Stallion's X-Factor Log

[italionstallionl]

Got my x-factor and i am excited to get this review under way. i will take my first dosage tomorrow (sunday) even though it is my off day. i am hoping this will just get it into my system quicker. on monday i will give stats

[ghostwheel]

Good luck!

How old are you? Do you have any family members with arthritis? How much protein are you taking per day with it?

[italionstallionl]

ill give the stats tomorrow once i start the log

i do have family members with arthritis, and i think i already do have it in my knees. my doctor said it will be pretty bad when i get older, right now i cant squat without weight without a ton of pain.

[Kingdime1332]

Goodluck Stal. Hope we can get some good results from the X-Factor.

[italionstallionl]

thanks, me too bro

[max von]

Italion

look forward to reading your log should be good thanks

max von

[italionstallionl]

i got the x factor on saturday, lifted back and shoulders saturday night and took 4 x factors that day. 2 in the afternoon, 2 at night. sunday i didnt lift but took 5. today i woke up much more sore in my neck than i typically would. i dont think this could be placebo. i know its not suppose to work this fast, but my neck has never been this sore. i am running a new split starting today, it is:

shoulders/bis
legs
off
back/tris
off
chest/abs/light arms

[italionstallionl]

Beginning Stats:

Age: 19
height: 6 foot 1
weight: 178.5
waist: 33 in
chest: 41 in
left bi: 14 in
right bi: 14.5 in

Caloric intake: 3000-3200
Protein: 40-50%
Carbs: 35-45%
Fat:10-15%

*edit:fat dropped because of less efa's, dropped fish oil, olive oil, peanut butter, almonds

[Trans_Isomer]

Looking good Stallion-

Tear that gym apart!!

[italionstallionl]

thanks, ill do my best :lol:

[italionstallionl]

i will be doing my log ala wedgy

shoulders and traps

all lifts done with 2 sec positives, 3 sec negatives

shoulders really suffered today because i lifted them on saturday night and they were still really sore

arnold press
35 x 8 x 6
30 x 7

db shrugs
60 x 10 x 10 x 10

cable lat raises
25 x 10 x 10 x 8

behind the neck press
60 x 10 x 8 x 8

all of these were so killer, especially lifting really slowly, my neck was dieing

tris

cgbp
115 x 12
135 x 7 x 6
115 x 7

reverse grip flat bar push down
100 x 12
120 x 10 x 7

db extension
50 x 10 x 9 x 9

rope push downs
100 x 6
80 x 6
60 x 6

dips
x 10 x 10 x 9


didnt feel anything extra witht the x factor. tomorrow i will not if i am more sore,

[max von]

Italion

stats look really good thanks for posting them will look forward to you up dates congrats and good luck and help let me know

max von

[italionstallionl]

going to add that:

i take 2 when i wake up
2 an hour before i lift
1 at night before bed

my pre work out nutrition is
wpi/wpc about an hour before i lift in a couple oz of milk and about 6 of water

post workout
2 scoops-50 g of wpi with 20 g of malto/dex mixture with about 35 g of cereal
(i recently started doing this to see if the mixture of medium and high gi would be any different than all high)


this morning i dont notice any extra soreness in my tris, but my upper back and shoulders are still really sore.

[italionstallionl]

i just realized i made a slight mistake. i wasnt even thinking about it when i was in the gym yesterday, it was my first day on the new split and my plan was to do shoulders/bis, but i did shoulders/tris. no big deal, just gonna slightly change my split this week. next week, its going to be what i planned.

legs

angled calf raises
160 x 20
205 x 10 x 10 x 10

leg curl
112.5 x 15
125 x 15 x 15

leg extensions
112.5 x 20
125 x 15 x 15

seated calf raise (dont really know what this is called, but legs are at a 90* angle with pads on thighs)
110 x 15 x 13 x 11

leg press
204 x 20
221 x 20 x 20

bike 20 min--7.05 miles
then 1 minute cool down

if you are wondering why i go high rep, it is because i have horrible knees, and too much weight hurts incredibly bad. i go as high of weight as possible with no pain.

nothing to report on from x factor, no increased feeling of soreness, or pump at the gym

[italionstallionl]

off day today, im so glad i switched my split around because it just so happened my off day fell on the day before i have 2 exams. that means i didnt have to take a lifting day off today in order to study.

on a side note, i have increased my nootropic stack and it is amazing

now i have
biotest spike
rhodolia rosea
alcar
dl phenylaline
phenibut
taurine
ginkgo biloba

dont worry, i dont take them all at the same time, or even in the same day

[wedgylx]

Stallion, so you know...I never do 3 second ned 2 sec positives with shoulders because of the danger it poses to the rotator cuff ;)

[italionstallionl]

thanks wed, ill keep my eye on that

bis

preacher curl
100 x 8
90 x 7
80 x 8

hammer curls
30 x 10 x 10 x 9

wide grip bb curl
60 x 10
70 x 4
60 x 10

reverse grip cable curls
70 x 10 x 10 x 10

incline db
30 x 7
25 x 10 x 10


back

compound set
lat pull down wide grip
close grip, underhand lat pull down
wg--135 x 6
cguh-135 x 6
wg--120 x 7
cguh--120 x 7
wg--105 x 7
cguh--105 x 10

rotary row
130 x 7
115 x 8
105 x 9

rotary pull down
160 x 8 c 8
145 x 10

pull over
200 x 10
212.5 x 7
200 x 8

cable row
90 x 10 x 10 x 10

cut rest time between each set to 1 minute
my bis were dead by the time i was done, i could barely bend my arm
no dead lifts this week because i hurt my lower right side of my back last week doing deads

after a work out like this i would typically be extremely sore, i will see tomorrow if x factor amplified this soreness

[italionstallionl]

back and bis are extremely sore today. like i said, i would have been sore without the x factor, but i dont know if i would be this sore.

played basketball forever today, very tired, gonna take a nap....

[italionstallionl]

all in all i had a crappy work out tonight
all my lifts were down reps and weight. i was very disappointed. i think i have to contribute it to the fact that i partied both nights this weekend. i dont do it often, but this weekend was the little 500 (a bike race) and my school went nuts.

chest

bench
155 x 7
135 x 7 x 6

decline db fly
40 x 8
35 x 7 x 6

incline db press
45 x 6
40 x 6
35 x 7

cable fly
50 x 6
40 x 7
35 x 12

rotary chest press
100 x 7 x 5
85 x 7

[max von]

we all gotta let a little loose sometimes dont worry about it

max von

[italndiesel]

all in all i had a crappy work out tonight
all my lifts were down reps and weight. i was very disappointed. i think i have to contribute it to the fact that i partied both nights this weekend. i dont do it often, but this weekend was the little 500 (a bike race) and my school went nuts.

chest

bench
155 x 7
135 x 7 x 6

decline db fly
40 x 8
35 x 7 x 6

incline db press
45 x 6
40 x 6
35 x 7

cable fly
50 x 6
40 x 7
35 x 12

rotary chest press
100 x 7 x 5
85 x 7

whats the rotary chest press stallion?

[italionstallionl]

its a machine, you sit and press, but it is in an arch type motion. think of doing flyes or db press, then picture your self doing this sitting up, that is kinda how the machine is

[dogon]

Yeah we have one of those at the gym I'm working out at now. I hadn't seen one quite like it before I started at this gym, but it does work the chest well.

[italionstallionl]

shoulders and bis today

felt good, lifts were up, i was trying to make up for my sh:tty workout yesterday

bis

preacher curl
100 x 10 ( up 2)
90 x 7 x 8 ( up 10lbs x 8 reps on final set)

wg bb curl
60 x 12 (up 2)
70 x 7 ( up 3)
60 x 10

db hammer
35 x 5 (up weight, down reps)
30 x 9 x 6 (lost 3 reps on final set)

incline db curl
30 x 10
25 x 10 x 10 ( up 5 lbs x 10 reps on final set)

rg cable curls
80 x 6 (up weight, down reps)
70 x 10 x 10

shoulders

i thought all these would be down because my bis were dead
but thats not how it worked out

arnold press
35 x 9 x 7 (up 1 rep per set)
30 x 7 ( up 1)

behind neck bb press
70 x 9 x 6 ( up weight down 1 rep then 2 reps)
55 x 12 ( down weight, up 4 reps, i would have used the 60 lb, but both were taken and these people were taking forever)

side cable lat raises
30 x 8 (up weight, down 2 reps)
25 x 10 ( up 5 lbs)
20 x 12 (up 2 reps)

db shrugs
60 x 15 x 15 x 12 ( up 5, 5, 2)

good day :lol:

[italionstallionl]

about to go lift legs then do about 15-20 min of med intensity cardio.

so far today my shoulders are sore, but not more than usual. my bis are barely sore at all :? dont know what to make of it

[italionstallionl]

legs and abs and cardio

angled calf raises
160 x 20
205 x 12 x 12 x 10

leg curl
125 x 15 x 15 x 20

leg ext
125 x 20 x 15 x 15

seated calf raises
120 x 15 x 12 x 12

leg press
204 x 30 x 30 x 30

22 min biking
8.35 mi

[italionstallionl]

back and tris

back

compound sets (same as before, but im gonna save room and not skip lines)
wide grip lat pull down
135 x 9 x 8
120 x 8

reverse grip lat pull down
135 x 10 x 10 x 7

rotary row
135 x 10
145 x 7
135 x 8

dead lifts-i really wanted to do these, even though i had a slight pain in my lower right side of my back. i did them kinda lite, not to mention the weight started slipping out of my hands towards the end
185 x 10 x 9 x 7 x 7

rotary lat pull down
175 x 7
165 x 9 x 8

cable row
90 x 13
105 x 10
90 x 10

tris

cgbp
95 x 15
145 x 7 x 6
115 x 10

rope push downs
100 x 10
110 x 9 x 7

seated extension machine
110 x 12
120 x 8 x 7

rg flat bar push down
110 x 8
100 x 12 x 10

decline db skull crushers
20 x 5
15 x 12 x 12

dips
10 x 9 x 8


today i never really got tired during my workout. when i was done i was kinda disappointed becuase i felt like i could be there another hour before i got fatigued. i was there for about an hour and a half, and wanted to get out. my lower right side of my back hurts again, but not too bad, hopefully it gets better, but i think i should have left out the deads even though i didnt go too hard core on them.

[italionstallionl]

another update,

i track my food intake and ever since dropping efa's, pb, and almonds, my fat for the day is sub 10%. anyone think this is bad?

[wedgylx]

another update,

i track my food intake and ever since dropping efa's, pb, and almonds, my fat for the day is sub 10%. anyone think this is bad?

nah, you're young you dont need that much fat since your nat test is high already.

[max von]

italion

thats fine just keep you calories up so you dont loose to much weight

max von

[italionstallionl]

thanks max, yeah my cals have been up around 3000 give or take a few

[italionstallionl]

much needed off day today. back is really sore. tomorrow is chest day and sunday marks the end of my 2 week

[Kingdime1332]

Itallion are you trying to gain weight with the X-Factor, or using it for the cutting ability?

[italionstallionl]

um, i guess gain, but not much. im eating slightly above maintenance, but not by much. i might start to drop cals though just to tone up a little

[max von]

um, i guess gain, but not much. im eating slightly above maintenance, but not by much. i might start to drop cals though just to tone up a little

As i was saying Italion watch those calories really close i lost 10 while i thought iwas at maintence so i had to increse cals 1000

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

Stallion,
Have you noticed any increased ance or any other sides from the x?

[max von]

Trans when i took it i didnit notice and acne from the product remember it is nor a hormoral product so that should be a rare if any side effect. Only thing that has been reported is that a small amount of people have notice headaches in the first couple week but that is rare to

max von

[B.I.G.]

um, i guess gain, but not much. im eating slightly above maintenance, but not by much. i might start to drop cals though just to tone up a little

As i was saying Italion watch those calories really close i lost 10 while i thought iwas at maintence so i had to increse cals 1000

max von

this is true about calories...I'm on day 23 of X and I'm down 5 lbs already. 216 to 211. No muscle loss though, just a much leaner look

[italionstallionl]

um, i guess gain, but not much. im eating slightly above maintenance, but not by much. i might start to drop cals though just to tone up a little

As i was saying Italion watch those calories really close i lost 10 while i thought iwas at maintence so i had to increse cals 1000

max von

this is true about calories...I'm on day 23 of X and I'm down 5 lbs already. 216 to 211. No muscle loss though, just a much leaner look

sounds good, ill keep a close eye on them

trans-so far i have had 0 sides. no increased acne (i am the type of person that would notice too, i basically always have 1 pimple, sometimes none, sometimes 2-3. so if it increased it would be pretty obvious. no acne on my back, shoulders, or arms) i kind of dount that this is the x factor, but it very well could be; i have been able to get to sleep earlier. usually i wouldnt be able to go to sleep til pretty late, but lately i have been able to go to sleep by midnight, maybe a little sooner.

[italionstallionl]

chest

bench
155 x 8 x 6
135 x 9 x 6

dec db fly
40 x 8 x6
35 x 8

inc db press
40 x 5
35 x 5 x 4

cable fly
100 x 12
112.5 x 6 x 7

rotary chest
100 x 5
85 x 7 x 5

[wedgylx]

u notice your muscles are wicked hard while you're on this? Mine are

[max von]

guys you dont know how happy this makes me to see this sucess i proves everything that Bill has been saying all along keep p the good work

max von

[italionstallionl]

tired today...

shoulders and bis

preacher
100 x 10 x 6
90 x 7

wg bb curl
70 x 7
60 x 10 x 10

hammer
30 x 7
25 x 10 x 10

inc curl
30 x 10
25 x 10 x 10

rg cable curl
80 x 7
70 x 10 x 10

shoulders
arnold
35 x 7 x 7
30 x 9

behind neck
60 x 11 x 7
55 x 10

cable lat raise
30 x 10
25 x 10 x 8

shrugs
60 x 15 x 15 x 12

[max von]

Italion are you happy with the results that you are getting cause they look really good

max von

[italionstallionl]

so far so good.

up until today i would work out and feel like i could keep working out for hours. but today when i was done working out...i was done. i was dead, my arms were shot and right now i am pretty freaking tired. i know one thing is for sure, im gonna sleep well tonight :D

[max von]

so far so good.

up until today i would work out and feel like i could keep working out for hours. but today when i was done working out...i was done. i was dead, my arms were shot and right now i am pretty freaking tired. i know one thing is for sure, im gonna sleep well tonight :D

cool glad to hear that

max von

[italionstallionl]

did you experience this max? or did it always feel like you could keep on lifting? just wondering if this is how its gonna be the rest of the time, or if it is just the fact i ate a little less than normal today

[max von]

did you experience this max? or did it always feel like you could keep on lifting? just wondering if this is how its gonna be the rest of the time, or if it is just the fact i ate a little less than normal today

no i had the same effect i call it the exhaustion factor thats the first side of the loading fade kicking

max von

[italionstallionl]

sounds good, thanks max

[italionstallionl]

yesterday i did legs

angled calf
162.5 x 25
175 x 17
212 x 12 x 12

leg curl
125 x 20 x 15 x 15

leg extensions
115 x 20
125 x 15 x 13

seated calf
130 x 13 x 10 x 10

leg press
204 x 30
221 x 40
super set
squat machine
body weight + 90 x 20 x 20

[italionstallionl]

42 min of cardio today, could have gone for a long time, i felt great, but didnt want to go too nuts.

i got really pumped at about 35 min when eye of the tiger came on my mp3 player, lol, i started thinking about rocky chasing the chickens

[italionstallionl]

i think im going to start splitting up back and tris. after tris i was pretty beat and then i had my entire back workout to do. i also havent been getting much sleep as of late which is probably hindering my results.

back and tris

tris
cgbp
95 x 17
145 x 7 x 6 x 5
95 x 11

rg push down
110 x 12
130 x 8 x 8

extensions
120 x 12 x 10 x 8

rope pushdown
70 x 7 x 6

wg lat
135 x 10 x 5
120 x 7
compound
under hand lat
150 x 6
135 x 7
120 x 8

laying row
45 x 10
70 x 8 x 8

rotary lat pull down
175 x 8 x 5
160 x 8

rotary row
145 x 7
135 x 7
130 x 7

pull over
225 x 8
212.5 x 7
200 x 8

[Kingdime1332]

Italion how's your body weight?

[italionstallionl]

i havent checked since monday because i check it weekly, but i will do it this sunday. i do it when i wake up on an empty stomach. so far it has not changed, except maybe a 1 lb increase. we will see

[max von]

Italion

watch the weight very close so you dont have the problem that i had of not paying attention and them next thing you know im 10lbs lighter

max von

[italionstallionl]

yeah, i have been keeping track of my daily caloric intake and watching my diet because i remember you saying that you dropped weight pretty quick and unexpextedly. thanks for the heads up

[max von]

no prob

max von

[italionstallionl]

yesterday was chest day

bench
135 x 10
155 x 7 x 5
135 x 7

dec db fly
40 x 5
35 x 7 x 6

inc db press
40 x 10
45 x 8 x 7
35 x 6

pec deck
87.5 x 10 x 9 x 8

[italionstallionl]

so far after a few weeks upper body composition for the most part has not changed a whole lot.

my legs are a different story. they are becoming very well defined, but as you can all imagine they are not very big due to the fact that i do extremely high number of reps per set. calves are getting pretty good and shredded and quads are becoming more defined than ever before in my life.

[italionstallionl]

yesterday shoulders and bis

bis
preacher
110 x 6
100 x 5
90 x 7

preacher hammer
30 x 7 x 7 x 5

cable bb
110 x 10 x 9 x 7

cable alt curl
40 x 10 x 10 x 10

shoulders
arnold press
35 x 9 x 5
30 x 6

behind neck press
70 x 10 x 7
60 x 10

had to cut it short for meeting, this week is exams week. super stressed, very tired. i am very happy in a way with that workout because lifts didnt go down which surprised me witht the lack of sleep i got and the fact i lifted right after an exam when my mind was fried

today
legs
angled calf
175 x 25
205 x 15 x 12
235 x8

leg extension
125 x 20
137. x 20 x 15

leg curl
125 x 20 x 20 x 20

seated calf
140 x 20 x 20 x 10

leg press
180 x 30
270 x 20 x 20

stairs-11 min
bike-5 min

[wedgylx]

I think you're doing yourself a disservice by doing cardio after working your legs. I think you'd see much better results if you cut it out. I'm just figuring you're sending yourself spiraling catabolic

[italionstallionl]

i have thought about that, but i have also heard benefits of doing it. so far i havent seen anything negative about it, but i might see how it goes if i dont do it for a month or two

[italionstallionl]

going to go to the gym now, just a forewarning, its gonna be a crappy day. i woke up at 6 30 for an exam at 8-10, then i had a second one at 10:15-12:15. not to mention i didnt go to sleep til about 2 last night. my mind is killing me, but i need to get out of my room and do something.

[max von]

going to go to the gym now, just a forewarning, its gonna be a crappy day. i woke up at 6 30 for an exam at 8-10, then i had a second one at 10:15-12:15. not to mention i didnt go to sleep til about 2 last night. my mind is killing me, but i need to get out of my room and do something.

well good luck buddy keep im mind almos done

max von

[italionstallionl]

back and tris

laying row
90 x 10 x 10 x 10

rotary lat
180 x 10
190 x 10 x 7

rotary row
160 x 8
150 x 7
145 x 6

wg lat
135 x 10 x 5
120 x 7
30 -45 second break between each set, after 30-45 sec did underhand lat pulldown, then switched back after 30-45 seconds
underhand lat pull down
135 x 10 x 7
120 x 10

decline db skull crusher
20 x 12
25 x 8 x 6

rope pushdow
80 x 10
70 x 8 x 8

rg pushdown
90 x 12
110 x 6
90 x 8

cgbp
95 x 8 x 9 x 7

not too shabby. most lifts went up for back, and started to go up for tris, but by the end i was mentally and physicall exhausted. happy with how it went

[max von]

good job italion looks good

max von

[Kingdime1332]

Italion, I love the feeling of exhaustion that the X gives me. Is that the same sort of feeling you get where are of your muscles are exhausted and it just feels great to be done?

[italionstallionl]

yea, thats how i have been feeling. i like it too :lol:

[italionstallionl]

didnt get to do chest this weekend--i came home from college late friday night, saturday i just relaxed and hung out with my family and sunday was a lot like saturday :lol:

[wedgylx]

im pretty excited to get home and spend time with the family. This week is finals week, I have my second one in an hour :evil:

[italionstallionl]

bis and shoulders

bis
standing bb curl
70 x 15
80 x 12 x 10 x 10

cg bb curl

21's but i actually did 30's
60 lbs

hammer db
25 x 15 x 15 x 15

shoulders
arnold press
25 x 12 x 10 x 8

behind neck
70 x 10 x 10 x 10

behind back bb shrugs
80 x 30
no rest
70 x 25

[italionstallionl]

legs yesterday went pretty good. first day in the gym by my house, instead of my school's gym. actually the one by my house is not open until may 16, but i went to one owned by the same people (golds gym) that is about 20 min away

legs
leg ext
105 x 30
120 x 23 x 25

laying calf raises
215 x 22
2255 x 15 x 15

leg curl
120 x 30
135 x 25 x 20

seated calf
140 x 10 x 13 x 13

leg press
270 x 20
360 x 10 x 15


today i just did back, tomorrow instead of being off i will do tris

back
wg lat
135 x 10 x 6 x 5
UH lat
135 x 10 x 9 x 6

UH medium row (machine)
120 x 10
130 x 10
140 x 6

low cable row
105 x 13
120 x 10 x 10

bent db row
40 x 15
bent bb row
60 x 15 x 15
bent db row
50 x 10


push ups with fingers facing out (right hand fingers facing to the right, left hand facing to the left)
failure----50 reps

[Trans_Isomer]

I got a few questions, exactly how long did it take for you to notice the increase in soreness? Like was it a gradual increase or just a all the sudden super-soreness?
And how long does this soreness last? Extra long or just like usual soreness?
And do you noticed increased hunger while on x factor?

[italionstallionl]

i noticed the increased soreness after about a week of use
it is just that when i would wake up the 2 day after working out i would be pretty sore, not to the point where it was painful, but i would notice it with any movement of that muscle
i stayed sore for probably 3 days
no increased hunger for me

[max von]

I got a few questions, exactly how long did it take for you to notice the increase in soreness? Like was it a gradual increase or just a all the sudden super-soreness?
And how long does this soreness last? Extra long or just like usual soreness?
And do you noticed increased hunger while on x factor?

trans
it usually takes between 2-3 weeks when you are in the loading phase. I comes on pretty quick, its not like over night but you start to notice pretty quickly once your body has been loaded, keep in mind some people it has worked in less then a week to load.

The soreness is def more intense but it is a good sore and not a pain by about the mid to end of second bottle that will suside for you.

Some people have reported that there appetite has gone up. I personally had to increase my calories by 1000 just to keep the weight on and size growth. I had no trouble adding that amount and did so right away so kinda in away it did, but the key is to keep calories up

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

Awesome, thanks guys

[max von]

no prob glad we could help

max von

[italionstallionl]

tris on friday, skipped chest- im gonna triple up muscles today---chest, bis, shoulders

at my new gym the machines definitely feel different, on some i can do more weight, others less. the pulleys on them are different, i dont know if that makes a difference, but it sure feels like it does

cgbp
95 x 15
15 x 7 x 5 x 5

rg flat bar (this is what was way harder)
80 x 8
70 x 11
80 x 6

skull crushers
50 x 10 x 8 x 6

seated db ext
60 x 6 x 6 x 6

[max von]

good luck italion at the new gym

max von

[italionstallionl]

thanks max

today i did chest and bis, i left my note pad at my house, but all in all it was a pretty good work out. i like having a spotter and training partner :lol:

[italionstallionl]

ahhhhhhhhh

again i forgot my notepad, but weights increased a little for most things. having a workout partner really helps. i wil TRY to remember to bring it tomorrow

i have also switched up my routine a little, im going to be doing some muscles twice a week

[italionstallionl]

i forgot to mention that yesterday i did shoulders and tris

after that i had some protein and simple carbs then jogged 3 miles
i then came home and cut the grass

[italionstallionl]

chest

bench
135 x 10
185 x 4
165 x 5
135 x 8

incline db
50 x 8 x 7 x 6

fly machine
120 x 10 x 7
135 x 5

[dwm230000]

Hey, stallion. I just want to say that this is a great log. I just joined this forum and I didn't know you posted over here. I saw earlier that you mentioned you had some knee problems and so do I. I really want to give X-Factor a try during my next cut, but one of the things that turned me off to it was the increased soreness(I'm not sure how my knees will handle it.) I was just wondering how you're knees are doing throughout the whole X-Factor trial.

[italionstallionl]

glad to see you here, yeah, my knees have been fine while using it, i havent had any more pain while using it than when i wasnt. it definitely has not cured the pain, but it hasnt increased it at all

[max von]

Hey, stallion. I just want to say that this is a great log. I just joined this forum and I didn't know you posted over here. I saw earlier that you mentioned you had some knee problems and so do I. I really want to give X-Factor a try during my next cut, but one of the things that turned me off to it was the increased soreness(I'm not sure how my knees will handle it.) I was just wondering how you're knees are doing throughout the whole X-Factor trial.

I just wanted to add, and not take away from your thread Italion that i have had 2 knee surgerys 1 for torn acl and other for a petela tendon tear, I had now problem with my knees at all while i was on x-factor. Your are right that it is an inflammatory but just go slow and see how it feels

max von

[dwm230000]

Max and Stallion, thanks for the info.

[wedgylx]

dmw, my knees have been a little sore recently. I don't think its because of the Xfactor, just because of the absence of EFAs and MSM

[dwm230000]

Thanks for the help, Wedgylx. That's one of the things I'm worried about. Along with the having to stop EFA supplementation, I would have to stop taking the Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM supp I take twice daily which has improved my everyday soreness dramatically. I'm worried that the added soreness from AA along with the absence of my everyday supps would be too much.

[wedgylx]

Dwm, I just cut squats out for the final couple of weeks, but Leg presses still felt fine

[italionstallionl]

well, i think im gonna shoot myself

i left my notebook at home again, but i will try my best to give accurate weights

bis and shoulders

standing bb curl
85 x 7 x 6 x 5

shoulder press
45 x 8 x 9 x 8

standing lat raises
i think 25 by something for 2 sets

seated bent over lat raises
15 by something for 2 sets

machine lat raises
90 x 8 x 7 x 6

hammer curls
30 x 12
35 x 8 x 7

samson curls
30 x 7 x 6 x 6

preacher curls
90 x 8 x 7 x 6

those might not be exact, but they are pretty darn close. felt good today even though it is my first time lifting since last thursday. i went on a camping trip over the weekend and drank somewhat heavily. it was a blast, but i think i might have hindered my lifting.

i had my first real day of work on sunday, i pushed carts for 3 hours straight. it is a lot harder than it looks, definitely a killer leg work out

[max von]

Italion

you still really happy with your results?

max von

[italionstallionl]

yeah everything is going well, im getting close to done and will take final measurements in a few days. unfortunately, the timing of final exams and this last camping trip probably hindered my results, but nevertheless i am looking better and strength has increased

[italionstallionl]

yesterday legs

laying leg curl
90 x 12 x 12
105 x 10

standing calf
bw + 155 x 20
195 x 20
215 x 15

leg press
knee was hurting
180 x 30
235 x 30
275 x 30
295 x 30

leg ext
120 x 20
135 x 20

seated calf
315 x 20
355 x 15 x 15


today
back

wg lat
120 x 15
140 x 7
130 x 9

uh lat
140 x 10 x 7
130 x 10

low cable row
120 x 12
130 x 10
140 x 8

row
140 x 12
180 x 8
160 x 8

dead lift machine-free motion
100 x 10
150 x 10
200 x 10

[italionstallionl]

so far my job at costco has been kicking the sh*t out of me. I worked wed, thurs, fri, today, and tomorrow. All i have been doing is pushing carts for 4-5 hours straight, with no break, then i get a 15 min break, then i push carts until my 6 hour shift is up. it is a killer whole body workout, and when im done i dont want to move. im gonna look for a new job and keep this one on weekends because i get time and a half on sundays (15 an hour)

sorry no lifting news, i need to get this hammered out before i start Sdrol

[max von]

good luck italion look forward to reading you threads again

max von

[italionstallionl]

thanks max, im nearly done with x factor-maybe 2 days left or so, and tomorrow and wednesday are going to be the only days i can lift this week.

on a side note, i might get a job at a golf course cutting grass or something, so that should allow me to get back into lifting. these carts are really killing me, not only no lifting, but i am too tired to even go out at night and hang out with my buddies :cry: :evil:

[EDAWG146]

Bro, I remember those days! I worked for costco when they were the Price Club. I have bad feet from my army days and pushing those carts used to KILL ME! I only had to it for three months though-THANK GOD!
I worked for them for five years, when I lived in Arizona.
Peace!

[italionstallionl]

yep, its rough, the shitty thing is i was hired with a bunch of other people and i am the ONLY person that is always doing carts. i have not done anything except carts

today i am going to the gym. its 7 30 pm, i worked 5 hours....pushing carts, and got 5 hours of sleep last night. it will be my last lift on x factor. i will post how it goes when im done

[Brandon]

lift hard man! definitely make it a good one.

[italionstallionl]

lifting went as well as i could expect today. no partner, man that really kills me. i personally love it when i have a spotter to assist me with that last rep, it really benefits me. the entire time in school i didnt have one. now that im home i do, but today i went at 8 00, so he had already lifted. anyway, weights were about the same as last week, not too much to report there. i will do my final review tomorrow

[max von]

Italion

we will all look forward to your final review im sure it will be good

max von

[italionstallionl]

FINAL REVIEW:

weight: 178
Right arm: 15
Left arms: 14.75
Chest: 41
Waist: 33

Completely honest review
I went into this product expecting a lot after reading max's experience. I was very happy with my cycle, but i was expecting more than what i got, so i guess you could say i am slightly disappointed. i never noticed a drop of weight like max did, nor an abnormally large amount of leaning out around the mid section. I didnt realize my arms grew, they still look the same to me, maybe slightly larger, but when things progress slowly you are more likely to not notice the change. What im saying is, if someone saw my arms when i started, then not again until now, i bet it would be easier to tell. My strength increased nicely, and in all honesty, i felt my final week of x factor i was starting to get the best results. unfortunately during that week i was not able to work out much do to work, but what can you do. if i were to compare this to creatine, i would say, this has the ability to reduce bf-which i did by increasing arms significantly and not gain weight. My entire body is more "cut" and muscles are more defined, this change in appearance does not happen with creatine for me. my upper 4 abs are more visible, event though my waist is the same, i feel my appearance is a slimmer waist line. where as creatine does not reduce bf. strength in comparison to creatine-i would say they are similar, a slight edge would go to the x factor. Right now my elbows, shoulders, and knees are hurting, i dont know if it has to do with x factor-i dont think it does, i attribute it to my job because this just started to occur and i have been off x factor a few days, and my job is pretty strenuous. Finally, if it was me to purchase something again, i would buy creatine because the results i got do not compare to the 120 dollars one would have to spend to run a cycle. if the price was cheaper, i would use the x factor. if someone had money to spend, i would recommend the x factor. if they are too young for ph's and not responding to creatine i would definitely recommend x factor. i am happy with my results, especially my arm increase, and i thanks bill again for letting me try this out and wish him the best of luck, if the supp community has the dough to lay down, they will not be disappointed.

i think that covers everything, if anyone wants to know anything or has any questions let me know

[wedgylx]

good review itallian, i took my pics 2 days ago and im just waiting to get the camera from my girl so i can post them and my review

[Kingdime1332]

Nice review Italion.

[max von]

Itallion

very good and honest review, I enjoyed reading it and i am glad that you had some sucess on it. Thanks for taking the test and you did an awsome job on the log.

max von

[italionstallionl]

i forgot to say that pumps while on x factor were incredible and lasted 24/7. there is no need for a NO product while on x factor

also, my legs got real cut. very nice