First timer needs help

[clean01]

Hey guys, I have been researching PHs and PCTs now for about 3 months or so and i have decided to try a cycle out. Ive been lifting for about 8 years and have done a lot of sups as well as several nh stacks. What i need help with is deciding what ph to use. I was considering using either halodrol, havoc, or pheraplex. I know that im going to get dryer gains from the halo and havoc than the phera. I dont want this cycle to be really obvious to those around me though. In other words i dont want to put on 12-15 lbs. I would like to put between 5 to 10 lbs but no more. That being said do you think it would be smarter to do a 2 week cycle or a regular 3 week cycle? Which compound would you guys recommend? Also do you think havoc is too much to start off with?

Also i have ideas for pct in mind but i think it would depend on which compound i run and also how long i run it for (thats why i didnt post it)

[llllern]

here is a good first cycle that will put on 10-12 lbs you can do for 2 weeks and after PCT you should have the weight that you want. i did look and your profile says that you are over 21 so there you go . that to me was a goo first cycle



http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES13

[JrBirdMan]

Hey guys, I have been researching PHs and PCTs now for about 3 months or so and i have decided to try a cycle out. Ive been lifting for about 8 years and have done a lot of sups as well as several nh stacks. What i need help with is deciding what ph to use. I was considering using either halodrol, havoc, or pheraplex. I know that im going to get dryer gains from the halo and havoc than the phera. I dont want this cycle to be really obvious to those around me though. In other words i dont want to put on 12-15 lbs. I would like to put between 5 to 10 lbs but no more. That being said do you think it would be smarter to do a 2 week cycle or a regular 3 week cycle? Which compound would you guys recommend? Also do you think havoc is too much to start off with?

Also i have ideas for pct in mind but i think it would depend on which compound i run and also how long i run it for (thats why i didnt post it)

start with a halo, you can't go wrong. If you want bigger gains add prop, leaner add winztrol. 5-10 lbs. will not be the PH decision, but the diet you use while on cycle. Get PCT mapped out before you take the first Halo pill. 4 week cycle gets a 4 week PCT. PM if you have more questions.

[bigboy67]

i would echo jrbird's recommendation. low sides, decent gains, pretty mellow for the first time. while on that cycle, do research on the Havoc and make sure its for you, then after proper off time run the Havoc

[Moyer]

5-10 lbs. will not be the PH decision, but the diet you use while on cycle. Get PCT mapped out before you take the first Halo pill. 4 week cycle gets a 4 week PCT.

:) Good post

[clean01]

here is a good first cycle that will put on 10-12 lbs you can do for 2 weeks and after PCT you should have the weight that you want. i did look and your profile says that you are over 21 so there you go . that to me was a goo first cycle



http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES13


Isnt this the precursor to M1T? isnt that a little harsh so start off with?

[clean01]

start with a halo, you can't go wrong. If you want bigger gains add prop, leaner add winztrol. 5-10 lbs. will not be the PH decision, but the diet you use while on cycle. Get PCT mapped out before you take the first Halo pill. 4 week cycle gets a 4 week PCT. PM if you have more questions.


If i would do halo i would probably go with something like 3 weeks and pct:

Nolva 30,20,10
Reduce XT: 3,2,1
Inhibit E: 3,2,1
Maybe add a test booster???
I would also be running AI cycle support during cycle and possibly liver longer afterwards

What do you guys think?

[clean01]

i would echo jrbird's recommendation. low sides, decent gains, pretty mellow for the first time. while on that cycle, do research on the Havoc and make sure its for you, then after proper off time run the Havoc


Do you just recommend not starting out with havoc bc not as much is known about it or do you think its too heavy to start with? i have done quite a bit of research on it. There is a lot more info on other sites about this compound.

[clean01]

Do you think the pct is overkill?

[NemisisX7]

Oh yea. PCT is a bit much for a halo cycle. That or trenadrol will get you what you want. Tren-x would be the same thing. The tren products aren't methylated so it won't be as harsh on the liver.

[clean01]

Trenadrol: 17b-methoxy-trienbolone 3mg

Not methylated?

[NemisisX7]

................Nope.

[clean01]

................Nope.


What would an effective dosage be? I weight 175

[NemisisX7]

Right now I'm 168. Getting ready to do a cycle with methyl-vol and newly added trendrol at 6mg a day. Of course I'll be at least 7 pounds heavier and I'm not a first timer. Start at 3mg a day then bump to 6mg if you're handling it ok.

[clean01]

Thanks for all your help guys. Im still not 100% sure but i think i might start with the halo or tren.

[jimbo21]

i agree definately with the halo on your first cycle, but i would definately try something non mehylated first like previously said trenadrol.. i did a cycle of trenadrol and didnt experience any side effects except some slight aggressive behavior but nothing out of control.. i gained about 5-6 lbs and strength went way up.. if i was you i would think this over and good luck

[clean01]

Yeah im sure both would be good. I like the idea of starting with a non methylated compund but then ive heard a lot of good things about halo also...hmmmm

[solomon1979]

For a first fooray into the world of hormonal supplements, I suggest either a quality halodrol clone sauch as EST Hemadrol http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES15

Or another quality stand-alone product that will produce excellent gains such as Phera-Vol http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES14

Hemadrol is the safest of the two with dry, lean gains and Phera-Vol has the potential for some side effects such as back pumps, but will produce more weight gains(it has the potential to be wet)and help to maintain/increase your libido.

[Voodoo]

whoa whoa i thought trenadrol was methylated and trenaplex was the non methyl... you are supposed to run trenadrol 6 week max... leads me to believe its got some stuff your liver wont like (ie bold isnt methyl and it says 8-12 weeks max)

[SNS8778]

I would go with a Halodrol clone for a first cycle. My pick would be - http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/CE01

My PCT would look like:
Anti-estrogen - Inhibit-E
Cortisol Suppressor - Reduce XT
Liver Care - Either AX PCT or standardized Milk thistle
Creatine - many choices
Natural Test Booster - many options; at least a good quality Tribulus

[clean01]

whoa whoa i thought trenadrol was methylated and trenaplex was the non methyl... you are supposed to run trenadrol 6 week max... leads me to believe its got some stuff your liver wont like (ie bold isnt methyl and it says 8-12 weeks max)


I thought so also but I dont know???

[clean01]

For a first fooray into the world of hormonal supplements, I suggest either a quality halodrol clone sauch as EST Hemadrol http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES15

Or another quality stand-alone product that will produce excellent gains such as Phera-Vol http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/ES14

Hemadrol is the safest of the two with dry, lean gains and Phera-Vol has the potential for some side effects such as back pumps, but will produce more weight gains(it has the potential to be wet)and help to maintain/increase your libido.


Those were 2/3 that i was wondering about. Im thinking halo over phera though due to dry vs. wet gains.

[clean01]

I would go with a Halodrol clone for a first cycle. My pick would be - http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/CE01

My PCT would look like:
Anti-estrogen - Inhibit-E
Cortisol Suppressor - Reduce XT
Liver Care - Either AX PCT or standardized Milk thistle
Creatine - many choices
Natural Test Booster - many options; at least a good quality Tribulus


I was thinking this:
Inhibit E
Reduct XT
Cycle support from AI
Green mag
Either blue up or tbomb 2 (had great results with this in the past)

[SNS8778]

I was thinking this:
Inhibit E
Reduct XT
Cycle support from AI
Green mag
Either blue up or tbomb 2 (had great results with this in the past)

Looks good.

[clean01]

Looks good.


Thanks for all the help guys! Cycle wont start for about 2 months.

[llllern]

good luck on that cycle