Stack question (Shotgun and Clout)

[Lacrosse]

I was wondering what the general concensus was on stacking VPX NO Shotgun with MAN Clout? I noticed the Clout is taken as a pre-workout supp., like the shotgun, and thats straying me away from buying it (already got the shotgun). Otherwise, I will just stick to some leftover cellmass I have, and supplement it with some CEE caps.

Hit me with some replies!!

-Eddie

[dinoiii]

Hey there Eddie,

what are your goals?

what I mean is - would your use of such a stack aid in your achieving them?

They're not really the same product and Shotgun is kind of more all-inclusive of the two. Still Clout is one of those things that will remain grossly underrated. A couple of standup points on the Clout are the absence of proprietary blends and caffeine - something you don't get with Shotgun, heck something you don't get with many brands at all.

[Lacrosse]

I am coming off a successful summer cut, and well.. I want to try something similar to the NO-Xplode and Cellmass/Shock Therapy and Storm stacks that I've had great results with. After picking up another tub of NO-Xplode, I found it had lost it's "touch" (I wasn't feeling any increased focus or significantly better pumps). And I really wanted to try something new, so I decided I'd go with the NO Shotgun as a pre-workout supp.. But I'd also like to try a new creatine to go with it, and after a good bit of looking around I felt like the Clout might be the right choice for me. I am used to taking creatine post-workout, and the clout is taken pre-workout. And really I was wondering how the clout would work out with Shotgun pre-workout, because I would really like to try them both out. I would be using the Shotgun for the obvious energy boost and as an NO supp., and the Clout would be for extra creatine.

[dinoiii]

Well, there is some cross-over, beta alanine + beta alanine ethyl ester for instance (Clout and Shotgun respectively), but not insane levels of redundancy. Whether or not it is something you will find "response" to is debatable because you have seemingly adjusted to the levels of caffeine in NO Explode and now your essential caffeine in NO Shotgun may be less than stellar in that department - however, evodiamine may be a suitable pep addition. Arginine-related pumps are less than stellar if you use the products continuously due to short half-lives (don't worry about the science - it gets very technical), but a regime I have suggested in the past includes a weekend arginine holiday. So a 5-on, 2-off cyclic pattern of usage if pump is the desired effect. This should help bring back your responsiveness to the caffeine as well, provided you watch your other intake of caffeine on the weekend as well or anything from the methylxanthine class (a methylxanthine holiday).

Summary:
(1) I think your best bet is to give it a shot - it couldn't hurt.
(2) Evodiamine may give you some pep in lag time for methylxanthines.
(3) Minor cross-over redundancy between the products (may be less cost efficient though).
(4) Try a 5-on, 2-off split to combat resistance and/or tolerance.