PCT favorites...

[JrBirdMan]

planning my next PCT guys wanted to see what everyone has had either good or bad experience with...

CL white blood OR DS activaTe?

DS rebound reloaded with or without an ATD?

by the way, I know what an atd is and how to use it but what the heck does ATD stand for?

[dinoiii]

hehe - JrBirdMan,

Products you ask of:
(1) CL WB: good product overall, there are products that are dosed heavier, same ingredients...it depends on what you want...for the money and to kep the vascular look you may tend to lose with the decreased blood volume post-cycle, it would be an ok addition (no sides, et al at this time reported with its use)
(2) DS ActivaTe: Have discussed my own trials with this product and what happened to my hormonal profile (not run during PCT, however)....currently, we are testing various Nettle products in PCT (with complete lab work)...currently, I do NOT recommend the addition of this product for the average user on multiple accounts during PCT, great product otherwise and new prostate data would suggest it to even top a non-hormonal stack for times other than PCT, however, I would be a little apprehensive during a time when you are trying to regain hormonal control
(3) DS Rebound Reloaded: Certainly a better product than the original, they have made up for some of the "deficits" I saw with the original. For the most part, addition of such products (ATD) still have pro-estrogenic activity potential though




many people likely wouldn't have the guts to ask what ATD stands for...I commend you.

btw:
ATD -
androstat-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione

[JrBirdMan]

thanks dino. I know I asked you this on another thread, but before I forget, are we going to get you in a chat room type discussion?

DA's 10 week stack has hypertest, any thoughts on using hypertest vs. CL blue up?

[bigboy67]

....currently, we are testing various Nettle products in PCT (with complete lab work)

we? lab work? testing? dinoiii supps? i want the truth, and i want to guinea pig Dana's supps (shameless self promotion). i havent been this excited and in the lurch since i was 16 and GNC came out with liquid creeatine mono (although i hope the result is different than my GNC experience :D )

[dinoiii]

Your answer will be posted in 2 parts...first for the on-looker, I will post comparative data.

HYPERTEST

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 4 Capsules
Servings per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
HyperLH™ Complex 1000mg
Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris (80% Saponins, 40% Protodioscin), Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris (60% Saponins, 20% Protodioscin)
HyperFT™ Complex 1285mg
Avena Sativa (Standardized Avenacosides A & B), Eurycoma Longifolia (100:1), Urtica Dioica, Maca Root, ZMA™, Epimedium, Chrysin, Cnidium Monnieri, Vitamin B-6, Bioperine™
Hyper Adaptogenic Complex™ 475mg
Eleuthero Root, Ashwagandha Root, Rhodiola Rosea (3%)


Vs.

BLUE-UP (reg)

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
Blue Up Complex 1100mg
Tribulus Terrestris (Extracted for 80% Steroidal Saponins and 30% Protodioscin)
Avena Sativa (Extracted for 15% Avenacosides A & B)
Eurycoma Longifolia (Longjack Extracted for 28% Bioactive Glyco Peptides, 40% Glyco Saponins and 30% polysaccharides)
Blue Stim Complex 255mg
Natural Caffeine
Pausinytalia Yohimbe Bark Extract (6.5 mg Yohimbine)


BLUE-UP (Stim Free)

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
Blue Up Test Complex 1100mg
Tribulus Terrestris (Extracted for 80% Steroidal Saponins and 30% Protodioscin)
Avena Sativa (Extracted for 15% Avenacosides A & B)
Eurycoma Longifolia (Longjack Extracted for 28% Bioactive Glyco Peptides, 40% Glyco Saponins and 30% polysaccharides)

[dinoiii]

There are different pros and cons to either product. I would be curious about their extraction process of Eurycoma.

Nonetheless, in the grand scheme - Blue-UP is a bit more versatile with less pills needed, which may offer the consumer the potential for better upheld compliance. The price is better on the CL product - granted you get 120 pills with the Axis, however, you have to take 1/2 the tally with the CL product. It may be as simple as compliance and pricetag if buying it outside of an already pre-designed stack like DA offers, but as it already comes conveniently in that stack....the Axis product has a couple more ancillaries when stacked head to head and the trib and eury tallies look to outnumber the CL product....again this may come down to a number of pills argument...make sense?

Simple product commentary:
It likely depends more on what you are looking for. Standardizations are similar...the Axis product suggests more protodioscin overall

[dinoiii]

chat event:

like I had said before, I was approached with doing a chat event for another forum...if this is an inherent interest here, I would by all means be willing...a time and date TBD.

[JrBirdMan]

Looked into the alpha male also by biotest. It looks good also I like the cycling idea, alpha for 5 days then a trib on other 2.

please give as much notice as you can about the chat session. I'm sure you'd get a good turn out. I'll definately be in attendance.

[dinoiii]

Done:

http://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56845#post56845

[bmw71285]

Dinoii, I was just reading thru ur different series on pct. I'm just a little confused on one thing in particular, are you for or against Nolva in ur pct?

[dinoiii]

Yeah, I suppose that is confusing...likely because the whole series has thus far not been completely posted and the answer to such a potentially "heated" debate may find more of a widescale answer when PCT:ACV V goes up - The "In Practice" Piece on the post-cycle pharmaceutics.

For now, assume my stance is as follows:
Nolva is a cycle-specific choice. The unfortunate undertaking with its employment during short C17 alkylated agent runs is that the serious shortcomings often not referenced by those that preach simple SERM usage for virtually ANY cycle is haphazard. Again, this would be one of those stemmings of "domino" expressed in the early parts of that series' writing. This agent's employment does, in effect, have its place...but the virtual judicious use as suggested is a load of crap (yeah, there's nothing scientific about that statement, I realize!).

[lionelxxl]

Bumping this up.. 6-7 months have passed and i'd like to see if anybody would add anything to the list of PCT Favorites..

planning my next PCT guys wanted to see what everyone has had either good or bad experience with...

CL white blood OR DS activaTe?

DS rebound reloaded with or without an ATD?

by the way, I know what an atd is and how to use it but what the heck does ATD stand for?

[JrBirdMan]

well mine are a little different. I liked blue up but I like hypertest just a little more. here's my plan for next time:

hyper2/mass/retain2/hypertest/I3C/SAMe/regulars. possible fish, hawthorne depending on PH choices:cool:

[thebigt]

dinoii, now that da carries it, maybe you would give us you thoughts on formestane on cyle ond pct. was wondering why the use of formestane never came up, then i realized how much da frowns on conversations about products they dont carry.

[lionelxxl]

dinoii, now that da carries it, maybe you would give us you thoughts on formestane on cyle ond pct. was wondering why the use of formestane never came up, then i realized how much da frowns on conversations about products they dont carry.

An article will be up soon.. D promises.. I'd look for it today/tomorrow and kick his ass if its not.

[thebigt]

wow thats pretty aggressive from someone quoting the tao. dinoii is like nature he doesnt hurry.:D

[lionelxxl]

wow thats pretty aggressive from someone quoting the tao. dinoii is like nature he doesnt hurry.:D

I kinda agree.. you never know..! :)

[dinoiii]

I kinda agree.. you never know..! :)

Well, that dinoiii sure does have a lot more going on than can always be let in on...especially at what I am at the liberty to discuss on this board (in case it is interpreted wrong or as potential advertisement), but I assure you I did start an article that now stretches 6 WORD typed pages (inclusive of references) and it has become just that...an article rather than post, etc...

Based on my desires to perfect it, you can expect an August 10 release with edition two of my newsletter. Thanks for the interest.


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[thebigt]

Well, that dinoiii sure does have a lot more going on than can always be let in on...especially at what I am at the liberty to discuss on this board (in case it is interpreted wrong or as potential advertisement), but I assure you I did start an article that now stretches 6 WORD typed pages (inclusive of references) and it has become just that...an article rather than post, etc...

Based on my desires to perfect it, you can expect an August 10 release with edition two of my newsletter. Thanks for the interest.


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you know there are many on this board who are very interested in anything you might have to say. myself included.

[dinoiii]

you know there are many on this board who are very interested in anything you might have to say. myself included.

Please email me at askdinoiii@hotmail.com for further info on this.


Thanks for the continued support.


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[nilla]

well mine are a little different. I liked blue up but I like hypertest just a little more. here's my plan for next time:

hyper2/mass/retain2/hypertest/I3C/SAMe/regulars. possible fish, hawthorne depending on PH choices:cool:

Im thinking this pct as well.
A few questions if you dont mind?
Why do you have two test boosters "Mass/Hypertest"?
Also,what is 13C, and is it a good addition to a pct?

Thanks

[MrHaze]

Im thinking this pct as well.
A few questions if you dont mind?
Why do you have two test boosters "Mass/Hypertest"?
Also,what is 13C, and is it a good addition to a pct?

Thanks

It's actually I3C (Indole-3-Carbinol) and it is a phytochemical found in broccoli, kale, etc. It has been shown to support live detoxification and prevent free radical cellular damage. I believe it is a good addition to any PCT regimen, although I suppose it could be considered overkill for some of the less harsh compounds (i.e. non-methyls).

[thebigt]

its the anti-e ingredient in activate extreme.

[nilla]

How bout him running the two t boosters?

[lionelxxl]

How bout him running the two t boosters?

Just a hunch, but these 2, hypertest and mass fx, are based on 2 different 'main compoounds'. Trib in the former and a plant sterol in the latter.

It MAY aid in a 'better' boost by the presence of various products with a slightly different modus operandi.