PCT suggestion for SNS METHYL-PLEX STACK?

[generator1983]

im going to cycle sns M-plex and i was wondering what a good pct would be to take..im thinking about anabolic extreme pct becuase plex/drol are basically phera/sd and the pct was made for that, plus it's easy to get. but any suggestions would be great

stack:
week1-MP 10mg/anavol/AX perf liver 2pills
week2-MP 20mg/anavol/AXPL 2pls
week3-MP 20mg/anavol/AXPL 3pls
week4-MP 20mg/anavol/AXPL 3pls
week5-MP 10mg/anavol /AXPL 2pls

i know 5 weeks is kinda pushing it but i think it's a good pyramid stack, only taking 10mg should keep me in the clear with.
other supps: NxCare anavol, Anabolic Extreme liver, beverly joint care

PCT (not final)
Anabolic extreme PCT/Retain or Rebount xt/retain
milk thistle
bev Joint Care
Anabolic

Diet:
3,000 or more calories through 4 meals, 126g protein powderform, 80 or more in natural foods, high dairy intake.
1,000 for breakfast/ including 50g protein
800 in big lunch, 400 in small lunch pre-workout (high carbs)
600 in post workout meal (high carbs/protein), 250 pre rest meal (high protein)



Im sure im forgetting something here, but i can add it later

i'd really like to get some info from people who stacked something like this before, or used the product in general. i also have some sns Drol too, but i don't really want to use it together, might try a cycle of that if this goes ok w/o any real side effects. thanks

[Trans_Isomer]

You might get better responses if you put this in the 'PCT' section of the DA forums.

[SNS8778]

I think that 5 weeks is overkill. I would definately stop at 4 weeks.

PCT wise, you can go basic or very comprehensive. For myself:
- Anti-estrogen - Inhibit-E
- Cortisol Suppression - Reduce XT
- Natural Test Boosting - Tribulus and DS Activate
- Creatine - CVM Xtreme
- Liver Support - plenty of good products there

The list can go on and on depending on how thorough you want to be. Some people would recomend nolvadex (the research chem), but I personally have never used it.

[Clickster]

In Feb. I am going to be running

SNS Methyl-Plex XT + SNS Methyl-Drol XT

Week 1: 10mg Methyl-Plex XT
Week 2: 20mg Methyl-Plex XT
Week 3: 20mg Methyl-Plex XT + 10mg Methyl-Plex XT
Week 4: 20mg Methyl-Drol XT
Week 5: 20mg Methyl-Drol XT

My P.C.T will be:

Dymatize Elite Whey
Multivitamin
Vitamin C
Magnesium
GABA
Dymatize Z-Force
Designer Supplements Activate
Controlled Labs BLUE-UP
SNS CVM Xtreme
SNS Arginine E2 Matrix
SNS Reduce XT
SNS Inhibit-E
Fish Oil
NAC
Milk Thistle
SAMe
Saw Palmetto
Hawthorn Berry


Hope this helps; Like Steve said, some like a bit more, and some are fine leaving out somethings.

[generator1983]

from what i understand your pct is basically suppose to cover all the stuff that could be hindered from a ph cycle, test levels, liver, blood pressure, and retaining as much size as possible, my main things are my test level, my liver, and size...blood pressure will go down on it's own, i don't feel a real problem with that because if it is too high i will know asap from dizzy spells alone. so my main focuse is my Test level (i think Ax pct covers that) reduce or rebound for size and the milk thistle producd for my liver, i know about tamoxifen (nolvex?) and from what i understand it's just an anti-estrogen thing, which is good for not getting bitch tits and removing too much e from ur body. but since pct has it in it, i dont think i'd get it unless i had signs that it wasn't working.

[SNS8778]

from what i understand your pct is basically suppose to cover all the stuff that could be hindered from a ph cycle, test levels, liver, blood pressure, and retaining as much size as possible, my main things are my test level, my liver, and size...blood pressure will go down on it's own, i don't feel a real problem with that because if it is too high i will know asap from dizzy spells alone. so my main focuse is my Test level (i think Ax pct covers that) reduce or rebound for size and the milk thistle producd for my liver, i know about tamoxifen (nolvex?) and from what i understand it's just an anti-estrogen thing, which is good for not getting bitch tits and removing too much e from ur body. but since pct has it in it, i dont think i'd get it unless i had signs that it wasn't working.

Point by point:
- I still go back to what I said in my first above post.
- AX PCT alone does not cover test boosting to the degree that you need it to be. I would add in some other type of test booster.
- You say Reduce or Rebound for size - Reduce XT and Rebound are completely different products. Reduce XT suppresses cortisol and is important in PCT.

[njmuscle66]

Point by point:
- I still go back to what I said in my first above post.
- AX PCT alone does not cover test boosting to the degree that you need it to be. I would add in some other type of test booster.
- You say Reduce or Rebound for size - Reduce XT and Rebound are completely different products. Reduce XT suppresses cortisol and is important in PCT.

Adding Lean Xtreme to the NHA stack will handle the cortisol issue

[SNS8778]

Adding Lean Xtreme to the NHA stack will handle the cortisol issue

Lean Xtreme and Reduce XT are the same ingredient.

[shuttaLCD]

just a little side note.. dont forget the Vit. C .... Low test levels and a cold wont be too great... You could loose quite abit of gains from that.. i say go
4g or more of C in PCT..

-Shutta

[generator1983]

ok im gonna take your advice becuase either your a good salesman and it's pretty much what everyone else is suggesting for me to take.

my pct
SNS Reduce XT
Designer Supplements ActivaTe
Optimum Nutrition Tribulus 625
SNS Inhibit-E
Anabolic Xtreme Perfect Cycle (that will be for my cycle too, it has the same ingrediants and dosage of all the other liver protectant products i've read suggested on various websites).

4 week PCT good? or should i do 5?? taking in mind im not gonna do another cycle till march or april.

one thing i noticed and i was guilty of it....it seems like guys on their first cycle spend like 100 dollars on there cycle but want to go cheap on there PCT.....it's expensive but i mean its not like this is a onetime thing im gonna have enough phera for 4 cycles throughout the year, plus im hoping i have stuff from my PCT left over so i can use it.

again, if anyone has anymore imput good or bad, please give me some advice. im not starting this till late nov. early december.

[Clickster]

You are going to run 4 cycles of PheraPlex in a year span?

Good rule of thumb. Time on cycle + PCT = Time off after.

For example:
4 weeks on cycle
+
4 weeks PCT
=
8 weeks off after PCT is over.

So even if you follow that, that only equals 3 at the most, and I wouldn't recommend it.

I would still add Hawthorn Berry & Saw Palmetto to your list, I wouldn't do a cycle without either of those. I also agree with Shutta on the Vitamin C.


-The biggest thing that concerns me is people leaving things out of P.C.T. because they think they "don't really need them." Nobody thinks they need the products until something happens.

Good luck with your cycle.

[shuttaLCD]

my pct
SNS Reduce XT
Designer Supplements ActivaTe
Optimum Nutrition Tribulus 625
SNS Inhibit-E
Anabolic Xtreme Perfect Cycle (that will be for my cycle too, it has the same ingrediants and dosage of all the other liver protectant products i've read suggested on various websites).


That looks pretty good to me. as i said in the last post dont forget teh Vit. C! LOL..
Remember that you have to eat more due to that fact of the added muscle. So be sure to keep the diest caught up with the size.







4 week PCT good? or should i do 5?? taking in mind im not gonna do another cycle till march or april.




4-5 weeks.. Definately do 4 for sure and see how your body feels. If you still kinda feel a little wierd continue till the 5th.

-Shutta

[generator1983]

ok, so just add some Vit. C. ok, sounds good..little pricy but....it's worth it to put on some weight and do it safe and right, i was thinking about only doing 4 weeks after i thought about it a while too, i didn't knwo what woudl be better a 20/20/20/10 or a 10/20/20/20, i would think both have pros...20 starting because u can let ur body come off of it a little better getting that lower dose at the end, but wouldn't that shock my body into shutdown quicker??

10 starting, becuase it lets my body get use to it to start, but wouldn't just stoping at 20 be harder for my body to recover??

and what doses should i be using these pct products at?

[SNS8778]

Your PCT that you outlined looks good. For me, I add in a creatine into PCT as well.

I would def. only do a 4 week cycle. Most people do the cycle at 10,20,20,20.

For PCT:
4 weeks
Inhibit-E:
Week 1 - 3 caps, 1 in morning, 2 at night
Week 2 - repeat week 1
Week 3 - 2 caps, 1 cap morning, 1 cap night
Week 4 - 1 cap at night

Reduce XT:
- 2 caps in morning, 1 cap 4 hrs later, 1 cap bedtime

Tribulus - depends on brand

Activate - per label instructions

[generator1983]

ok, im gonna have to buy 2 bottles of Reduce then

[SNS8778]

ok, im gonna have to buy 2 bottles of Reduce then

I tried 3 caps per day and I tried 4 caps per day, and I could tell a difference at 4 per day.

[generator1983]

i just went to the store and im going to add something to my pct stack, no-explode and cellmass...i think that will help me keep my gains..so here is my stack
PH
week 1 - sns meth-plex 10mg/sns creat/AXliver/Joint supp
week 2 - sns meth-plex 20mg/sns creat/axliver/joint supp
week 3 - sns meth-plex 20mg/sns creat/axliver/joint supp
week 4 - sns meth-plex 20mg/no-explode/cellmass/axliver/joint supp
pct
no-explode
cellmass
SNS Reduce XT
Designer Supplements ActivaTe
Optimum Nutrition Tribulus 625
SNS Inhibit-E
Milkthistle

[generator1983]

does it matter when i take the meth-plex...like before my workout or in the morning??

[LAZ]

does it matter when i take the meth-plex...like before my workout or in the morning??

No but try to take it the same time everyday. I would take it first thing in the morning then afternoon, and one evening if you are going to take 3 a day. Just make sure its spread evenly and follow the same pattern daily.

[generator1983]

ok, yeah i was thinking morning, i wake up basically the same time every day 7/8ish...and when i jump to 20mg i'd just take it at like 5 since it's a good time after i get out of work and its apretty good space of time. ok great, its what i figured but i wanted to some reassurance