Adipo-X

[dewster]

I think Axis Labs ROCKS!!!. I use the smash and because of my age (39), I am going to start hypertest. Besides protein, I only use Axis Labs products. I am excited about the prospect of this new Fatloss product. I am curious whats going to be in it. Stim or Stim-free and when is going to be available?????????????

[bLacKjAcK]

The time it going to be available is still in question. Won't be too long though. It will be out in plenty of time so you can cut for summer I can assure you. You are going to love it man, we can't release too much info yet, all I can say right now is what is in my sig.

As far as the HyperTEST --- You will see great results especially at your age. Can't wait to hear your feedback man.

Btw, you have won my heart. ;) (No homo)

[Clickster]

I think Axis Labs ROCKS!!!. I use the smash and because of my age (39), I am going to start hypertest. Besides protein, I only use Axis Labs products. I am excited about the prospect of this new Fatloss product. I am curious whats going to be in it. Stim or Stim-free and when is going to be available?????????????

It won't be too long before we are your protein source aswell. We already have a protein out, but it is currently only with distributors overseas.
Here is the writeup on it. Axis Labs Clutch (http://www.axislabs.net/p-CLU01.htm)

The new fat burner Adipo-X should be available Mid April. This is a product we at Axis are VERY excited to get out.

Thanks for your interest and your commitment to Axis Labs, it is much appreciated.

[dinoiii]

...It will be out in plenty of time so you can cut for summer I can assure you...

Not really, you need his orignial body comp stats to "assure" and even then it gets tricky.

But, I can appreciate you guys having serious desire to get the product out. Sometimes it is better to leave out the hype to a fat burner though because people will attempt to call your bluff if they don't follow and exercise and expected to get zee miracle pill. ;)

D_

[dinoiii]

It won't be too long before we are your protein source aswell. We already have a protein out, but it is currently only with distributors overseas.
Here is the writeup on it. Axis Labs Clutch (http://www.axislabs.net/p-CLU01.htm)

The new fat burner Adipo-X should be available Mid April. This is a product we at Axis are VERY excited to get out.

Thanks for your interest and your commitment to Axis Labs, it is much appreciated.

Interesting. dinoiii likes the name. :D

Have you guys tasted it yet?

D_

[bLacKjAcK]

Not really, you need his orignial body comp stats to "assure" and even then it gets tricky.

But, I can appreciate you guys having serious desire to get the product out. Sometimes it is better to leave out the hype to a fat burner though because people will attempt to call your bluff if they don't follow and exercise and expected to get zee miracle pill. ;)

D_

ok maybe not before summer begins, but how about this, before it gets good and started. We are working as hard as we can to get it out ASAP!

[B-natural]

samples of this sound phenomenal :D

[RisingAgainst]

samples of this sound phenomenal :D
LOL ya that's exactly what I said B... Adipo-x might be one helluva good supp... *hmmm with a chin rub*

[dewster]

Dinoii,

My body composition is FAT!!!!!!!!. I'm 5'9", 39 year old male, 250lbs at 26% bodyfat. Any suggestions on supplementation? I use smash pre workout and going to start hypertest due to my age. Any other supplementation ideas? Below is a sample diet that the fine reps from Axis recommended. I have lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. I do weights 3 days a week and cardio 4.


Right when you wake up: 40g Whey shake
Breakfast: 4 eggs(No Yokes), and 2 slices of whole wheat toast/Whole grain Oatmeal.
Mid Morning Snack: 40g Whey Shake
Lunch: 40g Protein (Turkey Sandwhich w/ xtra 100% lean turkey...NO MAYO), The bread will make up for your carbs. And some veggies if possible (carrots/broccoli/Romaine Salad)
Mid Afternoon Snack: 40g Protein Shake, Peanuts.
Supper: 40g Protein, fiborous Veggies. Again the protein could come from any of the meats I listed.
Pre Bed: Load up on Fat-Free Cottage Cheese ( you will learn to love it ) - reason being is this is a casein protein which digests really slow to keep your body anabolic (building muscle) for most of the night.

[RisingAgainst]

Dinoii,

My body composition is FAT!!!!!!!!. I'm 5'9", 39 year old male, 250lbs at 26% bodyfat. Any suggestions on supplementation? I use smash pre workout and going to start hypertest due to my age. Any other supplementation ideas? Below is a sample diet that the fine reps from Axis recommended. I have lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. I do weights 3 days a week and cardio 4.


Right when you wake up: 40g Whey shake
Breakfast: 4 eggs(No Yokes), and 2 slices of whole wheat toast/Whole grain Oatmeal.
Mid Morning Snack: 40g Whey Shake
Lunch: 40g Protein (Turkey Sandwhich w/ xtra 100% lean turkey...NO MAYO), The bread will make up for your carbs. And some veggies if possible (carrots/broccoli/Romaine Salad)
Mid Afternoon Snack: 40g Protein Shake, Peanuts.
Supper: 40g Protein, fiborous Veggies. Again the protein could come from any of the meats I listed.
Pre Bed: Load up on Fat-Free Cottage Cheese ( you will learn to love it ) - reason being is this is a casein protein which digests really slow to keep your body anabolic (building muscle) for most of the night.
In the mean time, you could always run my stack if you feel lucky that you would survive it! lol (I am not sensitive to stims in any way though) so let me know and I will shoot ya a PM outlining it.

[B-natural]

Dinoii,

My body composition is FAT!!!!!!!!. I'm 5'9", 39 year old male, 250lbs at 26% bodyfat. Any suggestions on supplementation? I use smash pre workout and going to start hypertest due to my age. Any other supplementation ideas? Below is a sample diet that the fine reps from Axis recommended. I have lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. I do weights 3 days a week and cardio 4.


Right when you wake up: 40g Whey shake
Breakfast: 4 eggs(No Yokes), and 2 slices of whole wheat toast/Whole grain Oatmeal.
Mid Morning Snack: 40g Whey Shake
Lunch: 40g Protein (Turkey Sandwhich w/ xtra 100% lean turkey...NO MAYO), The bread will make up for your carbs. And some veggies if possible (carrots/broccoli/Romaine Salad)
Mid Afternoon Snack: 40g Protein Shake, Peanuts.
Supper: 40g Protein, fiborous Veggies. Again the protein could come from any of the meats I listed.
Pre Bed: Load up on Fat-Free Cottage Cheese ( you will learn to love it ) - reason being is this is a casein protein which digests really slow to keep your body anabolic (building muscle) for most of the night.


not the best way to get ahold of dinoiii or to get any response to your needs, post a different thread topic with the proper title so ppl can help address your issue, put a dinoiii at the end and you will be golden

[RisingAgainst]

not the best way to get ahold of dinoiii or to get any response to your needs, post a different thread topic with the proper title so ppl can help address your issue, put a dinoiii at the end and you will be golden
I think he was just responding to D's question bro.

[dinoiii]

ok maybe not before summer begins, but how about this, before it gets good and started. We are working as hard as we can to get it out ASAP!

Ahhhh man, you know I was just funnin' with ya.

;)


D_

[B-natural]

Dinoii,

My body composition is FAT!!!!!!!!. I'm 5'9", 39 year old male, 250lbs at 26% bodyfat. Any suggestions on supplementation? I use smash pre workout and going to start hypertest due to my age. Any other supplementation ideas? Below is a sample diet that the fine reps from Axis recommended. I have lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. I do weights 3 days a week and cardio 4.


Right when you wake up: 40g Whey shake
Breakfast: 4 eggs(No Yokes), and 2 slices of whole wheat toast/Whole grain Oatmeal.
Mid Morning Snack: 40g Whey Shake
Lunch: 40g Protein (Turkey Sandwhich w/ xtra 100% lean turkey...NO MAYO), The bread will make up for your carbs. And some veggies if possible (carrots/broccoli/Romaine Salad)
Mid Afternoon Snack: 40g Protein Shake, Peanuts.
Supper: 40g Protein, fiborous Veggies. Again the protein could come from any of the meats I listed.
Pre Bed: Load up on Fat-Free Cottage Cheese ( you will learn to love it ) - reason being is this is a casein protein which digests really slow to keep your body anabolic (building muscle) for most of the night.


So, 39, 250lbs, 26%bf

you workout 7 times in a week, I would increase your weight workouts and maintain your cardio regimen.

whats the timing between your mornin protein shake and breakfast, cottage cheese is good, but may not be YOUR best option before bed. and you keep stating your protein amounts which is somewhat confusing, post your foods or amounts of food, i.e. 2cups veggies 5oz chicken, 2scoops whey, etc. otherwise its hard to decifer your macro's, you can give your breakdown of marco's after, be sure to make note of how they are ordered, i.e.

macro's listed as pro/carbs/fat

5oz Chicken 40/0/3
1 cup veggies 0/10/0
.


judging by your bf%, you will only need about 1g of protein/lb of bw
I would keep carbs on the lower end to help in your recomp (new word i learned from D)
and you have no healthy fats sources, BIG NO-NO, get some fish oils, almonds, avocado's, possibly a sesamin supplement, and we'll see if dinoiii feels you should incorporate CLA. Almond butter and natty peanut butter are also good, be sure the ingredients are simple, the almond butter should just be raw almonds, the peanut butter should list peanuts or peanuts and salt, nothing more.

you have 7 meals which is a good thing, helps with metabolism. however, the timing needs to be right, such as not drinkin the 40g prebrekfast shake, then 15min later havin your bfast.

-I'd add 3-4 caps EFA's to your mornin shake or 1tbsp almond or p.butter
-beef up breakfast by addin in 3 more egg whites and 1 whole egg, cut out the oatmeal and keep the 100% whole wheat bread at 2 slices (make sure its 100%whole wheat with actual whole wheat flour, none of this enriched crap.
-for meal 3 add in some efa's or almonds to this meal
- i assume the bread in meal 4 is whole wheat as well, if not add it, and be sure the veggies are lightly steamed if at all, and no dressing, it's health food, not a fatty snack
-meal 5 the shake and peanuts are good, as long as the peanuts are raw, i prefer almonds though
-meal 6, supper, looks good, again as long as the veggies and meats aren't loaded or covered with a sauce, keep it plain, light on the spices
-meal 7, i wouldn't have the cottage cheese before bed, sure its casein, but i believe the sugars in milk still spike blood sugar to a fair amount, although the casein is good for slow absorption, I'd opt to have this earlier in the day and swap it with a protein shake you had from earlier along with a few efa pills rather than almonds or p.butter

[dinoiii]

Dinoii,

My body composition is FAT!!!!!!!!. I'm 5'9", 39 year old male, 250lbs at 26% bodyfat. Any suggestions on supplementation? I use smash pre workout and going to start hypertest due to my age. Any other supplementation ideas? Below is a sample diet that the fine reps from Axis recommended. I have lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. I do weights 3 days a week and cardio 4.


Right when you wake up: 40g Whey shake
Breakfast: 4 eggs(No Yokes), and 2 slices of whole wheat toast/Whole grain Oatmeal.
Mid Morning Snack: 40g Whey Shake
Lunch: 40g Protein (Turkey Sandwhich w/ xtra 100% lean turkey...NO MAYO), The bread will make up for your carbs. And some veggies if possible (carrots/broccoli/Romaine Salad)
Mid Afternoon Snack: 40g Protein Shake, Peanuts.
Supper: 40g Protein, fiborous Veggies. Again the protein could come from any of the meats I listed.
Pre Bed: Load up on Fat-Free Cottage Cheese ( you will learn to love it ) - reason being is this is a casein protein which digests really slow to keep your body anabolic (building muscle) for most of the night.

Well, I am anti-much of current suggested myth.

Diet First...when you adjust, we will talk supplements.

Your diet (while this may sound awkward) is:

[1] Too LOW in fat. 30-40% minimum for proper androgenic precursor development.

[2] "loading" on fat-free cottage cheese is not always the best bet per se, because to replace those fat calories, they pump up the carbs. Considering your goals this would be significant mismatch. Casein coagulates in the stomach...there is no true suggestion this will keep you anabolic outside of marketing, could be a reason casein blends still pale in comparison to whey...but a mixture of the two protein types is likely superior for MANY reasons beyond the scope of this post.

[3] Peanuts ... nahhhh not bad - just not ideal. This order makes other nuts seem well just plain nuts: 1. walnuts, 2. pecans, 3. almonds (for different reasons). Limit nut consumption on a fat loss program to these and your body comp WILL CHANGE PRECIPITOUSLY.

[4] Whey shake means just a plain whey shake without other macronutrients...please don't do this as gluconeogenesis will dominate and leave you wishing you hadn't.

[5] Carrots are a hard starchy veggie...I wouldn't and this is coming from the guy who created endomorphism at 349 pounds 16-ish years ago yet sits at 211 and about 9.5% BF today.

This is a start - will comment more.

D_

[B-natural]

well, you got em, dang, how many times do I have to be proven incorrect D. now you've got me on the issue of the whey shake, i assume add in some almonds or the listed nuts or efa's and u r better off? yes/no? dang it, now I got sucked in

[dinoiii]

...you workout 7 times in a week, I would increase your weight workouts...

whats the timing between your mornin protein shake and breakfast...cottage cheese is good, but may not be YOUR best option before bed...

judging by your bf%, you will only need about 1g of protein/lb of bw
I would keep carbs on the lower end to help in your recomp (new word i learned from D)...

and you have no healthy fats sources, BIG NO-NO, get some fish oils, almonds, avocado's, possibly a sesamin supplement, and we'll see if dinoiii feels you should incorporate CLA...

you have 7 meals which is a good thing, helps with metabolism. however, the timing needs to be right, such as not drinkin the 40g prebrekfast shake, then 15min later havin your bfast...

-beef up breakfast by addin in 3 more egg whites and 1 whole egg...

-for meal 3 add in some efa's or almonds to this meal...

- i assume the bread in meal 4 is whole wheat as well, if not add it, and be sure the veggies are lightly steamed if at all, and no dressing, it's health food, not a fatty snack

-meal 5 ...i prefer almonds though

-meal 6, supper, looks good, again as long as the veggies and meats aren't loaded or covered with a sauce, keep it plain, light on the spices

-meal 7, i wouldn't have the cottage cheese before bed, sure its casein, but i believe the sugars in milk still spike blood sugar to a fair amount, although the casein is good for slow absorption, I'd opt to have this earlier in the day and swap it with a protein shake you had from earlier along with a few efa pills rather than almonds or p.butter

I highlighted my favorite b-nat comments from above.

He is a VERY fast study. I like his eagerness and he nearly incorporates everything dinoiii preaches. Funny how that obviously has boded his physique well to boot, huh? ;)

D_

[dinoiii]

well, you got em, dang, how many times do I have to be proven incorrect D. now you've got me on the issue of the whey shake, i assume add in some almonds or the listed nuts or efa's and u r better off? yes/no? dang it, now I got sucked in

lol - I like mixed oils...not so much olive oil per se. I will drizzle some over some meats though, but a handful of nuts is a great addition, plus perhaps some walnut oil, et al.


D_

[B-natural]

we need an article on essential fats to be written by a very informed fella, hopefully he has some time or maybe some in an archive to post in the diet or science section. namely which fats could be used, esp in the coconut oil area (not quite sure on its efficacy). hopefully this is a possibility.

and I saw it as a quick and easy fix, i think you were referring to me or whatever, i can't think very straight anymore, this week needs to be over soon. I may not need as many carbs as I thought I needed before, but dammit I need some.... my mind speaks volumes but it comes out in foreign tongues when I type lol

[bLacKjAcK]

Ahhhh man, you know I was just funnin' with ya.

;)


D_

.....:).....

[Clickster]

.....:).....

When you reply to Dana, you need to say something better than that Matt....

Like... I understand Dana, you are a beast. :)

[dewster]

B,

How should I work my entire in the 4 day rotation? Right now I am trying to work muscle groups in opposing fashion. For example, I do one set of flat dumbell presses and immediately followed by one set of dumbell rows. Continue back and forth for until the set of 4 each were done. I was informed that this was the best way to do it. As far as EFA, what do you recommend? Seasmin or Fish Oil?

[RisingAgainst]

B,

How should I work my entire in the 4 day rotation? Right now I am trying to work muscle groups in opposing fashion. For example, I do one set of flat dumbell presses and immediately followed by one set of dumbell rows. Continue back and forth for until the set of 4 each were done. I was informed that this was the best way to do it. As far as EFA, what do you recommend? Seasmin or Fish Oil?
For your EFA question, if you're going to cut, get CLA, Seasamin, AND fish oil... Vaporize by MAN has seasamin and BIG FISH, which works well, stack it with some Dymatize Tonalin CLA.
For you other question, Back/Chest, Legs/Arms, Shoulders/Abs/Calves, OFF

[dinoiii]

we need an article on essential fats to be written by a very informed fella, hopefully he has some time or maybe some in an archive to post in the diet or science section. namely which fats could be used, esp in the coconut oil area (not quite sure on its efficacy). hopefully this is a possibility.

and I saw it as a quick and easy fix, i think you were referring to me or whatever, i can't think very straight anymore, this week needs to be over soon. I may not need as many carbs as I thought I needed before, but dammit I need some.... my mind speaks volumes but it comes out in foreign tongues when I type lol

Phew...we will see, I have had like 100 requests for full-length articles and a couple of shorter ones that I had stumbled upon cooking up already. But fats is certainly a stong point.

I haven't seen you lurking or anything over at AX B-nat, but there are a couple of stickied Roundtable discussions between me and Dr.D you may find worth it. And as for coconut oil, it is a good source of MCTs, however this is not the end-all be all as it is always cracked up to be, which I talk about in the 2nd roundtable over there (listed first though).

http://forum.anabolicx.com/index.php?showforum=16


Great start.


D_

[dinoiii]

When you reply to Dana, you need to say something better than that Matt....

Like... I understand Dana, you are a beast. :)


See Keith knows how to feed dinoiii's ego. lol

I have been meaning to email you Keith, but you wouldn't believe how many freakin' windows I have open right now trying to answer everyone. This is my job when I am not at the office. I am pulling like 20 hour days minimally and I don't even get paid for a lot of it. Pro-bono work rules. :D

Actually I had a recent email from Andrea, but she likely forgot how wordy I can be in response. HA!

Anyway ... one of these days when you least expect it I will drop you a line...or I may simply punt and call you! ;)

D_

[dinoiii]

B,

How should I work my entire in the 4 day rotation? Right now I am trying to work muscle groups in opposing fashion. For example, I do one set of flat dumbell presses and immediately followed by one set of dumbell rows. Continue back and forth for until the set of 4 each were done. I was informed that this was the best way to do it. As far as EFA, what do you recommend? Seasmin or Fish Oil?

Yeah, the laws of antagonism are one of the basic exercise physiology principles and does work well for a time period, but I wouldn't always recommend it because things tend to get misplaced.

A couple of variations that center on the 4-day split that work well with my clients follow:

Example 1

Day 1: Chest/Back
Day 2: Quads/Hams
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Bis/Tris
Day5: Off
Day 6: Shoulders/Abs/Calves
Day 7: Off

Example 2

Day 1: Chest/Back (1/2), Bis/Tris (1/2)
Day 2: Quads/Hams (1/2), Shoulders/Abs/Calves (1/2)
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Back/Chest (1/2), Tris/Bis (1/2)
Day 5: Hams/Quads (1/2), Shoulders/Abs/Calves (1/2)
Day 6: Off
Day 7: Off


D_

[bigboy67]

..... a handful of nuts is a great addition.......
D_

hehehehehehe......i'm baaaaaaaccckk!!!!!

[dinoiii]

hehehehehehe......i'm baaaaaaaccckk!!!!!

lol

Well I, for one, missed ya! :D


D_

[dewster]

Thanks guys. You have given me a wealth of information!!!

[bLacKjAcK]

Thanks guys. You have given me a wealth of information!!!

Yeh, I think your set bud.

Let us know if you have any more questions --- thats what we are here for.

[Clickster]

See Keith knows how to feed dinoiii's ego. lol

I have been meaning to email you Keith, but you wouldn't believe how many freakin' windows I have open right now trying to answer everyone. This is my job when I am not at the office. I am pulling like 20 hour days minimally and I don't even get paid for a lot of it. Pro-bono work rules. :D

Actually I had a recent email from Andrea, but she likely forgot how wordy I can be in response. HA!

Anyway ... one of these days when you least expect it I will drop you a line...or I may simply punt and call you! ;)

D_


You can call me anytime you want bro, you know that. :)

[B-natural]

B,

How should I work my entire in the 4 day rotation? Right now I am trying to work muscle groups in opposing fashion. For example, I do one set of flat dumbell presses and immediately followed by one set of dumbell rows. Continue back and forth for until the set of 4 each were done. I was informed that this was the best way to do it. As far as EFA, what do you recommend? Seasmin or Fish Oil?

I would follow D's rec.s but thats too easy, not sayin his splits too easy cuz weightlifting is as easy as you want it to be. I'm saying, I too should offer a varied split rather than agreeing, and I'll try to add some additional info.

1. How to break up your program into 4 days? How not to, its kinda simple.

Day 1- Chest/Back
Day 2- Quads/Hams
Day 3- Off
Day 4- Shoulders/Traps
Day 5- Bi's/Tri's
Day 6- Off
Day 7-You could repeat the cycle now or take this day off

2. Be sure that you switch the order around for each of these by doing back first and your supersetted chest exercise second.

3. I also like a differing rep approach when working opposite muscle groups in a superset fashion. Some studies have actually shown that your antagonist muscles are stronger after the agonists work in say a bench press. So I would go in the heavier ranges of 6-8 or 8-10 on exercise 1A and do either 10-12 or 12-15 on 1B. This approach should show very nice gains in your legs. If the gym or wherever you workout at is pretty dry and you have access to most weights at a given moment, start off with a BB movement and follow it with a dumbbell movement, Although this may not work on every exercise, its jus thought

[dinoiii]

The one thing about those latter two days is that you have a couple of days with small muscle belly/head groups being trained back-to-back...which is why I tend to stagger the items used in your days 5 and 6 B-nat if mass or something is intentioned.

Bis and Tris really don't need as much DIRECT work as many give them due to this fact as well.


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