X-factor and SizeON...

[Arnoldgenes]

Okay, I went ahead and purchased the afforementioned supps due to UNCfan, Clickster, and Dinoiii' recommendations. Ya'll informed me that these supps are superior to the Viraloid, 17-HD and No-Xplode stack ive been on.

Now I see the obvious creatine support (SizeON), and you all have explained to me that X-factor provides "pumps". But the "pumps" are not what I am really after, its the vasodilation specifically. X-factor does not vasodilate does it?

Also, what about the test boosting support in this alternative stack?
Do you guys suggest any additional supps to complete the overall stack I seek (e.g. creatine, arginine, test boosting/anti-aromatase)?

[mikeyt]

Yo bud. I don't know that much about AA but other reviews seem to point that it's pretty good stuff. AA does play a role in vasodilation due to a cascase of leukotrienes. You can find a ton of info about AA on wikipedia. Size ON isn't a bad product either. Definately makes you gain weight, although at the time that i used it, I wasn't eating very clean so it wasn't the best gains. I gained 8lbs in two weeks when drinking during a workout and at nighttime. Wouldn't you think that the pumps from x-factor would be directly attributed to vasodilation? If you want to suppliment that even further use vasoXP by nxcare. I've taken a ton of vasodilators and feel that one is by far the best. Good luck with you stack.

[UNCfan1]

Okay, I went ahead and purchased the afforementioned supps due to UNCfan, Clickster, and Dinoiii' recommendations. Ya'll informed me that these supps are superior to the Viraloid, 17-HD and No-Xplode stack ive been on.

Now I see the obvious creatine support (SizeON), and you all have explained to me that X-factor provides "pumps". But the "pumps" are not what I am really after, its the vasodilation specifically. X-factor does not vasodilate does it?

Also, what about the test boosting support in this alternative stack?
Do you guys suggest any additional supps to complete the overall stack I seek (e.g. creatine, arginine, test boosting/anti-aromatase)?

Honestly I don't see any need for another product. But u really seem to like Viraloid, 17HD and NO-Xplode stack. If ur want a test boosting supplement which I get the idea u really do cause u keep asking I would throw in one of the other products u mentioned. Just try it with the 17HD, I really don't know much about the 2 products but here no one really likes them but if they work for u keep using it. I really don't either one is considered a PH so just throw it in the mix.

As far as the pump aspect of X-factor I can't explain it, Dinoii, Phosphate Bond could explain it. The X-factor/SizeON stack could give 10,15,20lbs of soild muscle if the diet is right.

[Arnoldgenes]

mikeyt:
I am not exactly sure just how the AA in X-factor works, that is why I was asking about the vasodilation. Just because you feel a "pump" does not necessarily mean you are vasodilated. Which did not lead me to attribute the "pump" to vasodilation. Therefore I will try X-factor and feel these acclaimed "pumps" then determine if I need a vasodilator. If thats the case I will go with VasoXP like you suggested.

UNCfan1:
That is a good idea, I will just add 17HD into the mix as my test booster/anti-aromatase...unless anyone knows of any better test support? Also I dont think 17HD is a PH bro, afterall its just modified Ecdysterone.

[mikeyt]

Got some more stuff for you on X-Factor. According to the description it says that it signicantly decreases IL-6 (interleukin 6). I dont know if you care about stuff this detailed but IL6 is a bigtime promoter of host defense. Significantly affects the production of IgA, which when decreased leads to autoimmune diseases. Doubt anything major would happen in a 4-6 week cycle.
The stuff essentially thins your blood, why they say not to take pain killers on top of it. More or less acts as an anti-inflammatory. Thats probably due to blood pressure issues. I can imagine the pump on this stuff being incredible. Dont take the vasoXP on top of it because your blood pressure will be way to low. Take your C's when your on this because you immune system won't be as normal as usual.

[Arnoldgenes]

Got some more stuff for you on X-Factor. According to the description it says that it signicantly decreases IL-6 (interleukin 6). I dont know if you care about stuff this detailed but IL6 is a bigtime promoter of host defense. Significantly affects the production of IgA, which when decreased leads to autoimmune diseases. Doubt anything major would happen in a 4-6 week cycle.
The stuff essentially thins your blood, why they say not to take pain killers on top of it. More or less acts as an anti-inflammatory. Thats probably due to blood pressure issues. I can imagine the pump on this stuff being incredible. Dont take the vasoXP on top of it because your blood pressure will be way to low. Take your C's when your on this because you immune system won't be as normal as usual.

Thanks for the info bro, hell yeah I care about stuff that detailed. What are your thoughts as far as the best test booster/regulator? UNCfan says to go with 17HD but after some thought I do not think this product includes an anti-aromatase or anti-estrogen agent.

[UNCfan1]

I don't think u need an anti-aromatase or anti-estrogen agent while taking 17HD I could be wrong though. U may want to take Inhibit-E or Novedex XT then. I took XT by itself awhile back, got some nice strength from it.

[Arnoldgenes]

I don't think u need an anti-aromatase or anti-estrogen agent while taking 17HD I could be wrong though. U may want to take Inhibit-E or Novedex XT then. I took XT by itself awhile back, got some nice strength from it.
You read my mind bro, Novedex is exactly what I was thinking. Youre right though, an anti-aromatase/anti-estrogen agent is not needed for 17HD. Just seems logical though if im going to ramp up, or at least regulate my test levels. That is where the Viraloid came in before. Now that im upgrading my stack I didnt want to leave any holes.

[mikeyt]

Took N XT as well and saw some strength gains from that. Also liked T3 from nxcare and liked that as well. I don't know if anyone else ever took T3 but it made me sooo tired in the morning. The T3 boosts NO as well so you might want to just take XT or the 17HD. You won't need to regulate your test with X-Factor but everyone can always use a boost, XT or ZMA would probably due the trick.

[That MD Boy]

if your gonna take creatine x factor and zma you better drink alotta water cause if i didnt drink about 8 oz or so an hour it pummeled my lived for a while and prepare to be hungry 24/7