Trenadrol Run Number 2

[RisingAgainst]

Hey guys, I've been kinda off and on the last little bit, but my life is finally slowin down. I'm gonna be doin a log here for my Trenadrol/Hemadrol stack. I'm open to some opinions/suggestions on the dosages/timing, but so far I have two ideas of how I would like to do this, first being both at the same time:

Trenadrol @ 60mg - 30days
Hemadrol @ 50mg - 30days

OR:

Weeks 1-2 Hemadrol Solo @ 50mg
Weeks 3-4 Hemadrol @50mg and Trenadrol @60mg
Weeks 5-6 Trenadrol @60mg

I have a solid line of supporting supps, and a PCT lined out with;
SNS PCT Stack
Blue Up (stim free)
ZMA
GreenMAG

I will be running the usual supporting supps;
RYR
Multi
EFA's
Saw Palmetto (been on for a month tomorrow)
Cissus
Liver Detox
(I have a bottle of Taurine just in case)

Shipment comes Monday, I would like to start Tuesday :D

[NemisisX7]

Looks good bro. Hopefully you'll see the same strength gains that me and Voodoo have had. Good luck.

[RisingAgainst]

Thanks man, I'm looking for pure strength, any lean gains that I may make are just an added bonus. Same with leaning out a bit. I guess I forgot my goals and whatnot, currently at:

Age: 21
# of Ph cycles: This is number 3
Lifting Experience: 2 dedicated years and some change, lifting since HS
Weight: 202 (Down from 220!!!)
BF: 14.6% as of this morning
Height: 5'10"

I don't have access to blood testing this cycle, but I have a whopper of a cycle planned for later on in the year, so I will be doing bloodwork for the next one.

[Voodoo]

trying to lean up? tren after, trying to bulk i would say tren first.

but like Im saying with all these Trenadrol + Something else painful cycles:
GOOD SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS ARE KEY
thats it Im making a disclaimer lol

[RisingAgainst]

trying to lean up? tren after, trying to bulk i would say tren first.

but like Im saying with all these Trenadrol + Something else painful cycles:
GOOD SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS ARE KEY
thats it Im making a disclaimer lol

Ya man I hear the good supporting supps thing. So, I'm more or less going for strength with possible leaning... So... run the second one?

[Voodoo]

yeah if its for strength and then bulk i think thats a better way to go, cause the strength will jump allowing you to really overwork your muscles and rebuild like crazy on anything else (in my case superdrol)

[RisingAgainst]

Lol, ya I sorta modeled the second one after your hulk stack... But I do love that Greek-God thing man... its awesome. haha I wish my girlfriend was that kewl... sigh :rolleyes:

[RisingAgainst]

Ok guys it's getting closer, My order comes in tomorrow. I still am open to any stack advice as far as how to run my tren/hema. I'm still leaning torwards the second choice. I'm sick as a dog right now, have been since last night, hoping to kick it by Tuesday when I start my cycle. I might push it back to Wednesday. I tried the whole "tear the green tea packet open and 'eat' it thing I stole from VooDoo, worked wonders along with extra vitamin C and Airborne. Aside from that; Suggestions anyone??

[NemisisX7]

Echinacea helps too. Good luck man.

[RisingAgainst]

Thanks bro, I just barely unwrapped my little package here, Can't wait to start this thing tomorrow. I'm still sick as all hell for tonight though. :(

[NemisisX7]

Best of luck to you bro.

[RisingAgainst]

Alright guys, I powered through a little workout here to get some starting points finished off, headache and all ;) . lol. So here goes:

Strength:
Bench1rm - 265
Squat3rm - 365
Deadlift3rm - 315

Size:
Neck - 19"
Chest - 46.5"
R. Bicep - 16"
L Bicep - 15.75"
R Quad - 23.5"
L Quad - 23.5"
Waist - 35"
Both Calves - 16"

Bf/Weight:
Steady 203 @ 15.4% BF as of this morning.

Diet will be expressed on a weekly basis.
Workout routine will not be posted, only significant increases in weight. Before pics should be up either tonight or tomorrow morning. :D

[RisingAgainst]

Alright, Unfortunately I have strep... I will be starting this cycle as soon as I recover... wow, I'm a sad man today. I will keep things posted.

[RisingAgainst]

SO, after work I was feeling fairly good, So I got a second opinion and I was told it was a flu virus going around my small little town and everybody has been getting it. I wasn't prescribed anything, so tonight I started things off with 60mg of Tren. Ended up doing arms today, was a great work out. No significant changes, just the usual placebo mindset. :)

[RisingAgainst]

Slept like a baby last night! I'm wicked sore, It feels awesome. pics will be up today!

[RisingAgainst]

Lets see if this works- Should be a back shot. ... alright I guess I'm not smart enough with computers to post a picture... any ideas guys??

[NemisisX7]

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Lets see if this works- Should be a back shot. ... alright I guess I'm not smart enough with computers to post a picture... any ideas guys??

Its easiest if its in jpg format I think. Just manage attachments, find the pic on your comp, upload and it should come up. The valid file types are listed when you manage attachments. ;)

[RisingAgainst]

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AND? (Maybe here...)

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[RisingAgainst]

OHH snap I got it to work, I will upload some better ones here in a bit!! :D

[RisingAgainst]

http://http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0214071958A.jpg

http://http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0214072000.jpg

Ok so I have a front shot and a back shot here, front shot was unflexed to help determine BF % losses. :cool:

[RisingAgainst]

dude the front pics are classic, sometimes its good to throw in the "Fat Burner Ultimate Transformation" pic in there, u gotta look a little sad, have a ton of carbs and liquid protein in your system (for added bloat) and roll your shoulders slightly forward and push the stomach out, boom, now in 12weeks lets see your transformation

LOL ya, I don't think I could bring myself to fooling myself anymore than I already do ;) lol

Ok So It's day three! So far things are looking good, no sides except a small patch of acne?? lame. But yay something to complain about. I am far from aggressive, I'm eating clean and water intake is just under 2 gallons. Strength gains.... well its hard to tell right now, I will have to keep you guys informed on this one.

[RisingAgainst]

Alrighty, Gonna go get myself beat up by some weights, I will post more on the workout later on tonight guys!

[RisingAgainst]

Well, the weights are stickin about the same... But thats fine with me for now, as long as they dont drop any! lol. I guess my only sides right now if any would be a freaking pimple on my right shoulder... and a voracious appetite... I hit the taco wagon today, 8 tacos later, I felt just barely satisfied... So ya definitely a ramp up in the appetite department. I'm hoping these strength gains come soon, I could really use em right now! haha.

[RisingAgainst]

Oh... I guess I forgot to, and need to mention, I wont be running Hemadrol with this stack, I will be running EST's Methyl Vol. I will possibly start in Week 2 sometime. Reason being - I plan on running a Hemadrol/Winztrol stack in may. So ya, my bad on the Hemadrol post.

[RisingAgainst]

Some pretty mild aggression today... I'm wondering if it was a crappy day or a side. Either way today at day 4, I felt some pretty good strength gains! I did shoulders today, and all the weights were up!

[NemisisX7]

Woohoo!! Its kickin in buddy. Have fun with this.:D

[RisingAgainst]

Woohoo!! Its kickin in buddy. Have fun with this.:D

LOL ya man definitely! I'm dyin for a back or chest day to roll around to hit it hard again.

[RisingAgainst]

Im on lunch from work... I have to say, we had to move some things around the office a bit today, I feel like superman.. I'm gonna go ahead and give tren 5 *'s for today on strength, aggression has gone down a bit as well which is also a plus. I will do a moderate back workout tonight and post more later on!

[RisingAgainst]

Wellp, nothing special about tonight... lotsa sleep lately, I'm likin it. I will update more as new things develop.

[RisingAgainst]

Today is an off day, tomorrow is a chest day, I will keep things updated. (vascularity is unreal!)

[NemisisX7]

Today is an off day, tomorrow is a chest day, I will keep things updated. (vascularity is unreal!)

One of the many great things about Trenadrol.:D The strength should be there too right?

[RisingAgainst]

Lol, tomorrow should be a good guage on strength bro. I will keep things updated, I just remember looking at my arms at work and wondering how so many veins could be in one arm... I LOVED IT man...

[NemisisX7]

You'll also notice that the pump never reeally fully goes away and your muscles will be alot fuller. Keep workin hard man.

[RisingAgainst]

I know what you mean on the long lasting pumps. SO! today was day 7... I am up to 204, I had an awesome chest workout, my chest and tris were completely PUMPED from my first few warm up benches. Strength is up, I hit 275 today. Only thing so far is my endurance is wayyy down. I was gettin under 8 reps on everything it seemed, and struggling to do so. Anyways, so far so good. Tomorrow starts my first 90mg day... I will only be running 90 for one week then dropping down to 60 again for the duration of the bottle. Ohh... and I got a comment from my workout partners wife... apparently Im slimming down!

[Voodoo]

I know what you mean on the long lasting pumps. SO! today was day 7... I am up to 204, I had an awesome chest workout, my chest and tris were completely PUMPED from my first few warm up benches. Strength is up, I hit 275 today. Only thing so far is my endurance is wayyy down. I was gettin under 8 reps on everything it seemed, and struggling to do so. Anyways, so far so good. Tomorrow starts my first 90mg day... I will only be running 90 for one week then dropping down to 60 again for the duration of the bottle. Ohh... and I got a comment from my workout partners wife... apparently Im slimming down!

watch yourself! listen to your body at high dose trenadrol and watch the blood pressure.

[RisingAgainst]

You betcha! Funny you should mention BP, I recently found an old BP machine in my basement.. I thought it was pretty nifty stuff.. lol

[RisingAgainst]

Alrighty! Today was the first day at 90, I did back tonight... Something else, I'm telling ya, the vascularity is the most pronounced effect still, with strength a close runner up, and a very slight leaning at third. Numbers were definitely up!, but the best part of this for me, is I have veins in places I didnt think I would ever get veins.. My shoulders have little veins in em now :D

[JrBirdMan]

great job so far. Keep it up. make sure the h20 stays high with the trenadrol and methyl-vol.

[RisingAgainst]

great job so far. Keep it up. make sure the h20 stays high with the trenadrol and methyl-vol.

Thanks for the advice JBM!

A quick update for the day, some very exciting stuff happened today! I am up to 207, and I am down to 14.2% bf... Its a sudden thing as well. Vascularity is still kickass and I will post more about the strength factor after my workout tonight.

[NemisisX7]

Thats awesome to hear bro. Glad you like it. Keep up the hard work and once that methyl-vol kicks in you will be one bad mofo.

[RisingAgainst]

Thats awesome to hear bro. Glad you like it. Keep up the hard work and once that methyl-vol kicks in you will be one bad mofo.

Thanks man, (even though I'm not starting the Vol til Friday :D)

[RisingAgainst]

Wow... unbelievable strength... I did legs today... I limped to my car, but every single weight was up 10-20 pounds. (except the leg extensions those remained the same) legs press was up a whopping 90 pounds?! Vascularity was also a huge thing tonight, my calves looked great! So far so good guys, I'll keep everyone posted.

[RisingAgainst]

Alrighty guys, just wanted to make a side note here, blood pressure is kinda high.. im at 136/68 which is a little above average for me.

[RisingAgainst]

Workout was good, a few personal bests, weights going up, I weighed in at 209 today thats a 7 pound increase, am at 14.4% bodyfat as of lunch. I will be dropping dosage back down to 60, 90mg was intense, very intense. Also will be running the tren for a full 2 weeks before I start the SD. I want to give it a fair chance.

[LEARN]

nice post dude I just poped in @ lunch time and read your whole log . I am looking into the whole trenadrol thing now. Might be something I might wanna do :D what were your sides with the tren ? and how many days til you move to the vol?

[RisingAgainst]

nice post dude I just poped in @ lunch time and read your whole log . I am looking into the whole trenadrol thing now. Might be something I might wanna do :D what were your sides with the tren ? and how many days til you move to the vol?

Today is day 11 of the tren, the sides so far are some mild aggression, backne, elevated blood pressure, and some drying out (water takes care of it fine) Postives are a 7 pound weight increase, leaned out a bit, strength increases are notable, most of all, the vascularity is wicked. I won't be starting the sd til the 6th

[RisingAgainst]

Ok Day 12! Since I have dropped back down to 60, all sides with the exception of a few stray pimples and some slight agression have vanished. Vascularity is still the main thing I've noticed, strength is not really exceptional at this time, but going up nonetheless. And... my belly is looking like it was hiding some ABS!

[UNCfan1]

Have u had issues with ur BP before? What was ur reading?

[RisingAgainst]

No, I never had any previous BP issues. The readings that were high ranged from 136-141 / 68-72. Usual BP for me is 118/65 - 120/70 (ish)

[RisingAgainst]

Day 13! Today was just freaking awesome. I did calves and abs as a light day, more or less to hang out. Calves were crazy strong today and my ab workout went on and on without burning out. I'm seein veins in my calves and the mirror is telling me I'm losing weight. Weight was 210!! which is up 8 total pounds, (nice considering the body fat is going away at the same time) Diet is still clean and strict. Since dosage dropped to 60 I havent had anymore bp issues. Aggression has lessened to a degree, and acne isnt quite as bad as when I first noticed it. Been accused of things at the gym due to my lifts all jumping in weight and my belly disappearing... lol Overall at the close of week 2, I give tren a 9/10.

[UNCfan1]

Day 13! Today was just freaking awesome. I did calves and abs as a light day, more or less to hang out. Calves were crazy strong today and my ab workout went on and on without burning out. I'm seein veins in my calves and the mirror is telling me I'm losing weight. Weight was 210!! which is up 8 total pounds, (nice considering the body fat is going away at the same time) Diet is still clean and strict. Since dosage dropped to 60 I havent had anymore bp issues. Aggression has lessened to a degree, and acne isnt quite as bad as when I first noticed it. Been accused of things at the gym due to my lifts all jumping in weight and my belly disappearing... lol Overall at the close of week 2, I give tren a 9/10.

Hel yeah dude, I can't wait to jump on this stuff. I thought about it awhile back before anyone here used it or really talked about it. But now everyone seems to love I have to try it out. I hope my order gets here soon.

[RisingAgainst]

Its a fun ride dude, Just make sure you wear your seat belt. lol

[Voodoo]

Day 13! Today was just freaking awesome. I did calves and abs as a light day, more or less to hang out. Calves were crazy strong today and my ab workout went on and on without burning out. I'm seein veins in my calves and the mirror is telling me I'm losing weight. Weight was 210!! which is up 8 total pounds, (nice considering the body fat is going away at the same time) Diet is still clean and strict. Since dosage dropped to 60 I havent had anymore bp issues. Aggression has lessened to a degree, and acne isnt quite as bad as when I first noticed it. Been accused of things at the gym due to my lifts all jumping in weight and my belly disappearing... lol Overall at the close of week 2, I give tren a 9/10.

heh, seeeeee? ;)

[RisingAgainst]

Hey I trusted you on that one, I was testing the waters for myself. Every 'body' is different bro. lol but ya you're just a freak... you should have a disclaimer on every single one of your logs that says: WARNING: I am a genetic monster. I handle things better than anyone else. DO NOT even pretend to want to run the things I run. Any attempts to do so, will more than likely demolish your organs.

[NemisisX7]

Sounds fantastic man. Tren rocks. I loved it. Keep workin hard especially when you start the Methyl-vol.

[RisingAgainst]

Today was day 14! I did chest today.... I set pr's for everything I did, every set I increased reps and/or weight. Today was also my first day of Methyl-Vol at 10mg. I ended up doing a lying tricep pushdown exercise and I thought my tri's were going to pop on me. So for today I give everything a 10/10... I couldn't be happier with the way things are right now. (fat reduction stopped, body fat has been steady at 14-15%) (body weight is still climbing slowly.)

[RisingAgainst]

Day 15, second day of methyl vol at 10mg. So far everything is good, the amount of pills everyday has gone up drastically since the addition but not toooo awful bad. My diet is getting choppy, not really bad, but I'm subbing a lot of later meals with mrps or a protein bar/RTD. Workout tonight wasn't the greatest, I had decent pumps, good lifts, weights somewhat up still. The aggression is kinda lacking today... hmm

[RisingAgainst]

Anybody know where to find a BP monitoring cuff that fits larger sized arms? The one I have *could* be giving false readings. It says it accomodates 9inch to 13 inch arms (supposedly the average male size) My arms are roughly 16inches. I believe that to be part of my high bp scare. So feedback on that would be superb, I start methyl-vol at 20mg today, would love to have accurate bp readings while I run this.

[Voodoo]

Anybody know where to find a BP monitoring cuff that fits larger sized arms? The one I have *could* be giving false readings. It says it accomodates 9inch to 13 inch arms (supposedly the average male size) My arms are roughly 16inches. I believe that to be part of my high bp scare. So feedback on that would be superb, I start methyl-vol at 20mg today, would love to have accurate bp readings while I run this.

dont worry about it. i dont have any problems thus far, and my arms are 17.5

[RisingAgainst]

LOL alright dude, I wasnt like trippin balls here or anything, just wonderin. Anyways, thanks man... Also as an update for everybody, I will be losing my workout partner due to his job for a few weeks, so I'm sure the intensity of things is gonna get cranked up about 3 notches or so. I should get some better results

[RisingAgainst]

WOW.... thats all I can say. I'm in awe at the intensity of my leg workout today. The weights were extremely high tonight (could be the tren??) but I was pushing past maxes with reps of 4+. I blazed through that workout! Awesome pumps, they almost scared me, I'm going to post you guys a shot of my left quad here in a bit, it was crazy. I usually have zero def. in my legs, but wow. So aside from the killer workout, and the incredible strength tonight, I remembered why I loved working out alone, its wayyy more intense.

[RisingAgainst]

Here's that quad shot I was talking about :cool:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0228071929.jpg

[RisingAgainst]

So, with yesterday being my first 20mg day for the Vol, and still running 60mg Tren, I guess I should say, I have no sides, except for an extremely increasing amount of acne... I have a freaking pimple on my forehead... I cant believe it. And the shoulders/back are starting to get pimples on them... time to break out the pantothenic acid. Recovery seems to be the big thing right now, I did legs last night, I feel barely sore at all, and that was a helluva workout. My sleep has definitely improved quite a bit as well, Once I'm out, I'm out for 9 hours. I'm lovin that. Appetite has fluctuated quite a bit actually. Sometimes I don't feel hungry and I have to force myself to eat, and sometimes I'm just totally starving so I have to stray away from the kitchen. I will be breaking my diet tonight for some chinese... I only eat the meat anyways, so its not that big of a deal. I'll keep things posted as far as changes go.

[VolPower]

i cant wait to start my tren stack run after reading this. good luck with the methyl vol!

[whiterabbit27]

hey great log you have been keeping up. my comp has been at best buy for reapair and now im back on with my sd log
keep up the great work bro!!

[RisingAgainst]

i cant wait to start my tren stack run after reading this. good luck with the methyl vol!
Thanks, hopefully yours goes well to.
hey great log you have been keeping up. my comp has been at best buy for reapair and now im back on with my sd log
keep up the great work bro!!
Right on man, glad to have you back! Keep us all updated on that log of yours man.

[RisingAgainst]

Just got home from the gym, Did shoulders... All I gotta say is WOW. I get more impressed every day. The shoulder pumps were ridiculously amazing. Great endurance, powered through that workout in just under an hour. (I love working out alone).

[RisingAgainst]

OK!, craziest thing just happened. I weighed myself. I subtracted 1 pound because I have a full stomach. So... weight for tonight was a whopping 217!!! thats 15 pounds guys... And my belly has trimmed up. So wow... I'm very impressed here. Voodoo isn't the only one who trains hard and eats right I guess (ooooo lol ya I said it jk)

[Voodoo]

OK!, craziest thing just happened. I weighed myself. I subtracted 1 pound because I have a full stomach. So... weight for tonight was a whopping 217!!! thats 15 pounds guys... And my belly has trimmed up. So wow... I'm very impressed here. Voodoo isn't the only one who trains hard and eats right I guess (ooooo lol ya I said it jk)

oh damn! i knew running em together was key!:D

now ya just gotta start shutting down so your friends can take pics of you while you sleep with your hand down your pants..

[RisingAgainst]

oh damn! i knew running em together was key!:D
LOL ya ya, I don't regret running the tren solo for so long though. :cool:
If I break 20, I'm soo gonna watch you run this stack in 2 months haha

[RisingAgainst]

now ya just gotta start shutting down so your friends can take pics of you while you sleep with your hand down your pants..

LMAO ouch dude, thats low, hella low. When I shutdown it wont matter, I have no use for him anymore.. :( haha, but when I do shutdown, I'm deadbolting doors.

[Voodoo]

LMAO ouch dude, thats low, hella low. When I shutdown it wont matter, I have no use for him anymore.. :( haha, but when I do shutdown, I'm deadbolting doors.

lol i was passed out in the living room at like noon... i guess i put it there cause it was comfy...wasnt doing anything questionable... just sleeping, like i do, a lot.

[RisingAgainst]

lol i was passed out in the living room at like noon... i guess i put it there cause it was comfy...wasnt doing anything questionable... just sleeping, like i do, a lot.
Dude, thats rough. ROFL I just saw the pic, nice man very nice. (check your pm's)

[RisingAgainst]

Alrighty... So, WTF! I'm down to 213 now.. overnight! well, I'll let it go because its still 11 pounds in 2.4 weeks (with some body fat losses). Welllll... tonight I did arms, and freaking loved it! Strength is holding steady but the endurance (rep wise) is phenomenal. I'm thinking the next 3.3 weeks will be pure strength and leaning down as compared to results thus far. If I can hold weight here I will be happy, so regardless of what happens from here out, I will be have a smile on my face. Vascularity on the bi's tonight was so sweet. Its an earthworm instead of a faint line (both sides) Triceps pushed some heavy weights around tonight, for heavier weight than usual, on the weighted dips (I use the 100 pound plate) I got 8 reps over my usual 5-6. With the 45 I got 4 sets of 8. Close grips werent totally huge, but my form has improved over what it was. Last note, strength went down on barbell curls, about 5 pounds, but the lower begining weight felt unusually light, high reps. BP stabilized at 128/71 (average of 3), so no sides! (acne excluded)

[RisingAgainst]

Still dropping weight... Down to 210... Today was a semi off day. I went in to bs with the girl at the counter and do some calve work. Nothing to special to report tonight, acne still there, water intake is up, I feel thirstier lately, even after 2 gallons I manage to squeeze more in at night. Appetite is way down, I've been force feeding myself kinda. Aggression is finally back! I was way aggresive today. Other than that....

[RisingAgainst]

Another just wonderful off day. Lots of sleep, (possible lethargy??) I sat around, ate, watched movies, and did some BS'n with friends... Nothing new to report on tonight, although I will keep things updated with any changes.

[RisingAgainst]

Incredible day again guys. My chest workout was so freaking amazing. Bench is up a total of 30 pounds, Incline is up a whopping 90 pounds!!! Basically, everything has gone up, (especially the acne) I noticed a pimple on my cheek this morning... very odd. Todays workout was a 10/10. Wasn't the most intense ever, but it was excellent.

[RisingAgainst]

Alright, so I'm unbelievably sore today. I don't think I've ever been this beat up. Hmm, so ya, I would like some opinions if anyone has them, as to why I'm feeling this sore. (Usual soreness levels on a scale of 1-10 [10 being so sore I stay in bed] I would say I'm at a 9, and average soreness for me is a 2 or 3 at best)

[RisingAgainst]

Had a nice heavy leg workout today... Weights are way way up again, the box squats left me kinda dumbfounded, they went down. I made a decent attempt at 385 at the squat rack and I would say that maybe one out of the three reps qualified as a good rep. Still completely pumped from yesterdays workout... I'm impressed.

[RisingAgainst]

Nothing new to report tonight. Sides are low, recovery is very high, endurance is getting better and better. All in all, doing very good. I'm getting a little dried out from the vol, but loving the results, detailed info to come Friday night.

[bigboy67]

dont worry about it. i dont have any problems thus far, and my arms are 17.5

where do you check your bp at? every time i try to use the checkers at rite aid or vons they always say "error.....too studly", hahahaha. seriously tho, i cant fit my arm in the cuff, i use my forearms to try and get readings.

LMAO ouch dude, thats low, hella low. When I shutdown it wont matter, I have no use for him anymore.. :( haha, but when I do shutdown, I'm deadbolting doors.

hella low? you from northern california RA?

great log, i'm gonna prolly run a trenadrol/md here pretty soon, glad to see you are having so much fun with it

[RisingAgainst]

Lol, dude I'm from northern nevada... hahaha but ya... I have a home machine, that doesnt fit my arms anymore, and the drug store ones don't fit my arms at all... lol it says 9-13" but my forearms are almost 15s... its a sad world.

[Voodoo]

where do you check your bp at? every time i try to use the checkers at rite aid or vons they always say "error.....too studly", hahahaha. seriously tho, i cant fit my arm in the cuff, i use my forearms to try and get readings.



hella low? you from northern california RA?

great log, i'm gonna prolly run a trenadrol/md here pretty soon, glad to see you are having so much fun with it

any of the machines at rite aid, i havent checked my blood pressure in a couple weeks (yeah yeah i know forgive me board for i have sinned) but last time I did it was a bit of a squeeze but still worked.. i dunno

yes and the hella thing is very norcal, however biboy uses the terms "Bro / right on" like theyre going out of style cause hes sooo socal. ;)

[RisingAgainst]

"ya bro right on man, pass me a cold one" ha...

So I finally have a side... I'm dried up bad! My joints freaking hurt this morning, despite glucosamine/cissus. (when I say joints I mean elbows). So ya, pretty sweet that I have a side, but lame to. So I have acne and stiff elbows! (shutdown hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it's getting close... hahah)

[RisingAgainst]

I'm officially shut down... bad. :eek: haha, not a huge deal I guess, but just though I would let everybody know. Acne is going away a little bit though :D. So, all in all very few sides, decent gains. I'll post weight/bf% tomorrow or tonight.

[RisingAgainst]

Ok guys... I want some answers, if anyone has them that is... I'm eating at a caloric surplus, very clean, with the exception of that one night I had chinese... I'm still running 60mg tren and 20mgs SD... I weighed in at 210 today... I look leaner yes... But my diet makes me think I should be bulking up nicely... Any thoughts/opinions?
Average caloric intake is between 4200-4400/day. Average amount of protein is beyond 320 but lower than 380. Carb intake is fluctuous, between 350-400. I would say an average of 150 for fat, all from peanut butter, fish, avacodo in the form of guac., and nuts. (of course there is more sources, those just being the main ones.)

[RisingAgainst]

Wow... Today is day 27... Well guys, strength is insane, shutdown hard, acne is still somewhat around, I think tren peaked out, It's time to let the SD hit me hard for 2 more weeks, I'll see what I can do with this stuff. The shutdown sucks right now... I happened to meet a really nice friend... and well yuh... I'm eff'd in like 20 different ways here, but whatever I guess haha.

[RisingAgainst]

well sry to hear about the shutdown predicament. But as far as the diet it sounds decent, how much cardio are you doing?
No cardio really, just a very intense workout, I'm still gaining strength and size, but not weight... I'm guessing either I'm dropping more body fat or the scale is off or something... not a clue really.

[RisingAgainst]

Guess I forgot to post the good news I had, blood pressure is perfectly normal again, the hawthorne totally did the trick! ( I used celery as well but for a short duration)

[RisingAgainst]

Alright! Helluva chest day.. I can barely type, but I feel awesome. All in all my workout today was another 10/10. Strength is steadily increasing, as well as vascularity. Aggressiveness helped so much today, it was pushing me to finish sets strong. I feel much heavier and look fuller in the mirror, but I forgot to weigh in today, I will post weight tomorrow.

[UNCfan1]

What kind of numbers are u pushing? Can't wait to start this stuff myself.

[RisingAgainst]

What kind of numbers are u pushing? Can't wait to start this stuff myself.
I started the cycle off like this (I will use compounds to show the strength gains thus far)

Starting:
Bench - 265 X 1
Squats - 365 X 3
Deadlifts - 365 X 3

Mid-point (now)
Bench - 305 X 1
Squats 385 X 2.5 (third rep still not perfect)
Deadlifts (here's the big'n) 405 X 3!!!

The most impressive gain so far has been on incline bench, a total of 90 pounds.

[UNCfan1]

I started the cycle off like this (I will use compounds to show the strength gains thus far)

Starting:
Bench - 265 X 1
Squats - 365 X 3
Deadlifts - 365 X 3

Mid-point (now)
Bench - 305 X 1
Squats 385 X 2.5 (third rep still not perfect)
Deadlifts (here's the big'n) 405 X 3!!!

The most impressive gain so far has been on incline bench, a total of 90 pounds.


Damn now thats what I am talking about.

[RisingAgainst]

AHAHAH!!!! Freakin 217.5!!!!! I couldn't bear it, so I went and weighed myself... WTF though?? My weight is fluctuating pretty bad... Hmm well anyways, still 217.5!!!

[RisingAgainst]

Alright, weight was 216 this morning... No a huge thing I guess, BP was 126/69. Today is the official last day of Trenadrol. I will be running Methyl-Vol for two more weeks, possibly at 30mgs, dependant on sides. So far, this has been a totally kickass f-in cycle. I have a great aggresive mentality, I get the goosebumps before I lift heavy, I lift very heavy, I'm lovin life right about now. I'm leaving for Vegas on the 28th and my cycle ends the 27th. I have to go to Vegas for a week for work, but no biggy, plenty of gyms there. Next question for anyone paying attention... I have tried Vitamin E... with no luck, how can I get rid of these freaking stretch marks folks? (my biceps/chest look like a pregnant belly post partum)

[RisingAgainst]

Did back today, I'm pooped... awesome workout though. weights didn't really go up this time around, but I got another rep or two. Other than that, nothing special tonight folks.

[jef2007]

ok you answered my thread about tren-x or tren:D definitly going with the tren,thats awsome your gains, i like that feeling when the work outs rock and when you buy a product that holds up to its discription..

[RisingAgainst]

cocoa butter and a cream or oil based prod with vit. e to rub on the skin for stretch marks, and nice #'s so far man
Thanks man. I have been using vitamin E oil, but it hasnt done much for me. My arm pits look all f-ed up. I have just stopped wearing sleeveless shirts for the time being, except at the gym. Thoughts on tanning them out? It's freakin hot here in Nevada right now, I could sit out in the sun for a few hours and see what happens?

[stevieg18969]

sounds great man. glad to hear it's going well. i can't wait to start my run!:D

[VolPower]

i love workingout in the heat. better muscle pumps. Im already notcing a new stretch mark from my cycle right now

[RisingAgainst]

i love workingout in the heat. better muscle pumps. Im already notcing a new stretch mark from my cycle right now
Hahah, ya... I have what looks like tons of claw marks from a very big bear on my inner bi's all the way to my outter chest. It's definitely a huge eye sore man.

[RisingAgainst]

Alright, as a quick update for everybody Yesterday was my official last day of Trenadrol. Today, on, I will be running Methyl-Vol solo @ 30mgs. *side note* DO NOT run this same cycle at any time, for any reason, I am doing this because I am very familiar with my body and it's limits, and if for any reason I don't think that I can handle 30mgs I will drop back down to 20, no questions asked. Now with that being said, I am going to do the BP thing 3 times daily now, going to (hopefully anyways) bust open the taurine I've had forever now, and increase the glucosamine/chondroitin doses I have been taking, just to be safe. Water intake is up from ~2gallons to ~2.5 now as well.

[RisingAgainst]

Although I miss my Tren already, my workout was fan-uffking-tastic! I did legs today, I went ridiculously heavy tonight guys. I hit 385 for 8 SOLID reps (I *think* I could have hit 9, but didn't chance it). So, I will have to figure out my new 3RM on squats in 2 weeks. I had more than enough compliments at the gym tonight to make me feel like a million bucks, I'm still pretty lean with weight fluctuating between 215-217 (so 13-15 pounds up so far with a body fat drop) I'm gonna go out on a limb and say total LBM gained so far is around 20 pounds. I feel very lean, thats why I'm saying that. I blistered my calves up hard tonight, I loaded up the sled and went balls to the wall with only enough rest to drop a plate off each side 5 times... So far this stack has my <3 (awwww) lol

[RisingAgainst]

Ok, I want some more Tren... lol I did shoulders today, it was fair I guess... Weights were up, but I just wasn't feeling it as much. I annihilated the shoulders tonight, I went all out on everything just to make em burn as much as possible. Barely got traps in, had a lot of dead weight in the gym tonight, pretending to be serious. Agression was insane today, I've been a real prick about things. Almost went out for chinese tonight, but not enough time, Maybe this weekend. Wellp, anyways folks, I regret not taking the Tren/SD at the same time the whole way through. But you live N learn.

[Voodoo]

Yeah the fun wears off when the tren goes away, whats the pct plan?


Really I just wanted to post to show off my new user status.... ;)

[RisingAgainst]

Yeah the fun wears off when the tren goes away, whats the pct plan?


Really I just wanted to post to show off my new user status.... ;)
Ya Ya... hahaha PCT plan is changing everyday... might skip it you know, might use a SERM.. might skip it... lol jk Actually... it seems like we're both jealous of eachother in some way or another.. I may as well copy yours eh? haha

[Voodoo]

yeah mine actually works well.

though use another 6 bromo product that isn't so damn expensive.

my god, if i were on a DOCTORS pay I wouldn't mind buying all that stuff and tossing the MAN products in there as well.

;)


(I'm just kidding, please don't hurt me)

[RisingAgainst]

Ok, so these are some Mid cycle pics of me after ending the Tren Vs a pre-cycle pic.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0316070103MIDpost.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0214071958A.jpg

And a kewl shot my buddy Carlos took of me on arm day:
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p181/LocToBrain/0309072138.jpg

[RisingAgainst]

Arm day! I was very very tired and bogged down today so I decided it was time to use my SMASH sample... Needless to say the energy was awesome. I believe NO shotgun gave me better intensity, and I feel like the pumps were 'average' for an NO product. The taste was flawless, It's koolaid :D The workout was very very rigorous and I'm totally spent, but the weights barely went up, and some stayed the same. I guess one notable mention for the night was my tricep straight bar pressdowns... up to 150, thats up 40 pounds. My weight is staying steady at 215ish. I don't recommend ANYONE using a preworkout stimulant while on cycle, I did so at my own risk and my blood pressure was checked before and after, needless to say it was elevated to 142/74 about 20 minutes after I drank it. I have yet to check it post w/o.

[RisingAgainst]

Alright guys, still on off days (yesterday to), just kinda waitin to get back in and hit it hard, weight is at 215 (still fluctuating a bit), I'm lookin leaner today than I have in a while, and I getting thickness all over, it's really noticeable as well. Today is day 35 I think, 8 days to go.

[jef2007]

keep up the good workhttp://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[RisingAgainst]

keep up the good workhttp://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
Thanks dude. I will, as always. Well folks... Since Im completely shutdown... I might start some blue up tomorrow night... Thinking for the last week I will run 1 at night just to see if I can't come back at all. Feedback on that one is much appreciated.

[RisingAgainst]

If you do start the Blue Up, plz keep us informed, as I've heard and have used it myself, Hypertest works very well, and I would recommend it to anyone lookin for a boost on or off cycle
I WILL be using blue up at 1 cap per night to counter this... BS I'm dealing with. I won't go into great detail but I'm pissed lol. My temper has flared up bad today, I feel like a dick, but hey that's life in the fast lane for you.

[RisingAgainst]

Alright guys... I'm pissed today, I got little sleep, I got very little food as compared to usual, obviously my strength in the gym should suffer, but it's still high... wtf I know. But anyways, I felt horrible throughout the day, had to work both jobs today and have to deal with some more stuff tonight, but hey, things come up.

[Sonny]

I WILL be using blue up at 1 cap per night to counter this... BS I'm dealing with. I won't go into great detail but I'm pissed lol. My temper has flared up bad today, I feel like a dick, but hey that's life in the fast lane for you.

If you are already shut down/problem etc. then I would increase the dose 2+ tabs minimum.

[RisingAgainst]

If you are already shut down/problem etc. then I would increase the dose 2+ tabs minimum.
Ya bro, I considered this as an option as well, but I'm feeling like it's not a huge enough problem to start chuckin pills down, I just want to start to elevate outta it a tiny bit, right before pct starts. I might try it though, I'm totally unsure at this point, and I have 15 minutes to decide :o

[RisingAgainst]

Ya bro, I considered this as an option as well, but I'm feeling like it's not a huge enough problem to start chuckin pills down, I just want to start to elevate outta it a tiny bit, right before pct starts. I might try it though, I'm totally unsure at this point, and I have 15 minutes to decide :o
Ya I guess I will go with two at night for the last week of my cycle. Thanks for the thoughts Sonny, you da mang. :cool:

[RisingAgainst]

hmmm, well sry to hear about your predicament man, if its trib based, it seems up-ing the dose is your best option, but thats your choice. hopefully it all goes swimmingly
Swimmingly indeed man... now maybe this was some kinda fluke or something, but I woke up with morning with a pup tent.... lmfao That hasn't happened since like week 2.... so Blue up is gonna stay on my supplement list at night for now... Oh gotta do the testimonial style thing:

"Thanks CL! You guys are gonna make someone very happy in a little bit" hahahah

[RisingAgainst]

Ok, did back today, and I'm totally dead to the world from my deadlifts... Strength is holding, weight isn't going up anymore... I'm totally burned out on this cycle. As it is, can barely stay awake, totally drained, but gonna make a final sandwhich/shake run before bed.

[RisingAgainst]

One more thing here... New PCT looks like the ALRI Bad Ass Mass stack, starting things off with JW for 2 weeks solo, then adding in BAM for 4 weeks, then Restore as the final product leading up to the end of week 8. I think this will help me keep my 'gains' a bit. I'm mostly wanting to keep the strength here. I will update more, but as mentioned previously the $$$ factor is a huge issue for me right now, went through some problems with identity theft and am still working on getting back to where I need to be. I will keep things updated.

Alright folks, PCT will look something like this:

Weeks 1-2: Jungle Warfare, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps,
Weeks 3-4: Jungle Warfare, Bad Ass Mass, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps,
Weeks 5-6 Bad Ass Mass, SMASH, Restore, Green MAG, Incarante, Usual Supps, Blue Up
Weeks 7-8 Restore, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps, Blue Up

[RisingAgainst]

One more thing here... New PCT looks like the ALRI Bad Ass Mass stack, starting things off with JW for 2 weeks solo, then adding in BAM for 4 weeks, then Restore as the final product leading up to the end of week 8. I think this will help me keep my 'gains' a bit. I'm mostly wanting to keep the strength here. I will update more, but as mentioned previously the $$$ factor is a huge issue for me right now, went through some problems with identity theft and am still working on getting back to where I need to be. I will keep things updated.

Alright folks, PCT will look something like this:

Weeks 1-2: Jungle Warfare, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps,
Weeks 3-4: Jungle Warfare, Bad Ass Mass, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps,
Weeks 5-6 Bad Ass Mass, SMASH, Restore, Green MAG, Incarante, Usual Supps, Blue Up
Weeks 7-8 Restore, SMASH, Green MAG, Incarnate, Usual Supps, Blue Up

Due to the recent financial issues, this is totally cancelled... but I will update again soon, I might end up using the sns stack I have here... We shall see.

[RisingAgainst]

HAHAHAH daddy just had an awesome workout... I am pushing 185 for 8 on the behind the head shoulder presses... Any questions? hahahaha jk jk So I have a secret to this madness, but unfortunately, I cant reveal things yet... Anyways folks, I'm gettin very close to ending this cycle, but no worries, I have big plans for the next one, and I'm sure you guys will wanna peel your eyelids to follow it. Stay tuned.

[chongo]

so dude, have you put any weight on, and if so, how much?

[RisingAgainst]

You havent read the rest bro?? sec, I'm gonna go weigh myself quick :) I have had a total increase of about 12 pounds, from 202 to 214... plus a loss of body fat.

[GunzandBunz]

Very nice. Im glad this go around went a little better for you. Too bad about the id theft. That kind of shtuff really grinds my gears. :D I hope you get everything squared away. glad to here about your gains.

[RisingAgainst]

Thanks dude, Me 2. lol. Anyways guys, like I said, this run wasn't everything it's "hyped" up to be, but it was good. Next time, Voodoo might have someone 5'10 weighin in at 241. lol

[Voodoo]

Thanks dude, Me 2. lol. Anyways guys, like I said, this run wasn't everything it's "hyped" up to be, but it was good. Next time, Voodoo might have someone 5'10 weighin in at 241. lol

youre little! lol good work man, im glad that it worked out for you and that apparently im not the only one that doesn't respond to sd

[bLacKjAcK]

Any updates on the "new" PCT?

[RisingAgainst]

Any updates on the "new" PCT?
Not just yet, I'm pulling hella strings just to get my car up and running again, the new engine/tranny set me back pretty bad. I will letcha all in on it soon though.

[RisingAgainst]

Well, did tri's tonight, was pretty intense... Weight was way up again, reps as well, I feel horrible though, I am just totally fried tonight. Anyways, great workout, still goin I guess.

[RisingAgainst]

This log is officially over, the PCT will be listed with my Incarnate log when it gets here. Thanks for following guys.