Congressional Hearings : Post Here

[ghostwheel]

If you have comments on how the hearings are going, please post them here. Just curious as to what people think as the hearings are unfolding. :)

[ghostwheel]

I found one interestin idea put forward with regard to mandatory chemical markers that could be detected after use to isolate sources and manufacturers. How you could get someone to mark an illegal product is beyond me.
:roll:

[italionstallionl]

i loved it when the baseball players were giving their introductory speaches and mark mcguire, raphael palmerro and curt shilling were all ripping on jose canseco's credibility. they all said that this guy is only in it for the money.

[tommy79]

one thing i hope does not come out of this whole steroid obsession
that america is going through right now, is taking away or putting
some kind of strict regulations on supplements. I listened to alot
of the hearing and there was some talk about the supplement industry
and how to get more control over diff types of supplements.

if i owned a supplement company or was involved in the business
im telling you id have to be a little nervous right now

[wedgylx]

i loved it when the baseball players were giving their introductory speaches and mark mcguire, raphael palmerro and curt shilling were all ripping on jose canseco's credibility. they all said that this guy is only in it for the money.

agreed, it was great. Canseco is a peice of garbage.

I loved Schilling til he started talking about the supplement industry.

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but these parents are dead wrong. The steroids didnt cause the feelings thier sons had to kill themselves, the feelings caused the steroids! Obviously thier sons were depressed/had low self-esteem already or they wouldnt have felt the need in high school to use steroids.

Poor Maguire, if he really did only use prohormones (which i might believe) he's being banged for no reason. He's being ridiculed and ruined for using a legal supplement! It wasnt against MLB rules let alone laws of the gov't!

[ghostwheel]

OK here is my rant De Jour:

Professionals are always in it for the money.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Canseco just didn't leave the game with much as some others so he needs some more than McGuire. If he wrote a book for money, that just means he is a pro bookwriter.

Either way the main issue (with regard to Canseco) should be whether it was truthful or not, not what peopel think about him for writing it.

He wrote the book for the the money, the others did roids for the money, the teams looked the other way for the money, the commisioner didn't do anything because everybody was making money.

:idea: The only valid reason (IMO) for banning andro and roids is because more and more high school kids across the nation were doing it and IF the statics shows that it was growing in that age group, well it is really so bad for us 40 and over guys to have to give it up to keep it out of the kids hands? I have only done a few cycles with good results and I am sure the best supplement makers will come up with new stuff to sell that works in a safer manner, if not quite as well. In our free society (and freedom is important) if us old guys can get it so can the young kids.

AS far as the kid who went to mexico to buy roids, well that was just stupid, and they can't pass a law against that.

[italionstallionl]

the others did roids for the money, the teams looked the other way for the money, the commisioner didn't do anything because everybody was making money.


i know some pros did roids, but who are you talking about...sammy sosa, raffy palmero, maguire, frank thomas? or are you talking about other pros not at the hearing

[ghostwheel]

I don't follow it close enough to know who did what, but I imagine you just look at who put on 25 -50 extra pounds from one season to the next and there is your answer. They were already pro athletes so what changed? Some of those baseball players have crazy massive forearms, just like the hockey player have massive quads. You think maybe?

[pbk]

WOW! This is a great thread. Thanks italionstallionl for pointing me here (from the post I started under the section "Off Topic" titled "Congressional Hearings on Steroid Use In Baseball...A Farce". I don't think that I have visited this section before now. Otherwise, I would placed my comments here instead. This seems like the right place.

After reading the posts on this thread, I nearly agree with most everything that has been said so far. My feelings may even go somewhat stronger than some, as I am no fan of the AMA, FDA, freedom interfering Congressmen, and tremendous power and influence that the pharmaceutical industry is applying to reduce or eliminate my freedom to choose natural supplements and or sports supps, ie., PH's. If I were Chris, and the many other owners of nutritional stores and manufactures of supps, I would be VERY CONCERNED and fighting mad. Well, heck, I am pretty darn fed up with all this BS.

To make it a little easier for those that did not see my other thread, I am copying it here, below.

"Congressional Hearings on Steroid Use In Baseball...A Farce"

"I for one am sick and tired of hearing and reading about the Congressional hearings on steroids in baseball, as if our representatives do not have far more serious issues to tackle. Come on already, with due respect to those families that lost their children, said to be the fault of steroids, how many actual known cases of death can be directly associated to steroid use. By huge contrast, how many deaths or serious health conditions can be directly attributed each year to the misuse, over prescribing, etc,, etc., of prescription medicines (aka, DRUGS!)? How many deaths or serious health problems have ever been associated to the PH's that were recently banned in comparison to prescription drugs. And how many deaths have ever been attributed to the use of vitamin and herbal supplements compared to the "drug" industry?

I am not condoning the use of "illegal steroids", but I do believe this should have been left in the hands of doctors to prescribe and monitor, instead of creating another black market, where "kids" can get there hands on anything if they want to. And anybody that knows even just a little about all this, knows that there is much more danger from the pharmaceutical industry than there is from PH's, or even properly monitored steroid use. I have never used steroids, but all the evidence tells me this is the case...IMO.

The drug companies together are one of the most powerful economic forces in the world. Do not believe that they do not have a lot to do with what is going on in the world today, concerning the control and use of vitamins and herbal remedies. Congress, on the other hand, well, they do love the publicity, don't they. Such as the case with the current hearings.

I think enough has been done and said in the media already, concerning steroids. If it was a problem in baseball, that is the past. As a country, and as our representatives, Congress needs to focus on the many much more serious issues that face us as a nation, and the world in general. Let MLBB take care of this, as with all the negative publicity, they have certainly taken steps to do so. Frankly, it really does not bother me if Mark McGwire or Barry Bonds took steroids in the past. I am sure it happened in many other sports as well. As far as I am concerned that is their business. The ridiculously high salaries of athletes these days and cost of a ticket to a professional sports event is, to me, more bothersome.

One final thing about the drug industry. This rant is in no way meant to take away from the many good things they have brought out and the new discoveries. But if congress wants to use some valuable time, why not look into all the problems with the drug companies, AMA, the FDA, and health insurance. The US is one of only two or three countries that allow TV ads for drugs. Think about that. It's no wonder that so many people in this county are on drugs that do them more harm than good, when so many of these problems could successfully be treated with proper diet, and vitamin/herbal supplementation. But this is exactly what the drug companies do not want to happen. Right!?"

[EDAWG146]

It's all bullshit! If Barry didn't start doing his thing this shit wouldn't be this big! Like Canseco said,"It'll turn a bad ball player good, a good player great and a great player ridiculous". Steroids turned Bonds into superman in regards to baseball. McGuire didn't come close to what Bonds is doing, and he was juicin' far longer than Bonds was. This shit goes way back to Lynny Dykstra days. Canseco is a dick for droppin' dimes, but come on guys, if they look really hard, they will have to re-write a lot of records, from world series wins on down to individual shit. That's why Bud don't want to **** with the past, he wants to start from now. It's straight up hyprocisy and it's sad. 20 years at least, steroids and baseball, at least.
And check yourself, look at old footage, check guys like the great Clemens, Brady Anderson, Brett Boone, Jeff Bagwell... look at how they grew, literally.
Peace!

[ghostwheel]

The funny line from the hearings was McGuire's "I am not here to talk about the past". Absolutely hilarious.

Hey Scott Peterson and/or OJ Simpson, did you kill your wife? "I am not here to talk about the past"

Why they let him get by with that line is beyond me.

[max von]

i loved it when the baseball players were giving their introductory speaches and mark mcguire, raphael palmerro and curt shilling were all ripping on jose canseco's credibility. they all said that this guy is only in it for the money.

agreed, it was great. Canseco is a peice of garbage.

I loved Schilling til he started talking about the supplement industry.

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but these parents are dead wrong. The steroids didnt cause the feelings thier sons had to kill themselves, the feelings caused the steroids! Obviously thier sons were depressed/had low self-esteem already or they wouldnt have felt the need in high school to use steroids.

Poor Maguire, if he really did only use prohormones (which i might believe) he's being banged for no reason. He's being ridiculed and ruined for using a legal supplement! It wasnt against MLB rules let alone laws of the gov't!

wedg

you know the bad part about the kid thing is that the number of kids is only 4 that have commited suicide now all suicides are tragedy but when are they going to look at drugs like zoloft that has been shown to cause suicidal and possible homicidal effect look at the kid that killed his grandparent he tried it. Unfortunatly suicide by juveniles is a true tragedy and i see it several tomes a month as a police officer and believe me it is never a nice situation but to blame it on drugs is ridiculous if you looked at the kids it does much deeper then just meds

max von

[italionstallionl]

i agree max and wed. i have never known anyone to try or even want to commit suicide. let me re-phrase. none of my friends have ever tried or wanted to commit suicide. my sister's friends on the other hand are different. she is a junior in college at u of illinois chicago and is majoring in theater or drama (dont know what the difference is, she is an actress). anyway, she has her friends over a lot when we are both home, and honestly, all of these kids seem really "off" to me. they are all strange imo. then, a few weeks ago i hear that 3 of them tried to kill themselves. these three were not all in the same "group". one was from her highschool, one an old friend, and one a college friend, but they are all actors. they are all also taking meds, and some people contribute this to the meds. but as a topic sometimes discussed at dinner, my family has decided that the drugs did not do this, these kids have always been, like i said, "off" and the drugs might have added a little fuel to the fire, but in noway did they make these people get the idea to kill themselves

[ghostwheel]

:idea:
I think at some vunerable time in everyone's rebelious youth, suicidal thoughts may briefly enter into ones mind. It is just that 99.99% of people don't act on it and just redirect those thoughts into some other form of rebellion. At some time in everyone's life we face down death in some form, and usually come out stronger for it. Not being afraid to die is the flip side of living life to it's full potential.

Ying-Yang.

[ghostwheel]

I found it interesting that Ampedimenes are the most abused drug amoung baseball players. I guess it helps focus the mind on those fastballs at 95mph. The commisioner has added that to his 3 strikes proposal to the union.

[ghostwheel]

Palmiero from th Baltimore Orioles tagged out after wagging his finger at the congressional panel ala Bill Clinton and stating "I never took steroids".

Someone spike his water? :shock: Or did he juice? :wink:

[max von]

I think the funny part is that the steroid that he is accused of taking as of this morning as reported in the New york post is winstrol. Over the counter supplement as he is claiming maybe, time to watch over the counters if you know what I mean :lol: :lol:

max von

[ghostwheel]

On MSNBC yesterday, Jose Canseco said that although the actual steroid goes through your system quickly, the METABOLITES that they test for stay in the system a lot longer. Does anyone have specific info on this? I don't recall anything from lewellyn's Anabolics 2005 book about METABOLITES created by the body after injecting steroids.
:?:

[ghostwheel]

Dave letterman's top two reasons the Yankees failed make it out of the first round of the playoffs:

#2: How could they possibly field a winning team with a budget of only $200 million.

#1: Giambi lost his lucky syringe

[Wes Carnegie]

Well guys. The problem is that everybody is pointing fingers and it gives everybody in the spotlight time to cover up their own bullshit. Sure Canseco started it, but he is far more honest that EVERYBODY ELSE that has been to testify. Bonds denied it for years...... until he got caught. Mark said---------It's the creatine.... Okay, prohormones....Uh, no comment.

They are pro athletes. Far more of them juice than any one really knows. It's just part of the game now. God only knows what would happen if this carried over into football. I've played baseball up until I went to college, and I have yet to see a first-baseman with naturally + 20 arms. Heavy weight lifting is just not nessecarry for the sport.

The bottom line about roids is- They are not illegal because they are bad for you, they are illegal because people are generally stupid.

Wes Carnegie

[ghostwheel]

I see some people from BALCO got sentenced. One guy got 8 months with 4 of that on a monitored release program.

ALSO read that Patrick Arnold's office was RAIDING BY FEDERAL AGENTS LAST MONTH!!!

Just following the news...

[Clayton South]

I wrote an article series on this...am I allowed to post an external link to it in the forum here?

Thanks!

-Clayton South
Industry Writer
ISSA Certified Specialist in Performance Nutrition

[ghostwheel]

just post the article not the link. (copy & paste)

[Founder]

I wrote an article series on this...am I allowed to post an external link to it in the forum here?

Thanks!

-Clayton South
Industry Writer
ISSA Certified Specialist in Performance Nutrition

Clayton,
Please post your articles as text within the forum under the open article section. We appreciate your contribution.