Poll - Who Takes Creatine on Cycle & Who waits for P.C.T.

[nateedogg27]

Alright, There's tons of different opinion's here. I would like to know who takes Creatine while on a cycle, and who waits until P.C.T., and please explain your reason's.

[NemisisX7]

PCT for sure. Saves money and it helps to cycle off creatine, might as well do it when you're on a cycle.:D

[nateedogg27]

I take on Cycle & P.C.T.

Here's my reasons & to me I want to get everything I can get while on my cycle.

Well after doing some research this is what i found!!!

All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth, expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body. By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000 calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.



Question: Creatine synthesis, if you increase creatine intake while on AS will it help you get stronger. I had always thought it just added to the amount of water you retain ?


Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...

[ThinkinBig]

after reading that nate im gonna have to stay on creatine during my next cycle, thanks for the info bro

[SNS8778]

I wait for PCT to take it.

Couple reasons:
1. I want something to 'kick in' during PCT time so not only can I attempt to keep my gains, but I want to keep gaining.

2. In my opinion, no matter what you do or take, your body can only gain so much muslce at once. If I am training, dieting, and doing a cycle, then I feel my bodies ability to gain is fairly maximized. Therefore, I would rather wait until PCT for above reason 1.

I dont think Creatine taken during a cycle is going to hurt anything, just not convinced its going to help anything either. (Lol.....this comes from someone whose company sells creatine so I feel free to have the opposite opinion lol :D)

[Moyer]

I would wait for PCT also. It's more mental than anything. It sure wouldn't hurt to have it during cycle though if you want.

Creatine mono puts a few lbs of water on me and helps me put up a couple more reps in most exercises(not too important during cycle). It's just a nice psychological hand-off to start loading it during the first week after your cycle. The smaller the % of weight & strength lost during PCT, the happier I'll be. More important, IMO, than very slightly larger gains (if any) during cycle.

[nateedogg27]

Looks like the votes are just about split. Interesting!!!

[Marine]

I agree with moyer, it being a mind thing so I take it during PCT. Then again I only run one cycle a year 2 at most. So like Nemisis said I also cycle it. Not so much for money, but kind of like a fat kid and cake, take his cake away for a month and you can bet your ass that when he gets it again he will devour it down.

[jw25558]

I use creatine on cycle and pct. My main reason for using it on cycle is I am a big fan of super pump 250 and size on stack by gaspari. I use the size on not only for the creatine, but also the recovery properties as well.

[gbison]

Think I'll go PCT with it, just to save cash..........Im a poor boy :rolleyes:

[txcrusher]

im on my first cycle now and im waiting for pct mainly b/c i also think you need a break from it so your bodys production can kick back in. but when i do my next cycle ill still be in the 3 months that i run it so i will prob, try it on cycle also.

i like 3 months on 30 days off you can really feel it when start back.

[llllern]

both here on and off cycle

[abesanity]

for my first 2 ph cycles, i ran creatine off cycle. for my current cycle (pheraplex/superdrol), i am going to run creatine on cycle and on pct.

[txcrusher]

isnt pheraplex a methylated? dont mean to get off topic but thought sd and pp were methylated. if so abesanity need to rethink that stack.

[bigboy67]

he'll be fine as long as he bridges the cycle. oh, and i take creatine on cycle and in pct

[abesanity]

isnt pheraplex a methylated? dont mean to get off topic but thought sd and pp were methylated. if so abesanity need to rethink that stack.

i am doing a bridged cycle of the 2. yesterday was first day of sd, so far the cycle has been great!