Taurine and other side lessening supplements.

[Voodoo]

I figured we should probably have a list of supplements that lessen sides and a description of why they do so.

Since taurine is a big question with me and superdrol users in general I figured I would go first.

taurine - wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine)

"Anxiety disease/panic disorder also show signs of amelioration. If taurine is going to work, it works almost immediately. Recent studies show that taurine supplements taken by mice on a high-fat diet reduced their overall weight. Studies have yet to be done on the effect of taurine on obesity in humans.[9]. Recent studies have also shown that taurine can influence (and possibly reverse) nerve blood flow, motor nerve conduction velocity, and nerve sensory threshold defects in experimental diabetic neuropathic rats.[10] [11] Taurine levels were found to be significantly lower in vegans than in a control group on a standard American diet. Plasma taurine was 78% of control values, and urinary taurine 29%.[12] In recent years, taurine has become a common ingredient in energy drinks. Taurine is also often used in combination with bodybuilding supplements such as creatine and anabolic steroids. Taurine is also used in some contact lens solutions."

Interesting that it lowers weight in high fat dieted rats...

Now the question - why does it lessen back pumps? What causes back pumps in the first place?

[bigboy67]

some people actually believe back pumps to be organ related.

i myself subscribe to the theory like this---> PH's can cause some pretty awesome muscle growth, as well as pumps. when on PH's we tend to push ourselves further than we would if not on them. combine that with a pretty hefty pump in the lower back muscles and you can have some pretty serious situations arise in which you can be in agony.

ugh, i really hate that they put creatine and anablic steroids together like that, gives the wrong impression of what creatine really is.

i myself dont know the scientific reason it works, hell it may be all placebo for me, but it definitely helped while on my SD cycle.

[Voodoo]

well im noticing on cut compounds in the ph world cause back pumps, but in various steroid forums, people taking dianabol are having issues with pumps as well.
thus my initial idea of superdrol being a diuretic and drying out your cells is now totally shot, cause dianabol is wet.
is it possible its the kidneys reaticing to the amount of toxins theyve been filtering out? i know this sounds rediculous, but dinoiii loves to talk about hepatoxcity.
paging dr dinoiii, line 3....

[bigboy67]

well, hepatoxicity is the liver, not the kidneys. i just dont see it causing that kind of pain. the pain that you feel doesnt feel like kidney pain, which i have felt before (got hit with a baseball bat and pissed blood for three days). it feels more like a compression of muscles

[dinoiii]

Sorry guys been VERY busy today.

Will make formal announcement next week what's going on per Chris and Supergirl. The new year has brought some welcomed changes.

I will respond to this post more in-depth this weekend at some point.

Sorry again for any inconvenience, it's midnight where I am.

D_

[Voodoo]

excelent, your input is always welcomed. conversations between me and bigboy = the blind leading the blind.

[LEARN]

I'll be waiting for this answer . I know it wont just be 2- 3 words lol maybe a page will due :) always good answers from dinoiii .

glad you brought this 1 up voodoo

how much taurine should I take when on cycle and how should I dose it??

[Dizzle1]

well im noticing on cut compounds in the ph world cause back pumps, but in various steroid forums, people taking dianabol are having issues with pumps as well.
thus my initial idea of superdrol being a diuretic and drying out your cells is now totally shot, cause dianabol is wet.
is it possible its the kidneys reaticing to the amount of toxins theyve been filtering out? i know this sounds rediculous, but dinoiii loves to talk about hepatoxcity.
paging dr dinoiii, line 3....

Ok this is off topic,but I just read your myspace, Dude you're that guy filming F-ing at the Colleges, WTF:eek: ,no way.I almost went this route about 8 years ago when a close friend was in the biz doing the nasty on film, I opted out thinking I would be banished from the Fam, but damn i might have been retired by now if I would have jumped on the filming wagon

[bigboy67]

yeah, voodooshbag wears many hats, most of them dunce caps, but every once in a while you hear something about him and go, WHAT?!?

oh, and get 3-5 GRAMS taurine ED

[Voodoo]

Ok this is off topic,but I just read your myspace, Dude you're that guy filming F-ing at the Colleges, WTF:eek: ,no way.I almost went this route about 8 years ago when a close friend was in the biz doing the nasty on film, I opted out thinking I would be banished from the Fam, but damn i might have been retired by now if I would have jumped on the filming wagon

Actually I USED to be the go to guy for College **** Fest. Ive been out of the porn biz for about 3 years. I actually left cause you party a bit too much and it starts to destroy ya, but for a 20-21 year old, being paid to party in colleges nationwide is probably the best job a guy could ever ask for. Actually the name "Voodoo" was gifted to me by another guy in the adult biz when he retired, Ive kept it since.

No, I dont have the contacts I used to. Yes Ive seen some loud ish in my day. No, actually I dont drink anymore. Yes, Ive slept with pornstars. No, Ive never "starred" on camera.
I think those are the most FAQs.

As for the banishment from the family - my dad always said "do something you love doing" to which i always responded, but dad I love getting loaded and staying out late... he told me Id never be able to do it, so when I told him I was, he laughed his ass off. My mom cried, my religious right wing section of the family still to this day treats me like a black sheep. ;)

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I figured I might as well address the issue before I got flooded with random questions. Should you have more; google "Micah Coy" (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=micah+coy&btnG=Google+Search)

[Dizzle1]

Actually I USED to be the go to guy for College **** Fest. Ive been out of the porn biz for about 3 years. I actually left cause you party a bit too much and it starts to destroy ya, but for a 20-21 year old, being paid to party in colleges nationwide is probably the best job a guy could ever ask for. Actually the name "Voodoo" was gifted to me by another guy in the adult biz when he retired, Ive kept it since.

No, I dont have the contacts I used to. Yes Ive seen some loud ish in my day. No, actually I dont drink anymore. Yes, Ive slept with pornstars. No, Ive never "starred" on camera.
I think those are the most FAQs.

As for the banishment from the family - my dad always said "do something you love doing" to which i always responded, but dad I love getting loaded and staying out late... he told me Id never be able to do it, so when I told him I was, he laughed his ass off. My mom cried, my religious right wing section of the family still to this day treats me like a black sheep. ;)

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I figured I might as well address the issue before I got flooded with random questions. Should you have more; google "Micah Coy" (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=micah+coy&btnG=Google+Search)

F-ing nice, glad to see you escaped alive, that industry, though I loved it.............can pull you down to some crazy depths, I don't talk to my friedn anymore, but like you I saw some crazy , crazy,crazy stuff on the sets, and outisde of the sets.

[dinoiii]

Wow - on how this has become pretty "OFF TOPIC"


but back to the taurine considerations and PH/PS/AAS

the coupling of this compound with many of these agents, most notable SD is secondary to a few things...

lets digress for a moment

"BACK PUMPS" are the kidneys until proven otherwise, I am fine to suggest this kidney aggitation of sort being secondary to an increased blood volume secondary to increased Hematocrit and ion depostion. You might ask well, how the hell does this work dinoiii if you think its blood volume and the like...well a great % of your cardiac output need be filtered by the kidneys and there are a slew of smaller vessels within the kidney that are very pertinent (but I will save the anatomy lesson in this one).

Taurine in and of itself aids this scenario by potentiating increases in cell volume via effects in the ion-flux and nutrient gated transport.

BUT HOLD THE PHONE, THAT'S NOT ALL!!!

90% of bb's also have a simple deficiency of taurine to begin with. You may say, so what you're telling me is that correction of the deficiency is going to alleviate my symptoms, right?

NOT EXACTLY!

What I will say is that deficiency of taurine contributes to elevated blood pressure in people with hypertension. And what you get when you go on a PH/PS/AAS cycle is the potential for increased blood pressure. Limited research has found that supplementation with taurine lowers blood pressure in animals and in people. This is hypothesized through a reduction in the hormone epinephrine. Because, yup - you guessed it...increased blood through the tiny blood vessels of the kidney even produces issue with the organ tissue itself.

So, I ingest a couple caps of taurine and I am fine. Well - in a placebo-oriented world ... maybe, but a couple caps has NOT corrected the deficiency I describe above.

Most people don't dose taurine appropriately to begin with, taurine in the average 70kg individual (or 154 pounds for the "metrically"-deficient Americans reading along) should be dosed at 6 GRAMS to see true efficacy. For the average 200 pound bb, this is increased to about 7 GRAMS, higher weight...likely as high as 8 or 9 to accomplish satisfaction of volume of distribution differences.


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So - let's summarize the dinoiii-model of taurine "Back-Pump" alleviation shall we (in a cliff-notes version):

Pathway #1: PH/PS/AAS --> Inc Blood Volume --> Taurine ingestion --> Ion Flux, Nutrient-Gated Transport (Volume Correction Factor)

Pathway #2: PH/PS/AAS --> Inc Blood Volume --> Inc BP --> Taurine ingestion --> Dec Epinephrine --> Dec BP


End Result of Both = Contribution to Dec "Back Pumps" (aka - kidney pains).

[Voodoo]

ok, logical question:
wheres a good place to pick up Taurine in gram increments? i have a bottle of 500mg taurine pills, so i guess im taking 14 at a time to achieve 7 grams...

[bigboy67]

i take about ten taurine pills a day to hit 5 grams too, but whatever, withe the amount of pills i take a day it doesnt bug me :)

[Voodoo]

i was just checking.

[bigboy67]

i think they do sell 1 gram pills of taurine though, just cant remember where i saw them

[solomon1979]

i think they do sell 1 gram pills of taurine though, just cant remember where i saw them

Vitamin World has them and there are online retailers that sell it bulk.

[UNCfan1]

When is the best time to take taurine? Also I see 5g is enough?

[Voodoo]

When is the best time to take taurine? Also I see 5g is enough?

Ive found that separating the dose out to twice a day (example I take 4grams a day) has worked out alright. Granted, I actually want my pumps to some small degree, think of it to a nagging wife letting you know to drink more water..;)

[UNCfan1]

Ive found that separating the dose out to twice a day (example I take 4grams a day) has worked out alright. Granted, I actually want my pumps to some small degree, think of it to a nagging wife letting you know to drink more water..;)

Thanks for the info. I love the pumps too, I can't get enough of them. I don't have any problems with back pumps. The reason I was asking was I thought maybe it helped with DOMS. But that problem seems to be over now.
But I will remember this for my PH cycle coming up!

[LEARN]

Ok how come when I don't drink enough water or I don't drink for like an hour say that my back pumps start to kick in not that bad but just enough to feel them? After a few chugs of water and about 15-30 min the pumps seem to go away or just slow down a bit? I used taurine thru my whole cycle and dosed it @ 2grams ed 1gram in the morning and the other in the afternoon. now in PCT they are gone and I'm feeling good.

[VeXeR]

Try trueprotein's web site for powder taurine. It's like $10 for 1 lb

[LEARN]

Try trueprotein's web site for powder taurine. It's like $10 for 1 lb

I would of added that but didn't want to get shot down for the added web site ;)