my phera-plex superdrol pct

[Bionik]

Last week of my ph cutting cycle as I look back it was probably to long
stats start weight 208 bf 11%
current 193 7.5%
supplements
week 1-2 prostanazol 200-250
week 3-6 ps 300
week 3-6 pp 20-last days bumped 2 30 back down to 20 to bridge with sd
weeks 6-9 sd 20 last week 30
took thyrotabs weeks 2-5 loved them
on red acid 2 current
ad supps flax and fish oil
liv 52 off and on
thyriod energy after thyrotabs
overall thoughts second stack with sd and pp first as cutter (last was bulker)
very happy goals were fat loss and strength gains
bench before fell after pct and last cycle to 300
currently 325 so I am happy with that with the weight loss praying it dosent dip below 315 after this pct
...ok this is were i need some help ....
I have a game plan but always like to hear input
on hand pct items-
zma
alpha-male
reduce xt
6-oxo
Nolvadex
rebound reloaded
rebound xt
haladrol liquidtabs (yes the new stuff)
paravol
liver longer hope this shit werkz
I know this is overkill just listing all the stuff i have
please fire away at suggestions please include doseages ,lenght and start time
also age 33 height 6'1 ok 6 .5
Thanks in advance

[Clickster]

You are prepared to say the least. Seeing this actually makes me happy. When it comes to PCT, you want to try and cover every aspect.

I may have read this wrong but, are you taking Halodrol ( A PH) for P.C.T. of a PH? If so, that doesn't make sense.

[Sonny]

I would agree with you that might be too long, especially SD during week 9 of a cycle.

You know you have some repeats there but looks like you have something for each category. Have not looked up liver longer yet. Need to do that. I would just add, if not an oversight, to add CEE to pct and an NO if you have the $.

Maybe hard to isolate the liquid gel caps with everything else there but let us know what you think. Many here would appreciate it I am sure.

You made nice progess during your cycle.

You pyramid down the AI/ATD, keep the trib full dose, wait 1-2weeks to start the cort-control. Never ran 9 weeks before, may want to consider running pct longer than 4 weeks, at least the trib. You have done a similar cycle before so your success with that I would use to base how you are going to do this pct.

[dinoiii]

Impressive results to say the least. What kind of diet were you following? How did you measure your BF%? tallies seem interesting for the weights you have listed.

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"On" cycle Supplement comments:

Flax Oil: PRO-estrogenic, would not incorporate this kind of product around a cycle (perhaps a suggestion moreso for the next time as you have completed what you wanted to I am assuming with this cycle).

Liv 52 "on and off" - curious as to why you chose to run this at times, but not others? To build up glutathione stores, your best bet would be to run it continuously if its intention is for what the product suggests.

Thyrotabs + Red Acid: You ran these while "on" cycle? Interesting decision.

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"PCT" Supplement comments:

ZMA: fine to run continuously, may actually find CMZ from VPX a better bet for PCT and a better mineral array, but if you have this product on hand already this may be a comment more for the next time. I have written about ZMA at length in the past, however, recall that zinc is VERY tricky in its dosing (why many are likely deficient and don't know it), but alas I digress with such a comment. Its very easy to overdose on this particular micronutrient as well. I really would adjust your ZMA supplement so you are getting no more than about 30mg over the course of the day. As an amino acid chelated product (like CMZ), you could likely get away with less.

Alpha-male: I enjoy this product. The important thing is to take it on a 5-on, 2-off or alternatively 3-on, 1-off fashion...the former being the superior route and according to package about daily caps is OK. This is more for Eurycoma holiday dosing than anything. If you wanted to get an additional trib product to use on the 2-off time frame, this too would be ok.

Reduce xt: According to package instructions is ok if employing this product.

6-oxo: Would hold on to this product and NOT use it with Reduce and/or Rebound products you have on hand (highly unnecesary), you have to make a decision and the other two are "superior," so-to-speak.

Nolvadex: This depends on a lot of things (delivery - liquid versus tab, etc...). You do mean Nolvadex and NOT the Gaspari product, Novedex XT, correct?

Rebound reloaded: Again - see above, dose as prescribed per package.

Rebound xt: Again - see above, dose as prescribed per package.

Haladrol liquidtabs (yes the new stuff): NOT FOR PCT as the guys have already told you. Nothing really to add here.

Paravol: Dose this according to what your goals are with the product, and they are?

Liver longer: TUDA is interesting from a research perspective, however, I am unaware of tests suggesting true clinical validity to product claims. NOT knocking the product, just suggesting validity is challenged. If someone can prove me wrong, then by all means.




Hope this helps. You take either an antioxidant, B-complex, ACES type of product??? (NOT A MULTI) May be in your best interest to pick that up. What kind of diet will you be following for PCT - this too may dictate your strength losses, ya know?

[B-natural]

nice to see you back dinoii, and i picked up on your flax seed comment, so do other fatty acids create problems in the on cycle realm, as I've been using omega3's while on cycle, and have seen it as a common supplement, on off and basically year round supp.

[dinoiii]

Its actually the lignans within the flax that are the issue, not necessarily the Omega-3's B-nat.

Fish Oil amongst others are better sources and for the gentlemen reading this, I would recommend avoiding flax all together. Its propaganda has been much the way of soy.

[Bionik]

Thanks for the very educated input .
To clarfy things this is haladrol liquid tabs not haladrol-50 the ph
Its basicly activate /xfactor with some eurcro whateva ehehe
yes its tamo citrate not the gaspari product
I may hold off on the hal-liq untill after a month of pct
and get some sting neetle ie activate
its tabs of citrate rated at 20 mg (meaning it probaly closer to 30 but 20mg is fully absorbed from what I am told) i was planing on 40 40 20 20 4 week cycle
I did not mention the cvm and no explode which i will be taking
cvm in the morning and no explode before workouts
yes i used thyrotabs during the cycle and red acid 2 after them
My goals were fat loss and strength gain not muscle size.
friday is my last day of ph's pleas wish me luck on my pct
my main goal is to maintain my bench and not get fat eaiser said than done.
my diet was as follows
no alchol (except that weekend in dallas big mistake my liver hurt)
no sugar
whole grains mostly in morning and afternoon
ie oatmeal whole wheat low carb (bread ,bagles pasta)
protien sources -meat chicken and fish all the basics
lentils
brown rice
cheese
eggs
low carb wraps
whey powder but not as much as normal
didnt cheat much
stayed away from simple carbs
about a 40/40/20 split carb/pro/fat
sorry about the spelling and if I forget anything

[dinoiii]

After running my own labs on a particular nettle product (not during a PCT cyle, but just in a test), I no longer employ it to be used during PCT; this would include products mentioned in your post.

Lab Summary:
1. Decreased Total Test
2. Increased Free Test
3. SHBG dec

Now, I made the DS crew aware of the changes but they were unavailable for comment and unfortunately, I have been yet to be able to explore rationale further and/or post what I had intended, so I will call these preliminary (a reminder that again, these were NOT done during PCT however, I cannot fathom how it would change the scenario - I am not sure it would allow for adequate recuperation of HPTA changes). An additional note, I dosed it according to the former 5 times per day regime and am unaware of what effect an alternative dosing parameter may have.

I believe this therefore would include the Halodrol Liquitabs you speak of.

A question of my own if I may....how did your diet change from pre-cycle to post-cycle.

[Bionik]

Yeah since paravol has stinging neetle in it I am not investing in activate this go around.
So this is my plan (could change by tommorow lol)
Alpha- 3/1 4/1 4weeks
Nolva- 40/40/20/20 4 weeks
zma at night 4 weeks
reduce xt starting in week 2 -1 bottle
paravol -1 bottle
fish oil 3000mg a day(thowing away the flax hehe)
liver longer-perfect cycle-liv52
cvm extreme-no explode
rebound reloaded 3/3/3/2/1 5 weeks
Thanks Dinoiii and all any other suggestions welcomed .
ps i also have some old stuff laying around purple wrath and yohimbine I might through in