder]

ya i do agree these "ph's" are oral steroids. im sure the rules of testing are diff for every state. at all 4 shows iv done, npc, they just test 5 people. you guys all seem to be against it tho...its making me rethink things. and also b-nat, im adding anothers months time to the dieting i think im gona do the june 23 show.

[njmuscle66]

ya i do agree these "ph's" are oral steroids. im sure the rules of testing are diff for every state. at all 4 shows iv done, npc, they just test 5 people. you guys all seem to be against it tho...its making me rethink things. and also b-nat, im adding anothers months time to the dieting i think im gona do the june 23 show.


It is not really a question of being for or against. It is a natural show therefore to publicly come out an say I am going to use an oral steroid to increase my chance of doing well since they only test like five guys, can't see people rallying around to support that concept

[B-natural]

either way man, good luck, i hope u feel on track for the 23rd, jus remember when the show rolls around thats a lil earlier, you could always enter, as kind of a "test run" jus a thought, but seriously be careful with the tren, don't wanna see you get turned away because of this. however i have heard of several ppl takin things like phera-plex, m1t (rare case, still cleared), t-bomb (original version), and a few others in the natty show and have cleared, so its all up in the air, you just don;t wanna be in that category of "1 in a million"

[MUbodbuilder]

ya last year i did a show along the way of aimin for another. it worked out well but i ended up doing one to many and lost a lot of muscle toward the end. i am leaning out very nicely even though i cut cardio back to just walking for 50min in the morning and every other evening. that is my main reason for considering the tren. im afraid im gona peak around the end of may and then lose muscle by june 23.

[B-natural]

well, jus be careful man, and doin 2 a day cardio even if its only a few days a week is crazy. an hr max is the most u should EVER have to do IMO, and I'd break that up, the most I did was 45min, and that was in my 2nd to last and then in my final week, and I did all 45 in the morning, i broke it up into 30day/15night, 2 or 3 times though during this period