Prohormones question

[Ultie]

Is it ok to take prohormones?

[NightTrain]

ok Ultie, this question has been adressed alot here lately. but i will answer it for you and maybe soloman will chime in also. yes it will show up as a postive, and the army has a strict NO ANABOLIC POLICY. but the chance of you getting tested for steroids are very slim, but it is still a chance.they only random check 2% of all samples per year. So unless you blow up all the sudden and give some one the reason to think you are doing "roids" they wont do a special one for you. hope this helps you out. NT (ative duty enlisted)

[Ultie]

Thanks... I think most of the services get tested in the same place... Wonder why the service does not put that info out more. all we ever here is how Flax and Ephedra products are banned.

[FutureKill]

When you say flax do you mean like, flaxseed oil and that sort of thing? If so, why flax? if not then what do you mean?

[solomon1979]

Never heard about the dangers of flaxseed outside of Dinoiii's writings:D . Anyhow, I agree 100% with NightTrain on this. If you do decide to use any designers or PH's, then make sure you post some more questions, b/c certain products work better than others for a person doing military fitness in addition to weightlifting.

[Ultie]

For PT, the CG does not have fitness standards. They have a weight program that they call a fitness standard. The only fitness tests you would ever take in the Coast guard would be in boot camp, if you are on a boarding team, or if you get stuck on the weight program. The only thing they care about for us is that you are either below a charted weight, or below a certain BF%.

[NightTrain]

Flaxseed, flax ceedoil, or any product containing flax is banned in the Coast Guard. Basically, somone popped positive for THC and blamed it on using flaxseed froducts for weightlifting. So, they banned it in the USCG.

For PT, the CG does not have fitness standards. They have a weight program that they call a fitness standard. The only fitness tests you would ever take in the Coast guard would be in boot camp, if you are on a boarding team, or if you get stuck on the weight program. The only thing they care about for us is that you are either below a charted weight, or below a certain BF%.

So, for me, I'm mostly concrned with gaining lean muscle. I took some time and found that the CG looks at the NCAA anabolic steriod policy for what they go by. It lists all the banned PH's and leave a big grey area of any other anabolic compounds. So, better to be safe they sorry and get away from PH's myself.
I wonder what PH or what compunds not listed would come up or atleast what could be used that would not break the rules.


So, I'm hoping that MASS FX (hope that is ok), creatine, no-explode, vitamins, bcaa's, and some good protien powder free of flax would be my best bet. Of, couse that would be cycling the products as needed.

wow never heard of the flax and thc thing before.... anyways good luck in your training and please if you have any questions, dont hold back the guys here on this board are ultra-knkowledgeable.... and i wont buy my supplements from a different site. the people at DA took care of my supplement needs very quickly and efficently while i was deployed to Iraq so they win my business back here at home too.... NT

[Ultie]

What do you guys think about Mass FX and hyperdrol stack

[NightTrain]

What do you guys think about Mass FX and hyperdrol stack when thinking about military testing?
Mass FX doesn't seem to be a substance on the NCAA banned anabolic list unless I'm missing something there

Dude my personal thoughts are if you are willing to take a chance than go for it, i think the chances of you getting "popped" are very slim... but they are still there. and if the exchange for the cost guard is like the PX then they have a GNC inside it..... if the PX can sell anabolics thru GNC then i think you could fight a postive on a peepee test and when as long as they are legal supplemnts you are taking.... just my .02 NT

[spaceclown]

When I was in people said they popped from poppyseed not flax but I doubt either would be illegal under UCMJ. Are you sure it just not the local commander (or whatever he/she is called) says not to use it. Just sounds hokey Flax being outlawed.

[Ultie]

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[egodog48]

That just doesn't make sense to me that they would do that just because a guy said it without scientific backing. There has to be more...

[sergeant]

There is no ban on flax, you can buy flax meal at most commissaries. You are referring to the ban on Hemp oil products, those can give a false positive for THC, the active in pot.

[solomon1979]

There is no ban on flax, you can buy flax meal at most commissaries. You are referring to the ban on Hemp oil products, those can give a false positive for THC, the active in pot.

Well, the Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Security and not the Department of Defense, so I wouldn't be suprised if they did ban Flax.

[Ultie]

I took a look into it again. Appearently it was a kneejerk reaction back in the day. This ban appearently came and went in the late 90's. atleast this is what I was told when I went looking for the documentation and couldn't find it.

[RisingAgainst]

What would be a good way to look into the archives for banned substances in the military??

[solomon1979]

Check the uniformed code of military justice. It gives basic guidelines for banned substances, but it can be added to, but not detracted from. This gives commanders alot of power to use it at their descretion.

[NightTrain]

well thats the norm solomon..... the vaguer they keep it the better they can use it

[solomon1979]

well thats the norm solomon..... the vaguer they keep it the better they can use it

ROFL:D , sure is.

[RisingAgainst]

Check the uniformed code of military justice. It gives basic guidelines for banned substances, but it can be added to, but not detracted from. This gives commanders alot of power to use it at their descretion.

Thanks, but, where is this available to view?

[solomon1979]

912a. ART. 112a. WRONGFUL USE, POSSESSION, ETC., OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who wrongfully uses, possesses, manufactures, distributes, imports into the customs territory of the United States, exports form the United States, or introduces into an installation, vessel, vehicle, or aircraft used by or under the control of the armed forces a substance described in subsection (b) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(b) The substances refereed to in subsection (a) are the following:
(1) opium, heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, lysergic acid diethylamide, methamephetamine, penecyclidine, barbituric acid, and marijuana, and any compound or derivative of any such substance.
(2) Any substance not specified in clause (1) that is listed on a scheduile of controlled substances prescribed by the President for the purposes of this article.
(3) Any other substance not specified in clause (1) or contained on a list prescribed by the President under clause (2) that is listed in Schedules I through V of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812).

[solomon1979]

[edit] Schedule III drugs
Findings required:

(A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
These drugs are available only by prescription, though control of wholesale distribution is somewhat less stringent than Schedule II drugs. Prescriptions for Schedule III drugs may be refilled up to five times within a six month period.

Drugs on this schedule include:

Anabolic steroids (including prohormones such as androstenedione and androstenediol);
Intermediate-acting barbiturates, such as talbutal or butalbital;
Buprenorphine;
Dradorn;
Ketamine, a drug originally developed as a milder substitute for PCP (mainly to use as a human anesthetic) but has since become popular as a veterinary anesthetic;
Xyrem, a preparation of GHB used to treat narcolepsy. Xyrem is in Schedule III but with a restricted distribution system;
Hydrocodone / codeine, when compounded with an NSAID (e.g. Vicoprofen, when compounded with ibuprofen) or with acetaminophen (paracetamol) (e.g. Vicodin / Tylenol 3);
Marinol, a synthetic form of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, as well as appetite loss caused by AIDS;
Paregoric;
Phloemate

[solomon1979]

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004'.

SEC. 2. AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

(a) DEFINITIONS- Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended--

(1) in paragraph (41)--

(A) by realigning the margin so as to align with paragraph (40); and

(B) by striking subparagraph (A) and inserting the following:

`(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--

`(i) androstanediol--

`(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and

`(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

`(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

`(iii) androstenediol--

`(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

`(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

`(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and

`(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

`(iv) androstenedione--

`(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

`(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and

`(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

`(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

`(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(ix) dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(x) *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xi) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

`(xii) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

`(xiii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(xiv) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(xvi) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

`(xvii) 13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;

`(xviii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

`(xix) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

`(xx) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

`(xxi) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxii) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(xxiii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

`(xxiv) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xxv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xxvi) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxvii) 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-1-testosterone');

`(xxviii) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxix) norandrostenediol--

`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and

`(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

`(xxx) norandrostenedione--

`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and

`(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

`(xxxi) norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxii) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxiii) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxiv) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxxv) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxvi) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxxvii) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

`(xxxviii) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xxxix) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

`(xl) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xli) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

`(xlii) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and

`(xliii) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.'; and

(2) in paragraph (44), by inserting `anabolic steroids,' after `marihuana,'.

(b) AUTHORITY AND CRITERIA FOR CLASSIFICATION- Section 201(g) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811(g)) is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `substance from a schedule if such substance' and inserting `drug which contains a controlled substance from the application of titles II and III of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act (21 U.S.C. 802 et seq.) if such drug'; and

(2) in paragraph (3), by adding at the end the following:

`(C) Upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any anabolic steroid, which is intended for administration to a human being or an animal, and which, because of its concentration, preparation, formulation or delivery system, does not present any significant potential for abuse.'.

(c) ANABOLIC STEROIDS CONTROL ACT- Section 1903 of the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) is amended--

(1) by striking subsection (a); and

(2) by redesignating subsections (b) and (c) as subsections (a) and (b), respectively.

SEC. 3. SENTENCING COMMISSION GUIDELINES.

The United States Sentencing Commission shall--

(1) review the Federal sentencing guidelines with respect to offenses involving anabolic steroids;

(2) consider amending the Federal sentencing guidelines to provide for increased penalties with respect to offenses involving anabolic steroids in a manner that reflects the seriousness of such offenses and the need to deter anabolic steroid trafficking and use; and

(3) take such other action that the Commission considers necessary to carry out this section.

SEC. 4. PREVENTION AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS.

(a) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services (referred to in this Act as the `Secretary') shall award grants to public and nonprofit private entities to enable such entities to carry out science-based education programs in elementary and secondary schools to highlight the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(b) ELIGIBILITY-

(1) APPLICATION- To be eligible for grants under subsection (a), an entity shall prepare and submit to the Secretary an application at such time, in such manner, and containing such information as the Secretary may require.

(2) PREFERENCE- In awarding grants under subsection (a), the Secretary shall give preference to applicants that intend to use grant funds to carry out programs based on--

(A) the Athletes Training and Learning to Avoid Steroids program;

(B) the Athletes Targeting Healthy Exercise and Nutrition Alternatives program; and

(C) other programs determined to be effective by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

(c) USE OF FUNDS- Amounts received under a grant under subsection (a) shall be used primarily for education programs that will directly communicate with teachers, principals, coaches, as well as elementary and secondary school children concerning the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section, $15,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2010.

SEC. 5. NATIONAL SURVEY ON DRUG USE AND HEALTH.

(a) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall ensure that the National Survey on Drug Use and Health includes questions concerning the use of anabolic steroids.

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section, $1,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2010.

[RisingAgainst]

Dude Sol, you rock. thanks man, that was very appreciated.

[NightTrain]

you da man solomon

[RisingAgainst]

[quote=solomon1979;73124]


SEC. 4. PREVENTION AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS.

(a) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services (referred to in this Act as the `Secretary') shall award grants to public and nonprofit private entities to enable such entities to carry out science-based education programs in elementary and secondary schools to highlight the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(b) ELIGIBILITY-

(1) APPLICATION- To be eligible for grants under subsection (a), an entity shall prepare and submit to the Secretary an application at such time, in such manner, and containing such information as the Secretary may require.

(2) PREFERENCE- In awarding grants under subsection (a), the Secretary shall give preference to applicants that intend to use grant funds to carry out programs based on--

(A) the Athletes Training and Learning to Avoid Steroids program;

(B) the Athletes Targeting Healthy Exercise and Nutrition Alternatives program; and

(C) other programs determined to be effective by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

(c) USE OF FUNDS- Amounts received under a grant under subsection (a) shall be used primarily for education programs that will directly communicate with teachers, principals, coaches, as well as elementary and secondary school children concerning the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section, $15,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2010.

Solomon, do you happen to know how I would be able to apply for this? I am going to school to teach at a high school level, this would be very beneficial in my eyes as I intend to coach football as well.

[solomon1979]

[quote=solomon1979;73124]


SEC. 4. PREVENTION AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS.

(a) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services (referred to in this Act as the `Secretary') shall award grants to public and nonprofit private entities to enable such entities to carry out science-based education programs in elementary and secondary schools to highlight the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(b) ELIGIBILITY-

(1) APPLICATION- To be eligible for grants under subsection (a), an entity shall prepare and submit to the Secretary an application at such time, in such manner, and containing such information as the Secretary may require.

(2) PREFERENCE- In awarding grants under subsection (a), the Secretary shall give preference to applicants that intend to use grant funds to carry out programs based on--

(A) the Athletes Training and Learning to Avoid Steroids program;

(B) the Athletes Targeting Healthy Exercise and Nutrition Alternatives program; and

(C) other programs determined to be effective by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

(c) USE OF FUNDS- Amounts received under a grant under subsection (a) shall be used primarily for education programs that will directly communicate with teachers, principals, coaches, as well as elementary and secondary school children concerning the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.

(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section, $15,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2010.

Solomon, do you happen to know how I would be able to apply for this? I am going to school to teach at a high school level, this would be very beneficial in my eyes as I intend to coach football as well.


I have no clue, but I would assume that it is something that isn't tapped too often for grant money. If you intend on following through with this, then I'd work on a really great presentaion. Maybe put a power point presentation on cd-rom and apply with that, I dunno?

[RisingAgainst]

[quote=RisingAgainst;73465]


I have no clue, but I would assume that it is something that isn't tapped too often for grant money. If you intend on following through with this, then I'd work on a really great presentaion. Maybe put a power point presentation on cd-rom and apply with that, I dunno?
Thats a good suggestion, I will be starting a new thread on this.

[Got2getbig!]

Ultie, If they do test you, the'll test for the most common ones (deca-durabolin, dianabol, winstrol, sustenon, test suspension, anavar, etc) not the latest designer ones. Just don't take a Ph that will turn into one of those steroids, like i-force bold, i think it turns into equipose.

[bigwasserman]

I am also very curious about this whole thing. I am thinking about joining the navy or Air Force Reserve and am curious to know what they test for in there, if it is the same as regular military standards like Soloman posted and if stuff like Methyl-E, or any of the halodrol clones would be detected or or they are banned. And what about thyroid stff like thermogenic thyrotabs or thermogen X, is that banned or anything?

[solomon1979]

I am also very curious about this whole thing. I am thinking about joining the navy or Air Force Reserve and am curious to know what they test for in there, if it is the same as regular military standards like Soloman posted and if stuff like Methyl-E, or any of the halodrol clones would be detected or or they are banned. And what about thyroid stff like thermogenic thyrotabs or thermogen X, is that banned or anything?

I think the inital MEPS test will be for Cocaine, Marijuana, Amphetamines, and Opiates. There will be periodic tests while in your specialty school, but those will cover the same. It will take a specific test to identify AAS and the military is pretty cheap, so unless they have intent they don't usually test for it. USCG is under the Department of Homeland Security, so that would necessarily apply to the other branches of the military. You should be fine.

[NightTrain]

i agree solomon, i believe as long as you dont BLOW UP, they wont have a reason to request for a special test

[bigwasserman]

So everyone agrees that if I join the Navy Reserve then I should be ok as far as taking an occasional PH cycle? Would it make any difference what job you take in the military? For example I plan in being a fire fighter, so would that make any difference with the testing frequency, or they type of test?

[fitzgahome]

Yes it will show up as positive for steroids, but I took M1T while I was downrange in 04'-05' and gained about 40lbs. in that year. My commander never said anything to me about it b/c he looked at it as trying to better myself for me and the Army. Plus at the time I didn't know anything about prohormones and about two weeks after I started taking them I started to feel pumped all the time, that's when I found out I probably wasn't supposed to be takimg them. At the time, I figured I'd take them anyway b/c I could have been dead the next day so I decided if that's what made me happy at the time then so be it. In any case the Army doesn't test for steroids that much anyway.

[bigwasserman]

Yes it will show up as positive for steroids, but I took M1T while I was downrange in 04'-05' and gained about 40lbs. in that year. My commander never said anything to me about it b/c he looked at it as trying to better myself for me and the Army. Plus at the time I didn't know anything about prohormones and about two weeks after I started taking them I started to feel pumped all the time, that's when I found out I probably wasn't supposed to be takimg them. At the time, I figured I'd take them anyway b/c I could have been dead the next day so I decided if that's what made me happy at the time then so be it. In any case the Army doesn't test for steroids that much anyway.

Ok, thannks for the inpuyt there. So basically what I am gathering is that inthe military as far as steroid or PH testing goes, the only time they will test you for that is if they are under STRONG suspesion that you are doing it, right? And it is the same in the active military as it is in the Reserve, and it doesnt matter what job y ou hold, the testing standards are the same across the board? is that correct?

now, the only thing I can say about what fitz just said, is that prohormones didnt get put on the schedule IV list until January of 04, so with that being said and the dates you gave would it have made a difference if they did or didnt test you because if I read correctly it looks like the time frame you are talking about they were still legal, right?

[solomon1979]

Ok, thannks for the inpuyt there. So basically what I am gathering is that inthe military as far as steroid or PH testing goes, the only time they will test you for that is if they are under STRONG suspesion that you are doing it, right? And it is the same in the active military as it is in the Reserve, and it doesnt matter what job y ou hold, the testing standards are the same across the board? is that correct?

now, the only thing I can say about what fitz just said, is that prohormones didnt get put on the schedule IV list until January of 04, so with that being said and the dates you gave would it have made a difference if they did or didnt test you because if I read correctly it looks like the time frame you are talking about they were still legal, right?

No everything that was listed was an addition to UCMJ. They can always add to, but they can never subtract from military law. Meaning they can tack stuff on to an existing law, but they won't take away from one, so that they cannot prosecute you. Everything that was listed is against UCMJ and they will nail you by the nuts if they can. You haven't even signed up yet, you'll be okay.

[NightTrain]

Ok solomon check out what i stubbled across today in my wasting of goverment time at work.... lol actually i was searching for something and came across this..... this should answer all the damn questions we keep getting. 'Train



PROCEDURES FOR COMMANDERS TO REQUEST TESTING FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS
When a Commander suspects an individual of using anabolic steroids, he/she must consult with the staff judge advocate. Steroid testing may be requested on individuals for probable cause (PO) ONLY; random testing or unit sweeps will not be accepted.



there is more but i feel a little uncomfortable posting it on an open site, but it basically answers all the above questions, PM me if you have any questions SOLO

[Got2getbig!]

Just do it...

[82ndairborne]

Im going into the USAF, I have MEPS coming up, and I want to be able to pass the drug/blood test they do, what Prohormone should I use. Like I said I want to be able to pass the drug test. Thanks,

-82ndairborne

[solomon1979]

Im going into the USAF, I have MEPS coming up, and I want to be able to pass the drug/blood test they do, what Prohormone should I use. Like I said I want to be able to pass the drug test. Thanks,

-82ndairborne

Are you switching from the Army to the Airforce? BTW, I think you'll pass every test at MEPS with any AAS running in your system. They only test for recreational things and narcotics. AAS tend te be over looked at MEPS, b/c testing for them is very expensive.

[82ndairborne]

Page 5 is mine!!!

No my brother is in the ARMY, That explains my name, he is infantry airborne. I just look up to him :) Are you sure, I want to be sure on this one because I dont want to go in, and get flaged because I took a prohormone lol. Whats the best prohormone out there?

Thanks,

-82ndairborne

[solomon1979]

No my brother is in the ARMY, That explains my name, he is infantry airborne. I just look up to him :) Are you sure, I want to be sure on this one because I dont want to go in, and get flaged because I took a prohormone lol. Whats the best prohormone out there?

Thanks,

-82ndairborne

I'm sure about the testing the portion. I used to do the unit testing when I was in the 82d Airborne, if that makes you feel any better. Anyhow, recommendations come after we get stats.....
Age-
Height-
Weight-
Goals-

[NightTrain]

Are you switching from the Army to the Airforce? BTW, I think you'll pass every test at MEPS with any AAS running in your system. They only test for recreational things and narcotics. AAS tend te be over looked at MEPS, b/c testing for them is very expensive.

AGREEDED............ once again SOLO, sound advice

[82ndairborne]

I'm sure about the testing the portion. I used to do the unit testing when I was in the 82d Airborne, if that makes you feel any better. Anyhow, recommendations come after we get stats.....
Age-
Height-
Weight-
Goals-

20 years old
5'8
135lbs
Goals: I want to gain 20 more lbs. I dont have big goals

Thanks,

-82ndairborne

[GermanFreak]

eat right and train hard, no need to introduce ph's into your body at your age.

[82ndairborne]

Do you have a reason?

[NightTrain]

most people will agree with GF here.... you are still growing and at your peak as far as test prodiction goes, give it a couple of years and then try the PHs...... right now just eat, eat, eat, go to the gym ans did i mention eat..... you are 2 inches shorter than i was when i joined the service, we weighed about the same, i was 132lbs. during basic and AIT(advanced individual training) i gained 40 pounds, of which i kept 20. this was all natural, i dont know how intense AF basic and training is but if you want to gain you will and we dont think your body needs the extra test production at your age..... take care friend, and God bless you for stepping up to serve your country in this time of need. 'Train

[82ndairborne]

thanks for all your help!!!

[NightTrain]

your very welcome, hope we helped