JW's Bad to the Bone PheraVol/Methyl Vol/Trenadrol Log

[jw25558]

JW's Bad to the Bone Phera Vol/Methyl Cycle

I've decided to do my first log here on the DA forum. As you all know, I'm a data and statistical freak so there will be extreme details:D

Before I get to the details of what I'll be using, I just want to say that I am not a doctor so that anything in this log that you use will be at your own risk. Posts are suggestions/opinions only. Consult your doctor before use of any supplement or before beginning any training routine. Always research PH sides and have supporting supplements and pct for them.

Ok, Here's the plan!

Ph's Used:
Phera Vol by EST
Methyl Vol by EST
Trenadrol by Kilo Sports (weeks 1-3)
Trenaplex by BCS Labs (weeks 4-6)


[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Blue"]Core Supplements used pre/post workout, protein, etc
Super Pump 250 by Gaspari Nutrition
Size On by Gaspari Nutrition
Intra Pro Protein by Gaspari Nutrition
Liquid Amino 2222 by Optimum Nutrition


Supporting Supplements:
SAMe - Thanks Dinoiii for the recommendation!
EST Test Drive (starting week4)
Hawthorn Berry by Now Foods
Fish Oil
Pro Liver by Prima Force
Monster Energy Drinks (To fight legarthy and for a source of Taurine)
Activite by MHP (Multivitamin)

Current Plan for PCT (may change)
Mass Fx by Anabolic Xtreme
Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition
Reduce XT by SNS
Hyper Test by Axis Labs
All supporting supplements will be used as well during pct

Previous PH Experience:
Andro (back in the day)
Halodrol - 50
Superdrol
Phera Plex
M14ADD

Other Supplements that will be used pre/post workout, protein, etc
Super Pump 250 by Gaspari Nutrition
Size On by Gaspari Nutrition
Intra Pro Protein by Gaspari Nutrition
Liquid Amino 2222 by Optimum Nutrition

Beginning Stats:
Height 6' 1"
Age 25
Bicep 14 5/8"
Forearm 12 1/8"
Wrist 7 1/4"
Chest 46 1/4"
Shoulders 48 1/4"
Stomach 34 5/8":p
Waist 34 5/8"
Upper Leg 25"
Calf 15 1/2"
Neck 15 1/4"
Body Weight 184lbs

My Goals
I'm shooting for 200lbs body weight this time but If I dont make it, it's Solomon's fault:o jk I think it will happen with the stack I'm using, my diet, and training routine. I'll give more details in the next few days on all of these.

The Method Behind My Madness

Wk. 1
Trenadrol 2 caps
Phera Vol 2 caps
Wk. 2
Trenadrol 2 caps
Phera Vol 2 caps
Wk. 3
Morning 1 cap Trenadrol/1 cap Phera Plex
Evening 1 cap Methyl Vol/1 cap Trenaplex
wk.4
Trenaplex 2 caps
Methyl Vol 2 caps
wk. 5
Trenaplex 2 caps
Methyl Vol 2 caps (maybe 3:eek: depending on sides)
wk. 6
Trenaplex 2 caps
Methyl Vol 2 caps (Again, 3 if i can handle it)

The reason I am throwing in the Trenadrol at the beginning of the cycle is for the instant strength and hopefully to help lean out a little of this potato chip belly I have put on in the last month. I actually started this cycle on Tuesday so I am a little behind on the log. Later in the day, I'll post some pictures and give some updates to what I've done thus far. If anyone has any suggestions or anything I need to add to the log, please let me know. PM's are always welcome as well!

[RisingAgainst]

Current Plan for PCT (may change)Mass Fx by Anabolic Xtreme
Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition
Reduce XT by SNS
Hyper Test by Axis Labs
All supporting supplements will be used as well during pct

Ok dude, this is my biggest problem with this. I think you would be overspending for that pct. You don't really need two test boosters bro.

[jw25558]

Ok dude, this is my biggest problem with this. I think you would be overspending for that pct. You don't really need two test boosters bro.

I was kinda thinking that myself. That is why i put that it may change later. I think I'll go ahead and scrap the hyper test on this one.

[RisingAgainst]

I would scrap the MFX just because of the cost. That and you get free CEE with the hypertest :D lol I would love to use MFX in a pct but the price makes me think it won't be happening anytime soon.

[dinoiii]

Ok dude, this is my biggest problem with this. I think you would be overspending for that pct. You don't really need two test boosters bro.

Agree; likely only need the Mass Fx or HyperTest vs. both. Again, I personally recommend anti-cort products 2 weeks post cycle. I went in depth in PCT - more layman's here, did more a molecular analysis over at AX with the Retain product, but the basic rules are the same and it will all save you money in the long run. I would too invest in a nice (rather cheap too) I3C product and dose at about 400mg/day MINIMUM.


Other than that subbed.


D_

[RisingAgainst]

Agree; likely only need the Mass Fx or HyperTest vs. both. Again, I personally recommend anti-cort products 2 weeks post cycle. I went in depth in PCT - more layman's here, did more a molecular analysis over at AX with the Retain product, but the basic rules are the same and it will all save you money in the long run. I would too invest in a nice (rather cheap too) I3C product and dose at about 400mg/day MINIMUM.


Other than that subbed.


D_

As far as I3C goes, is it possible to get a proper amount from broccolli?

[dinoiii]

As far as I3C goes, is it possible to get a proper amount from broccolli?

Maybe, if you were to eat a bushell or something, though I wouldn't encourage it. ;) I suppose you could put on mass for sure though!!!

But really - the concentrations varies per bunch or crown, it would be very to offer guesstimation or wager on what that would be. This is one that I would supplement (standard cheap ones can be found).



D_

[RisingAgainst]

Lol, gotcha. Thanks for the reply. Also JW, You might want to consider splitting week 3 between Trenadrol and Trenaplex. IE:

Week 3:
Monday - Trenadrol
Tuesday - Trenadrol
Wednesday -Trenadrol
Thursday - Trenaplex
Friday - Trenaplex
Saturday Trenaplex

I don't see taking 4 phs in one day being good for you in any way shape or form.

[jw25558]

Before I post my pics, I want to say a few quick "Thanks Yous" and share with you where I started bodybuilding. This is where I started in March 23, 2006. My stats at the time are as follows:

Arm 12"
Forearm 10 3/4
Wrist 6 3/4
Chest 39 1/2
Shoulders 44 1/2
Stomach 31 1/2
Waist 32
Upper Leg 19 3/4
Calf 13 1/4
Neck 14 1/2
Body Weight ; A whopping 140lbs. Yep, if I turned sideways and stuck out my tongue, you would have thought I was a zipper. LOL

[jw25558]

Before the current pics, I have to say what a blessing from God this forum and all of its users have been to me. There is no way I could have accomplished what I have already if it hadn't been for you guys. These are some pics of me today. I just ate around 1500 calories at Applebees so be gentle. LOL

[RisingAgainst]

WAX that chest!! lol jk bro

[jw25558]

WAX that chest!! lol jk bro

What can I say, I'm lazy:D

[jw25558]

Dinoiii, Thanks for the advice on the I3C. It has been added to the pct. Well, I've been on cycle since Tuesday now and as a tradition, I always take measurements on Sunday;) Here are the results:

Arm 15"
Forearm 12 1/4
Wrist 7 1/4
Chest 47 3/3
Shoulders 49
Stomach 34 1/4 - Down a little bit:D
Waist 34 5/8
Upper Leg 25 1/8
Calf 15 5/8
Neck 15 1/2
Weight 187 Up 3 lbs

I'm up on everything all the way across the board. So far, I really like the addition of Trenadrol to the phera vol. As far as sides go, I have very mild morning legarthy, which goes away after a monster energy drink and no back pumps woohoo!!! I do have one VERY ANNOYING!! side effect. Instead of back pumps, I have leg pumps (if there is a such think LOL) My upper legs feel really tight and ache a little, just like the feeling of back pumps. Hopefully it goes away. If you guys have any suggestions, please shoot them at me.

[solomon1979]

About time we got to the seriousness of all of this:D

[jw25558]

I want to share my workout plan with everyone. I know this is not a common routine, but it has always gave me good results with bulk cycles. I do a full body workout, 3 days a week, and hit most body parts with 3 different types of movement.

Midrange Movement: To warm up the muscle and for moving maximum poundage.
Stretch Movement: To jolt muscle fibers out of reserve with the myotatic reflex.
Contracted Movement: To finish off the target bodypart with full range resistance.

This is a sample workout for me. I change it around if I need to focus on a certain muscle or plateau on a certain exercise. I'm currently giving the upper chest priority to the lower chest.

Incline Bench Press
Incline Cable Flies
Flat Bench Press
Squats
Leg Extensions
Leg Curl
Donkey Calf Raises
Lat Rows (for midback)
Pullover Machine (works both stretch and contracted position of the lats)
Military Press
Barbell Shrug
Rope Tricep Press
Barbell Curl
Reverse Curls

I know this is not common either, but when I am bulking, I do a 3 sets of 5 repetitions progressive workout. My gym schedule looks like this

Sunday: Measurements and max day
Monday: Off
Tuesday: Workout
Wednesday: Abs + 15min mild Elliptical
Thursday: Workout
Friday: Abs + 15 min mild Elliptical
Saturday: Workout

[RisingAgainst]

you gained 3in. in your arms and 6 in your legs in 1 yr, from this program? damn, u shoulda started awhile ago, u'd be a beast not bein cocky, curious i guess
That would be so nice... I can only imagine how happy I would be if I could do that.

[jw25558]

you gained 3in. in your arms and 6 in your legs in 1 yr, from this program? damn, u shoulda started awhile ago, u'd be a beast not bein cocky, curious i guess

I hear ya bro, I wish I would have started when I was still in High School (not using ph's of course;) ) I've had an incredible year to say the least. I hope with this cycle to push on up to 200lbs. The best advice I can give to anyone wishing to bulk up is the same advice my Dad gave to me. Never trade quality for quantity. Just a single set of controlled, full reps is better than 10 sets of sloppy ones. We'll guess its time to go to the gym. Wish me Luck!

[jw25558]

I can definitely understand what voodoo was saying about the trenadrol. You just cant seem to get enough water with this stuff. LOL I must say that with the combo that the strength gains are insane. Body weight is going up slowly. I am at 188 now but I am gradually losing body fat at the same time woohoo!! As good as I'm doing with the phera-tren combo, I cant wait to start methyl vol/trenaplex.

[RisingAgainst]

I can definitely understand what voodoo was saying about the trenadrol. You just cant seem to get enough water with this stuff. LOL I must say that with the combo that the strength gains are insane. Body weight is going up slowly. I am at 188 now but I am gradually losing body fat at the same time woohoo!! As good as I'm doing with the phera-tren combo, I cant wait to start methyl vol/trenaplex.
I think phera-tren is going to be your 'meal-ticket' on this stack. Once you hit the vol/tplex, I think you will be a little disappointed compared to what you got with the first half of your stack. Just push yourself in the gym and expect to have your max feel light the next week. lol

[jw25558]

Just checked my weight and am happily up another 3lbs(whats solomon putting in this stuff anyway hehe) Here are todays measurements:

Arm 15 3/16"
Forearm 12 3/8
Wrist 7 1/4
Chest 47 1/2
Shoulders 49 3/8
Stomach 34 1/4
Waist 34 3/4
Thigh 25 1/2
Calf 15 3/4
Neck 15 5/8
Body Weight 190lbs for a total of a 6lb weight gain so far.

I am really hoping to keep the 3lbs a week going so I can reach my goal of 200lbs. I really think its going to happen. So far side effects are next to nothing and strength is through the roof. Since this isn't an official test log or anything, I've only been updating twice a week. If anybody has any questions or suggestions about this cycle, please let me know.

[jw25558]

BTW, this has been the dosing schedule on the ph's so far. I'll be completing week 2 this Tuesday. I was actually thinking about bumping the trenadrol to 3 per day. What do you guys think?

Wk. 1
Trenadrol 2 caps
Phera Vol 2 caps
Wk. 2
Trenadrol 2 caps
Phera Vol 2 caps

[stevieg18969]

BTW, this has been the dosing schedule on the ph's so far. I'll be completing week 2 this Tuesday. I was actually thinking about bumping the trenadrol to 3 per day. What do you guys think?

i heard tren at 90 is pretty rough dude! let us know what you decide and if you do bump it up, let us know about the sides.

[jw25558]

i heard tren at 90 is pretty rough dude! let us know what you decide and if you do bump it up, let us know about the sides.

I've heard the same thing. At 60mg of trenadrol and 2 caps of phera vol, the side are basically non-existent. I think voodoo may have used 90 in his hulk cycle. Hopefully he will chime in on this one.

[RisingAgainst]

I've heard the same thing. At 60mg of trenadrol and 2 caps of phera vol, the side are basically non-existent. I think voodoo may have used 90 in his hulk cycle. Hopefully he will chime in on this one.
I've used 90 and it was ALONE. Voodoo isn't a good basis for comparison for people on this thread because of his size/genetics, Dude, don't expect sides so soon, you're barely into this. Give it time, and trust me on the 60mg tren, if you go to 90, check your bp three times a day and make damn sure you're taking hawthorne/celery/coq10.

[RisingAgainst]

Just checked my weight and am happily up another 3lbs(whats solomon putting in this stuff anyway hehe) Here are todays measurements:

Arm 15 3/16"
Forearm 12 3/8
Wrist 7 1/4
Chest 47 1/2
Shoulders 49 3/8
Stomach 34 1/4
Waist 34 3/4
Thigh 25 1/2
Calf 15 3/4
Neck 15 5/8
Body Weight 190lbs for a total of a 6lb weight gain so far.

I am really hoping to keep the 3lbs a week going so I can reach my goal of 200lbs. I really think its going to happen. So far side effects are next to nothing and strength is through the roof. Since this isn't an official test log or anything, I've only been updating twice a week. If anybody has any questions or suggestions about this cycle, please let me know.

Also, 6 pounds is damn good for 2 weeks on phera/tren. Check out the prop/phera logs dude, 8 pounds in a cycle, you're doing great.

[jw25558]

Also, 6 pounds is damn good for 2 weeks on phera/tren. Check out the prop/phera logs dude, 8 pounds in a cycle, you're doing great.

Good point. I dont have any reason to ask for more than 3lbs a week. As far as sides, I feel totally normal which is unbelievable because the time I used phera plex the sides were awful. For now, I'll stick to the 60mg and enjoy the fact I dont have any sides.

[NemisisX7]

Good point. I dont have any reason to ask for more than 3lbs a week. As far as sides, I feel totally normal which is unbelievable because the time I used phera plex the sides were awful. For now, I'll stick to the 60mg and enjoy the fact I dont have any sides.

Good choice. :D

[jw25558]

I will officially have 2 weeks in tomorrow. I checked my blood pressure today and it 130/74 with a pulse of 80. All I can say is that I am a true believer of supporting supplements. Just for a recap of my supporting supps, I'm using same, hawthorne, pro liver, and fish oil. As always, I'm looking forward to gym day tomorrow.

[Sonny]

Great progress for 2 weeks.

[jw25558]

Great progress for 2 weeks.

Thanks Sonny! I am absolutely thrilled about how this cycle is going. I hope to gain another 10lbs from it so I'll be up to 200lbs.

[RisingAgainst]

Thanks Sonny! I am absolutely thrilled about how this cycle is going. I hope to gain another 10lbs from it so I'll be up to 200lbs.
Dude, shoot for the moon. Aim for 210! That way you can reason out losing some weight on pct if it happens... lol ;)

[jw25558]

My New Toy!!

I've been wanting a smith machine for years, so I said "What the Heck". What I bought was the Fitness Gear Ultimate Smith 2. I have a large unfinished room upstairs so it worked out great. I thought I would share a pic of it with you guys.

[jw25558]

Dude, shoot for the moon. Aim for 210! That way you can reason out losing some weight on pct if it happens... lol ;)

Hmmmm....210. I like the way you think:D

[jw25558]

I got the methyl Vol started today. I was suppose to start Tuesday but I forgot:rolleyes: This weeks dosing schedule will look like this

Morning 1 cap phera vol - 1 cap Trenadrol
10 hours later - 1 cap Methyl Vol - 1 Cap Trenadrol

Starting Saturday, I'll switch the trenadrol out for Trenaplex and I'll be sure to do a full review for the trenadrol Sunday when I post wk3 pictures and list my measurements. I just wanted to say Thanks to everybody that s following this log. The support really means alot to me.

[Voodoo]

I got the methyl Vol started today. I was suppose to start Tuesday but I forgot:rolleyes: This weeks dosing schedule will look like this

Morning 1 cap phera vol - 1 cap Trenadrol
10 hours later - 1 cap Methyl Vol - 1 Cap Trenadrol

Starting Saturday, I'll switch the trenadrol out for Trenaplex and I'll be sure to do a full review for the trenadrol Sunday when I post wk3 pictures and list my measurements. I just wanted to say Thanks to everybody that s following this log. The support really means alot to me.

sorry i neglected this one. will follow more closely. great progress though, 3lbs a week is more than enough gain...

[jw25558]

sorry i neglected this one. will follow more closely. great progress though, 3lbs a week is more than enough gain...

Better late than never;) Glad to see that you are following!

[RisingAgainst]

I got the methyl Vol started today. I was suppose to start Tuesday but I forgot:rolleyes: This weeks dosing schedule will look like this

Morning 1 cap phera vol - 1 cap Trenadrol
10 hours later - 1 cap Methyl Vol - 1 Cap Trenadrol

Starting Saturday, I'll switch the trenadrol out for Trenaplex and I'll be sure to do a full review for the trenadrol Sunday when I post wk3 pictures and list my measurements. I just wanted to say Thanks to everybody that s following this log. The support really means alot to me.
Sweet dude, I like that you didn't mix trenaDROL and trenaPLEX, 4 phs at once is total overkill. Good luck dude, I'll keep following

[jw25558]

Since I got a little extra time, I'm going to go ahead and give my 2 cents worth on the Trenadrol with Dinoiii 5 star rating system.

Strength ***** - Believe me or not but you can feel this stuff working with just the first dose. I was adding 5lbs to almost everything and every workout for the 2 1/2 weeks I was on it. I actually contribute 75% of the immediate strength gains to the trenadrol.

Side Effects * - I had almost none. I had those really weird leg pumps in the beginning of my cycle. It felt just like back pumps but it was in my legs. It went away after about 1 week. You also have some freaky dreams while on this stuff. I thought I was the only one until I started reading other posts.

Mass Gaining Effects **** - I give it a 4 because this IMO is a lean mass generator. I have gained 9 lbs so far but I contribute the larger majority of the mass gains to the phera vol. I speculate to say that you would gain 6-9 pounds of lean mass using this as a solo while losing body fat at the same time.

Blood Pressure * - It is the same as when I started. I have used proper supporting supps all the way through, which in my opinion is not optional with any prohoromone. I highly recommend that anyone wanting to use a ph to first read through dinoiii's pct articles.

Appetite *** - It was really neutral, which is why I gave it a 3. It was always there but it wasnt raging like it would be with bold.

Stack-ability***** - I give it 5 because it is the best addition I have ever made to a methyl stack. With different methyls, you can expect them to take full effect in 3-14 days. With trenadrol, I got instant ratification. It also tends to counter the "wetness" of the phera vol. I think it would be a good addition to most wet ph's.

Overall ***** - All things considered, it is well deserving of a 5 star rating. I speculate to say that I would have been fine running it the whole way through my cycle but I really wanted to try both the trenadrol and trenaplex mainly to get a better understanding of both compounds. If anyone has any questions at all about the trenadrol or any part of my cycle, let me know.

[jw25558]

Per Keith's suggestion, I'll be adding EST Test Drive to this cycle once it arrives. That was an angle that I missed when planning this so thanks again Keith for the great idea. BTW, I'll have some mid cycle pics very soon.

[NemisisX7]

Your experience with the Tren was just like mine bro. I ran solo and got 6 pounds. Glad you're making good progress. Keep it up.

[jw25558]

Thanks Nemesis! I appreciate the support. It looks like I had another 3lb week! This is by far the best cycle I have ever run. If I can keep up this kind of progress, I should finish up at 202 - 205lbs which will make JW very happy:D The addition of the methyl vol has been great. I have had a wicked appetite since I have been using it, which was an unexpected but great side effect! The good ole back pumps tried to slip up on me but upped the taurine a little and got that taken care of. Here are todays measurements;

Arm 15 3/8"
Forearm 12 7/16
Wrist 7 1/4
Chest 48 1/4 (3/4" in one week:eek: )
Shoulders 50"
Stomach 34 1/4
Waist 35
Thigh 25 3/4
Calf 15 7/8
Neck 15 3/4
Body Weight 193 - for another 3lb gain
Total Weight Gain = 9lbs

Tuesday will officially start week 4. The dosing schedule will look like this

Methyl Vol 1 cap morning, 1 cap 10 hours later
Trenaplex 1 cap morning, 2 caps 10 hours later
EST Test Drive will start as soon as I receive it.

[Voodoo]

Keith's right on the test booster, it'll help to keep you from shutting down entirely.

Also, I'm really glad you're loving the trenadrol. Hows the aggression/dreams? I always want to see what people are seeing with it.

[jw25558]

Keith's right on the test booster, it'll help to keep you from shutting down entirely.

Also, I'm really glad you're loving the trenadrol. Hows the aggression/dreams? I always want to see what people are seeing with it.

Since I have started the methyl vol, I feel like I have shut down some. The morning legarthy on a scale of 1-10 would be about a 5 and libido is down a little.

The trenadrol is awesome. The aggression is there in the gym but it didnt effect me at all outside the gym with my mood, etc. The feeling it gave me was actually a good feeling. I had good pumps even outside of the gym. As far as side effects, the dreams were the only ones:o I didnt have nightmares like most but I basically had dreams every single night, which I typically never have dreams off cycle. The trenadrol was definitely a complement to the cycle and IMO would be a compliment to most, if not all cycles.

[jw25558]

nice work so far man, keep up the good work. I am waitin to try Tren myself, its gonna be fun to say the least

Thanks bro. If you have never tried tren, you are in for a treat. IMO, it would be a complement to any cycle.

[jw25558]

I think it's time for some mid-cycle pictures. This was at the end of the first 3 weeks of the cycle with the phera vol/trenadrol combo. I am up 9lbs from the starting pictures. Let me know what you think.

[Sonny]

Tried the EST test drive before (obviously) and it did help with the libido for the first couple weeks. Vol was a real killer for my libido.

Just looked on page one of the pre-pics. Definately filling out.

[UNCfan1]

Looking good JW. Back pictures look the best.

[jw25558]

Thanks guys! I appreciate the encouragement. Just a dosage update. At the beginning of this cycle, I had planned to bump the methyl Vol to 30mg but as long as I keep gaining 3lbs a week (or even 2) I think I;m just going to leave it at 20 to prevent anymore sides. As far as sides go

Back Pumps: Very mild and seldom. Just when I'm doing a lot of lifting at work
Headaches: Mild, usually in the mornings
Legarthy: Almost none

Now a look at the positives

Strength: Continues to grow, Hit a personal best for squats
Agression: The Methyl Vol is really bringing it out.
Libido: Still going strong. Hopefully will be going stronger once the test drive arrives:D

[jw25558]

Since Wednesday was officially my last day of Phera Vol, I thought I would give a full review.

Side Effects * - To be honest, I didnt have any with this ph, which is a big plus!

Strength Gains **** - Strength gains went up literally with every workout. I contribute at least 60% of the initial strength gains to the trenadrol though.

Bulking ***** - This is a semi wet compound. I would say probably a 6 out of 10 on wetness, which makes it great for bulking up. I gained 9lbs in just 3 weeks of which I contribute 75% of this to the phera vol.

Libido ***** - Roaring:D

Overall ***** - A good solid product well deserving of a 5 start rating. I think this would be a great beginner ph due to the low side effects(for me anyway) but at the same time, The more experienced user can use it as well with great gains in strength and size. For me, the phera and trenadrol was an unbeatable combo. The bulking effecs of the phera and the strength, dryness of the trenadrol was perfectly synergistic. If anybody has any questions or anything that I didnt cover, just let me know.

[UNCfan1]

Since Wednesday was officially my last day of Phera Vol, I thought I would give a full review.

Side Effects * - To be honest, I didnt have any with this ph, which is a big plus!

Strength Gains **** - Strength gains went up literally with every workout. I contribute at least 60% of the initial strength gains to the trenadrol though.

Bulking ***** - This is a semi wet compound. I would say probably a 6 out of 10 on wetness, which makes it great for bulking up. I gained 9lbs in just 3 weeks of which I contribute 75% of this to the phera vol.

Libido ***** - Roaring:D

Overall ***** - A good solid product well deserving of a 5 start rating. I think this would be a great beginner ph due to the low side effects(for me anyway) but at the same time, The more experienced user can use it as well with great gains in strength and size. For me, the phera and trenadrol was an unbeatable combo. The bulking effecs of the phera and the strength, dryness of the trenadrol was perfectly synergistic. If anybody has any questions or anything that I didnt cover, just let me know.


Nice review JW!

[jw25558]

Done my measure and weigh in today and up another 3lbs to 196lbs. My measurements didnt go up very much this week though...so what ever I'll still take the 3lbs;)

Arm 15 1/2
Forearm 12 1/2
Wrist 7 3/8
Chest 48 1/2
Shoulders 50 1/4
Stomach 34 3/8
Waist 34 3/4
Thigh 26
Calf 15 7/8
Neck 16
Body Weight 196 for a 3lb gain this week and a total of 12lbs gained thus far.

Experienced ph users, this has been an awesome cycle. I have had great size gains as you can see by the measurements and incredible strength gains. I dont know how Kilosports and EST does it but keep up the good work!

Since this cycle will be over in 2 weeks and 3 days(I think I'm gonna cry:( ) I am going to switch up my training a little bit and work on some of my problem areas. My primary concern is building up the upper chest. I;m going to take most, if not all of the focus off the mid and lower chest and blast away with incline presses, cable, and dumbell exercises. Second is my biceps, though they are getting larger, they are beginning to look like a flat tire so I am going to work on peaking them with some concentration type exercises. Any and all suggestions are welcome and if you see any other weak areas in my pictures, feel free to bash away;)

[Sonny]

Looking good man.

And they all have to end eventually.

[jw25558]

And they all have to end eventually.

This is so True:( I can always look forward to the next cycle though. I actually have a couple in mind for July. Possibly a Promagnon/Bold or a Methyl XT/Halodrol cycle:D

[jw25558]

Just an update on blood pressure

124/74
Pulse 74

I contribute this to the supporting supplements that I am using on cycle. In times past. I would have numbers as high as like 145/92 while on cycle. Dinoiii and Voodoo has made me a believer.

[jw25558]

I've been off of the phera for a full week now. I estimate that I have lost 2-3lbs of water weight. I know that sounds crazy but I have made a ton of trips to the br. It is actually a good thing though becuase I am showing a little more definition. For my chest, I have gave full focus to building the upper pecs and have made good progress. I'll have an updated pic and measurements Sunday.

[jw25558]

Well, I only gained 1lb this week:p I dont know what's going on with that. My measurements only went up in my shoulders, chest, and calves.

Arm 15 1/2
Forearm 12 1/2
Wrist 7 3/8
Chest 48 1/2
Shoulders 50 1/2
Stomach 34 1/2
Waist 34 1/2
Thigh 26
Calf 16
Neck 16
Body Weight 197lbs and a 1lb gain
Total gained this cycle - 13lbs

[jw25558]

Opinions Needed

I dont feel like Im getting anything from the 20mg of methyl vol and the 50mg of trenaplex. No sides, no gains, nothing. I got 12 days of this cycle left that I would like to make the very best of. These are some ideas I have

1 Bump the methyl vol up 30mg and the trenaplex to 75mg.
2 Leave the methyl vol at 20, the trenaplex at 50 and add in some bold for the next 12 days.
3 Leave well enough alone and just finish out the cycle with what I'm doing.

I am open to any and all other suggestions as well. Thanks guys!

[NemisisX7]

Opinions Needed

I dont feel like Im getting anything from the 20mg of methyl vol and the 50mg of trenaplex. No sides, no gains, nothing. I got 12 days of this cycle left that I would like to make the very best of. These are some ideas I have

1 Bump the methyl vol up 30mg and the trenaplex to 75mg.
2 Leave the methyl vol at 20, the trenaplex at 50 and add in some bold for the next 12 days.
3 Leave well enough alone and just finish out the cycle with what I'm doing.

I am open to any and all other suggestions as well. Thanks guys!

Hmm, seems as if TRenadrol is better than Trenaplex. Interesting, go with option 1 or 3. Leaning towards 3. But hell if you're getting no sides might as well bump up the dosages. Just be sure to keep checkin the BP and keep liver support going.

[jw25558]

Nem, IMO, the trenadrol is way better than trenaplex. I really question if the trenaplex is doing anything for me. I think I'm going to bump the methyl vol to 30mg. Thanks bro!!

[solomon1979]

Nem, IMO, the trenadrol is way better than trenaplex. I really question if the trenaplex is doing anything for me. I think I'm going to bump the methyl vol to 30mg. Thanks bro!!

Keep the Methyl-Vol at 30mg and use it throughout the rest of the cycle at 30mg. IMO, I would probably increase the Trenaplex as well, but I 'd so cautiously as to not potentiate any prolactin increases.

[jw25558]

Keep the Methyl-Vol at 30mg and use it throughout the rest of the cycle at 30mg. IMO, I would probably increase the Trenaplex as well, but I 'd so cautiously as to not potentiate any prolactin increases.

Good point solomon, I didnt think about a prolactin increase. My wife definitely wouldnt like that:D Do you think there would be any problems with discontinuing the trenaplex and going back to the trenadrol at a dose of 2 caps per day with the 30mg of methyl vol?

[solomon1979]

Good point solomon, I didnt think about a prolactin increase. My wife definitely wouldnt like that:D Do you think there would be any problems with discontinuing the trenaplex and going back to the trenadrol at a dose of 2 caps per day with the 30mg of methyl vol?

No, but to be on the safe side, monitor your BP.

[jw25558]

No, but to be on the safe side, monitor your BP.

Will do bro. Thanks!!

[jw25558]

I got a 1000 views on my thread:D :D Thanks for following guys. I really appreciate it. I'm going to change things up a bit for the next 12 days. I hope I am not stepping on any toes here but I dont feel trenaplex has done a thing for me. I may just be a non-responder or it may take longer to get in the system to be effective. Starting today, I'm going back on Trenadrol at 2 caps per day and 3 caps of methyl vol. Trenaplex will be discontinued from this cycle. More pictures will be posted tomorrow.

[solomon1979]

Its my opinion that Trenaplex has a better synergy with prohormones and not prosteroids. IMO, it would probably be more effective with Bold, 1-AD, etc.... BTW, I think it would be a good addition to Methyl E as well.

[jw25558]

Good advice Solomon. What are the benefits of trenaplex in a prohoromone cycle? It is strength, mass, etc?

[solomon1979]

Good advice Solomon. What are the benefits of trenaplex in a prohoromone cycle? It is strength, mass, etc?

Well, I liked it for libido and strength. It also helped to keep the cycle balanced. Granted its been a while since I last used it, but I've only positive things to say about the compound.

[jw25558]

The changes I have made with this cycle has got me back on track. Even at 30mg of methyl vol and 2 caps of trenadrol I am not having any sides to speak of. Weight is up another lb to 198. It looks like I am going to make my goal of 200. Here is an updated pic to show mostly arm and upper chest progress.

[jw25558]

Since I have increased the dose on the methyl vol, my strength has continued to increase and measurements have went up all across the board. My body weight though has only increased 1lb. I cant figure that out:confused:

Measurements are as follows:

Arm 15 5/8
Forearm 12 5/8
Wrist 7 7/16
Chest 48 7/8
Shoulders 50 3/4
Stomach 34 1/2
Waist 34 3/4
Thigh 26 1/4
Calf 16 1/8
Neck 16
Weight 198 for a 1lb increase and a total 14lbs so far.


I officially have 4 days left on cycle and then comes pct. My goal was to really reach 200lbs body weight with this one but I cant complain about what I have accomplished. figure that I could push it during pct and reach 200lbs but I dont want to risk putting on ANY more fat. If fact, I would love to lean down a little during pct. Currently pct is looking like this:

Wk. 1

Novedex XT 4 caps
Mass FX 4 caps
Reduce XT 3 caps

Wk. 2

Novedex XT 3 caps
Mass FX 4 Caps
Reduce XT 3 caps

Wk. 3

Novedex XT 2 caps
Mass FX 4 Caps
Reduce XT 2 caps

Wk. 4
Novedex Xt 1 cap
Mass Fx 4 caps
Reduce Xt 1 cap


If anyone has any suggestions on things I could improve on here, please let me know. Also if there is anything I could add or replace to help me drop about 5lbs of body fat.

[Sonny]

You had a some great increase during the cycle. Nice work!

[jw25558]

Thanks for the kind words Sonny. I must say that EST and Kilosports make some very fine products. I couldnt have done it without them.

[solomon1979]

I think it likely that you'll continue to gain in PCT with that set-up. Good job.

[NemisisX7]

Retain instead of Reduce XT could help lose a little bit on PCT. I used Leviathan during PCT and lost a good 10 pounds and didn't lose strength. But I'm one of the few who could pull that off. :D Oh and I believe the Reduce XT should be started at around week 2.5 of PCT.

[jw25558]

Retain instead of Reduce XT could help lose a little bit on PCT. I used Leviathan during PCT and lost a good 10 pounds and didn't lose strength. But I'm one of the few who could pull that off. :D Oh and I believe the Reduce XT should be started at around week 2.5 of PCT.

I believe you are right on the reduce xt. Leviathan looks like a great supp. I followed your log on it and was impressed with the results you had from it. I was thinking of starting Levathian about 2 weeks after my pct is over. Do you think that will be a good idea? Also, do you think Incarnate would be a good thing to add to it?

[NemisisX7]

I believe you are right on the reduce xt. Leviathan looks like a great supp. I followed your log on it and was impressed with the results you had from it. I was thinking of starting Levathian about 2 weeks after my pct is over. Do you think that will be a good idea? Also, do you think Incarnate would be a good thing to add to it?

Bulk Beta-alanine is cheaper but Incarnate does provide 4g a day and it also has cissus. Your choice. Leviathan I would wait a bit longer since you'd be coming off of Mass FX. Give yourself a rest.

[jw25558]

Bulk Beta-alanine is cheaper but Incarnate does provide 4g a day and it also has cissus. Your choice. Leviathan I would wait a bit longer since you'd be coming off of Mass FX. Give yourself a rest.

Will Do Nem, Thanks!

[jw25558]

I think it likely that you'll continue to gain in PCT with that set-up. Good job.

Solomon, Thanks for the kind words and for all the help you have provided me with in the past and for this cycle.

[solomon1979]

Solomon, Thanks for the kind words and for all the help you have provided me with in the past and for this cycle.

No problem man.

[jw25558]

Just a quick update. I finished the ph side of my cycle today and now on to pct. I finished at 198lbs from 184, so I had a wonderful 14lb gain from this cycle with massive strength increases and almost no side effects. I would have been 200lbs by now but tragedy struck Monday. I had a filling drop out of a tooth and while it dropped out I bit down on it unknowingly and broke one o the sides off the tooth. The dentist was able to fix it but it is still very sore on that entire side of my mouth which has drastically effected my diet.

[solomon1979]

Just a quick update. I finished the ph side of my cycle today and now on to pct. I finished at 198lbs from 184, so I had a wonderful 14lb gain from this cycle with massive strength increases and almost no side effects. I would have been 200lbs by now but tragedy struck Monday. I had a filling drop out of a tooth and while it dropped out I bit down on it unknowingly and broke one o the sides off the tooth. The dentist was able to fix it but it is still very sore on that entire side of my mouth which has drastically effected my diet.

Tough break man(no pun intended), I think you did well nontheless. Great progress and where are the pics;) ?

[jw25558]

I'll have the pics on here tomorrow. Thanks for reminding me.

[jw25558]

niiiice log man, looks somewhat familiar. Good to hear the gains, and post up some numbers as well as the pics

Thanks for the kind words. I'll have numbers tonight as well.

[jw25558]

Time for some before and after pics. What I'm going to do is post the before picture first and then directly below it will be the after picture. I suck at posing so bare with me here:o

[jw25558]

Back Pose. 1 before and 2 after pictures below it

[jw25558]

Side Pose pics

[jw25558]

I'll have some measurements up tomorrow.

[egodog48]

good job man!!!

[UNCfan1]

Nice workout JW. Back pictures look great and ur forearms look alot bigger to me.

[jw25558]

Thanks again to everyone that has followed and helped me with this cycle. Here are my final numbers:

Beginning numbers.....Ending Numbers....Gain

Bicep 14 5/8"............15 3/4.................1 1/8"
Forearm 12 1/8".........12 5/8.................1/2"
Wrist 7 1/4"..............7 7/16.................3/16
Chest 46 1/4"............48 7/8.................2 5/8"
Shoulders 48 1/4".......50 3/4.................2 1/2
Stomach 34 5/8".........34 3/8................-1/4
Waist 34 5/8".............34 3/4................1/8
Upper Leg 25".............26 1/4................1 1/4
Calf 15 1/2"................16......................1/2
Neck 15 1/4"..............16.......................3/4
Body Weight 184lbs......197....................13lbs


I'm 2 days into pct now and feeing great. I'll continue maintaining the log throughout pct and post final pics and numbers upon completion. If anyone has any questions please let me know.

[Mp5navy187]

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[RisingAgainst]

Guys I need some advice im gonna start a halo\winny cycle to get cut up and reduce my bodyfat. Im 22 6'0 195. Ok long story short last year I broke my arm over the summer stayed home depressed all that good, my weight shot up 285. After my arm recovred started working then started lifting again i weight about 250 then I stareted e.c.a. stack lost about 30 pounds off of that. Then took 2 bottles of the burn by fiztogen and lost all together about 25 pounds off of that. Im currently on liop-6 and protein to get cut but im losing alot muscle cause ive added cardio last 2 month at least 5 miles a day of cardio then I lift. Im starting to notice im getting more food cravings like crazy.... Ill do good on day with my diet until dinner and before bed is where I **** up at. And lipo-6 is helping but isnt surpressing my cravings. But yea anyways this month in may im gonna start my cycle with halo\winny and pct im gonna be using rebound reloaded or xtreme pct stack not sure on that. But yea my eating habits are good just Im not eating enough or whats up.


I need some advice on some good pre post workout supplaments. And workout routines and diets. Ive got the desire and heart just need the direction. Thx guys for hearing me out
Can you PLEASE start your own thread instead of hijacking the 3-4 I have seen so far?? please??

[jw25558]

I've kinda neglected this since I've been in pct, the dentist, you know. All that good stuff. I have changed my workout around a little bit. I'll update later tonight.

[jw25558]

So far pct is going great! I decided to throw mass fx in there really thinking I wasnt going to get much or anything out of it but I must say that I have been impressed. My vascularity has improved greatly, my workouts are still strong, and I am aggressive as ever. I must say it is an excellent product.

I've switched my workout routine around a bit. It is based part on my original routine and partly on voodoo's train until you cant move technique:D

Day 1 Chest, Abs
Day 2 Back, Shoulders
Day 3 Legs (Quads, Hams, Calves)
Day 4 Arms, Abs
Day 5 Rest
Rinse, Repeat (I stole that one from voodoo too:o )

I'm basically doing 3 movements for each body part as before which are

Midrange to warm up the target muscle and move maximum poundage
Stretch movement to recruit muscle fibers
Contracted movement for full range resistance.

I'll list my workouts for this week in just a few minutes

[jw25558]

I'm starting out with just a moderate weight becuase alot of the exercises I am doing here I havent done for a while or havent done at all.


Chest 4-26

Incline Bench Press
170lbs 3 sets of 5

Decline Cable Crossovers
60 lbs 3 sets of 5

Flat Bench Press
185lbs 3 sets 5

Incline Cable crossovers
60lbs 3 sets 5

Barbell Shrug
245lbs 3 sets 5



4-27 Back (didnt do shoulders, run out of time)

Lat pulldowns
100lbs 3 sets 5

Dumbell Pullover
105lbs 3 sets 5

Undergrip Pulldowns
100lbs 3 sets 5

Behind Neck Pulldowns
110lbs 3 sets 5

Barbell Lat Rows
240lbs 3 sets 5

Didnt get shoulders in there:( I'm going to make them up today with arms (just a light shoulder day)


4-28 Leg Day - My Favorite Day of the Week!!

Squats
205lbs 3 sets 5

Sissy Squat
Bodyweight 3 sets 5

Leg Extension
175lbs 3 sets 5

Stiff Legged Deadlift
Forgot to do them:x

Leg Curl (for hams)
110lbs 3 sets 5

Toe Pointed Leg Curls
75lbs 3 sets 5

Standing Calf Raise
360lbs 3 sets 5

[mw1111]

looks good - i missed alot on this log, i will go back thru it tonight and catch up though

[jw25558]

looks good - i missed alot on this log, i will go back thru it tonight and catch up though

Thanks Man!! Its been a great cycle. BTW, I'll have some up to date measurements tonight.

[jw25558]

I also have a very important announcement to make tonight as well;)

[UNCfan1]

I also have a very important announcement to make tonight as well;)

Can't wait. Great log and results for u as well.

[jw25558]

JW is officially 200lbs!!!!!!!

I accomplished what I set out to do for with this cycle. I thought my gains were over for this one but I got on the scale today and boom:D Here are my current measurements:

Arm 15 3/4
Forearm 12 1/2
Wrist 7 3/8
Chest 49 1/4
Shoulders 51
Stomach 34 3/8
Waist 34 3/4
Thigh 26 1/4
Calf 16 1/4
Neck 16 1/8
Body Weight 200lbs for a total of 16lbs gain!

I havent gained much size by measurements but I have hardened up a bunch since I have been on pct. With my new routine, I'm expecting great things to come from these last 3 weeks. Here is todays workout.

4-29 Arm Day (I done shoulders too because I missed then on 4-27

Military Press
125lbs 3 sets 5

One Arm cable Raise
15lbs 3 sets 5

Wide Grip Upright Rows
95lbs 3 sets 5

Now for Arms

Close Grip Bench Press
105lbs 3 sets 5

Overhead Tricep Extensions
65lbs 3 sets 5

One Arm Cable Kickbacks
15lbs 2 sets 5

Barbell Curl
90lbs 3 sets 5

1 Arm Cable Curl (arm behind torso)
30lbs 2 sets 5

Concentration Curls
Skipped

Reverse Curl
70lbs 3 sets 5

[mw1111]

Congrats!!! Are You Going To Get Some Post Pictures Up?

[UNCfan1]

Awesome on reaching ur goals JW.

[jw25558]

Congrats!!! Are You Going To Get Some Post Pictures Up?

Thanks bro! I got some pictures on page 9 that are at the end of the ph cycle. Once I complete pct, I'll post a new batch.


Awesome on reaching ur goals JW.

Thanks UNC! Looking forward to seeing the log on you upcoming cycle. You're gonna get huge:D


nice work man, glad to see the cycle similar to mine works


Thanks B. Yea, you should pack on 20lbs with that stack. Looking forward to it!

[jw25558]

I had a good restful day off yesterday. Today was chest and traps. I had a good workout. Here are the numbers:

Chest 5-1

Incline Bench Press
175lbs 3 sets 5

Incline Cable Flies
65lbs 3 sets 6

Bench Press
185lbs 2 sets 5

Low Cable Flies
65lbs 3 sets 6

Barbell Shrug
250lbs 3 sets 5

I'm looking forward to back and shoulders tomorrow.

[RisingAgainst]

I had a good restful day off yesterday. Today was chest and traps. I had a good workout. Here are the numbers:

Chest 5-1

Incline Bench Press
175lbs 3 sets 5

Incline Cable Flies
65lbs 3 sets 6

Bench Press
185lbs 2 sets 5

Low Cable Flies
65lbs 3 sets 6

Barbell Shrug
250lbs 3 sets 5

I'm looking forward to back and shoulders tomorrow.

Damn man... You know the secret to chest (keeping incline/decline/flat somewhat close to the same weight) a lot of people have a BIG bench and no incline.

[jw25558]

Damn man... You know the secret to chest (keeping incline/decline/flat somewhat close to the same weight) a lot of people have a BIG bench and no incline.

Definitely. I also give the upper chest priority in my working it out first before moving on to the mid and lowers.

[RisingAgainst]

Definitely. I also give the upper chest priority in my working it out first before moving on to the mid and lowers.
Way to be. I have seperate days for each, but I try to work chest 2 times a week as well. Lookin good though bro, how you likin things so far?
BTW: you still gaining?

[jw25558]

Way to be. I have seperate days for each, but I try to work chest 2 times a week as well. Lookin good though bro, how you likin things so far?

Thanks RA, Training the uppers and lowers on separate days is a good idea. I will definitely have to try that. If you notice my pictures at the beginning of my log, my check looks kinda like a flat tire:o Reason being is I didnt train my upper chest until this cycle so I had a lot of catching up to do. Overall, I have really liked this cycle. The tren and phera was awesome. I didnt gain what I thought I should have from methyl vol but I guess I just dont respond well to it. I feel almost as good on PCT as I did my cycle. Mass FX is really the trick for pct. I wish I would have listened to you and used hyperdrol X2 as well but it will be in the next cycle for sure;)

[mw1111]

do you do any incline db , i usually do 3 sets with db before barbell; try rotating db as you go up so at the top they are paralell with your body.
Also do you do incline db flies or just cables

[jw25558]

do you do any incline db , i usually do 3 sets with db before barbell; try rotating db as you go up so at the top they are paralell with your body.
Also do you do incline db flies or just cables

I usually do cables because of the full range resistance it provides. You get the stretch in the beginning of the movement and the full range contraction at the end where I would normally have to do db flies and pec dec flies to get the same benefit. It saves me a little time in the gym;)

[jw25558]

Today was lats and shoulders day. I just wasnt feeling it today so it was just a mediocre workout.

5-2 Lats and Shoulders

Front Pulldown
110lbs 3 sets 5

Dumbbell pullover
107.5lbs 3 sets 5

Undergrip Pulldowns
110lbs 3 sets 5

Behind the Neck Pulldowns
115lbs 3 sets 5

Seated Cable Rows
245lbs 3 sets 5

Military Press - Barbell
130lbs 3 sets 5

1 Arm Cable Raise
35lbs 2 sets 5

Wide Grip Upright Rows
100lbs 2 sets 5

Tomorrow is Leg Day. It should be a much better day;)

[RisingAgainst]

Lol bro, I wish I had the money to take my own advice, I went with BAM for my pct, but I did nail down the X factor, hdx2, retain2, and a few other goodies! lol

[jw25558]

Lol bro, I wish I had the money to take my own advice, I went with JW for my pct, but I did nail down the X factor, hdx2, retain2, and a few other goodies! lol

JW will make a good item for pct. I would like to try it myself sometime. What you got there looks an excellent pct.

[RisingAgainst]

JW will make a good item for pct. I would like to try it myself sometime. What you got there looks an excellent pct.
Meh... BAM is supposedly a tad estrogenic and supposedly all sorts of bad for me during PCT... I am at that point in life, where although I understand this, I feel rebelious in the sense that I would like to run it because I have it, despite advice.... I feel like a hipocrit now :p LOL!
edit: meant BAM.. wtf was I thinking? lol!

[jw25558]

Meh... BAM is supposedly a tad estrogenic and supposedly all sorts of bad for me during PCT... I am at that point in life, where although I understand this, I feel rebelious in the sense that I would like to run it because I have it, despite advice.... I feel like a hipocrit now :p LOL!
edit: meant BAM.. wtf was I thinking? lol!

BAM will be interesting. X2 should take care of the estrogen though. At any rate, this pct will be one for the record books.:D LOL

[jw25558]

I had an awesome leg workout today. Yep, couldnt walk for 2 hours after....nah......just joking:D Here are the numbers

Squats
210lbs 3 sets5

Sissy Squat
body weight + 10lbs 3 sets 5

Leg Extension
180lbs 3 sets 5

Stiff Legged Dead Lift
135lbs 3 sets 5

Leg Curl
115lbs 2 sets 5

Toe Pointed Leg Curl
85lbs 3 sets 5

Standing Calf Raise
365lbs 3 sets 5

Tomorrow is my second favorite day of the week......ARM DAY muhahahahahaha:D

[jw25558]

I had a killer arm workout today. I added in a few more exercises to help catch my forearms up a bit. Here are the details

Close Grip Bench Press
120lbs 3 sets 5

Over Head Tricep Extension
71lbs 3 sets 5

1 Arm Cable Kickbacks
15lbs 3 sets 5

Barbell Curl
90lbs 3 sets 5

1 Arm Cable Curl (arm behind torso)
30lbs 3 sets 5

1 Arm Concentration Curls
40lbs 2 sets 5

Reverse Curls
75lbs 2 sets 5

Incline Reverse Wrist Curl
40lbs 3 sets 5

Decline Reverse Wrist Curl
50lbs 2 sets 5

Incline Wrist Curl
50lbs 2 sets 5

Decline Wrist Curls
50lbs 2 sets 5

Tomorrow will be a much needed ab workout;)

[NightTrain]

arm workout looks pretty intense, keep it up

[jw25558]

arm workout looks pretty intense, keep it up

Oh yea. I'll feel it in the morning:D LOL This workout routine was just an experiment but it has really paid off for me. I'm 15 days into pct and have put on 5lbs. Its too early to tell how the arm routine is going to work because I just got into the full extent of it today but I do notice significant gain in my shoulders. So stay tuned bro, It's going to be a wild ride:D

[jw25558]

Not too much to report in measurements. They are basically the same as last week but I am up 1lb. My current weight is 201, which is a 4lb gain in pct. I normally lose 4lbs:o LOL PCT is going great. Tomorrow is chest day. I have to be out of town tomorrow but I'm going to do everything possible to get back in time to do it.

[colobb]

awesome log man, i don't post much on this forum but i do all the time on *******. this has definetly been one of the most well put together logs i have read (on any forum). Awesome results off of this cycle, i am starting a PV + MV cycle on monday (without the tren but for 7 weeks). Hopefully i will have similar results as you did. i will definetly have to start a log myself.

[jw25558]

That is awesome man. I'm glad my log was helpful to you. I hope you stick around here at DA. We dont have all of the fighting and drama like they do at the other forums so I really think you will like it here. I really appreciate the kind works and I'm sure you'll make fantastic gains with this stack.

[LEARN]

Ok dude, this is my biggest problem with this. I think you would be overspending for that pct. You don't really need two test boosters bro.

lol one for each maybe ? lol

[jw25558]

lol one for each maybe ? lol

I took the hypertest out of this cycle. Pct is:

Novedex Xt
Reduce Xt
Mass FX

[Got2getbig!]

Awesome bro! Good job.

[jw25558]

Awesome bro! Good job.

Thanks Bro! Your logs is looking great BTW!

nice work man, 4lbs is awesome during pct, a weight loss or maintenance is the usual for pct

Thanks B-Natural, I'm too excited about it:D I contribute it to the addition of Mass FX in my pct.

[Sonny]

You can't do anything wrong, can you? ;)

Log is looking great!

[jw25558]

Yesterday was Chest day. I was on the road from 6:00am until 7:30pm yesterday which really made my workout suffer:( I really should have took the day off and picked it up today but here are the numbers

Chest 5-7

Incline Bench Press
180lbs 2 sets 5

Incline Cable Flies
70lbs 2 sets 6

Bench Press
185lbs 2 sets 5

Low Cable Flies
65lbs 3 sets 6

Barbell Shrug
255lbs 3 sets 5

[jw25558]

Since I have just a few days of pct left, I'm going to go ahead and do my final review of this stack. I'm going to use the ole Dinoiii 5 star rating system.


Strength: ***** Very impressive strength gains from methyl vol and especially trenadrol. I was able to increase my max on my squats by 35lbs and bench press by 25lbs.

Side Effects: * Well, it was much easier to piss me off while I was on this:D I got the occasional back pump, which I was able to counter with taurine. I also got the funky dreams from trenadrol.

Mass: ***** This cycle was as good as my first as far as mass was concerned. I gained a total of 19lbs which far exceeded my expectations.

Blood Pressure: * I had no issues with blood pressure. I contribute this to the supporting supps I was using.

Appetite *** I had the necessary appetite to get the cals in but I didnt have a roaring appetite like you would on say bold.

Overall ***** I would definitely do it again. It was an excellent cycle. I went from 184lbs to 203lbs and lost approx 1% bodyfat while doing so.

If anyone has any questions or comments, please let me know;)

[solomon1979]

Thanks for the log man. I know we put you through a lot of waiting, but it'll be worth it in the future;) .

[NightTrain]

excellent job JW, congrats on the 19 pounds, great log was very informative

[jw25558]

You can't do anything wrong, can you? ;)

Log is looking great!

Thanks Sonny! I appreciate your help along the way!

Thanks for the log man. I know we put you through a lot of waiting, but it'll be worth it in the future;) .

No problem Solomon. Things happen. I really appreciate all the help you've given me and for taking the time to answer all of my pm's and emails. I hope I can do another log for EST in the near future!

excellent job JW, congrats on the 19 pounds, great log was very informative

Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you liked my log and looking forward to the rest of your log.