only 40g. of protein per hour?

[bigboy67]

alright, i ran out of protein and was FORCED to go to a nutrition store for an emergency supply while i wait for my shipment to come in. got into some small talk with the dude working..... he told me that the body can only process about 40 grams of protein per hour, so if you ingest more than that it isnt absorbed and is then expelled through waste. now, he also told me that he does this totally awesome ab routine that accomplishes spot reduction on abs, so i dont exactly believe what the guy says. is this guy a total kook, or is there some validity to what he is saying.

i routinely slam my body with protein at all hours of the day. is some of my protein being wasted, or is this guy a tool?


dinoiii, jswoll, swolloniron, haha glad you guys do name searches.....

[bigboy67]

and just to be absolutely clear.....no, i dont believe in spot reduction of fat so dont flame me

[GeorgiaDawg]

alright, i ran out of protein and was FORCED to go to a nutrition store for an emergency supply while i wait for my shipment to come in. got into some small talk with the dude working..... he told me that the body can only process about 40 grams of protein per hour, so if you ingest more than that it isnt absorbed and is then expelled through waste. now, he also told me that he does this totally awesome ab routine that accomplishes spot reduction on abs, so i dont exactly believe what the guy says. is this guy a total kook, or is there some validity to what he is saying.

i routinely slam my body with protein at all hours of the day. is some of my protein being wasted, or is this guy a tool?


dinoiii, jswoll, swolloniron, haha glad you guys do name searches.....

iv herd/read that the body can only process 40 grams of protein and the rest is just usless waste.

whats the ab routine?

[bigboy67]

the guy was no god. he had a spare tire just like me. its like my dad used to say, dont take financial advice from a poor man, and never take fitness advice from a fat man!

sonny crockett, snakemw ?

[Clickster]

The macronutrient, protein, serves many useful functions in the maintenance and development of your body, especially to an active body training under the physical stress of the martial arts.

For instance, the amino acids which branch together to provide protein its foundation, provides assistance to our body's immune system and helps our body repair itself after intense workouts. Although training our muscles require the stimulus of exercise, it is these intense workouts which serve to breakdown muscle tissue. It is only after our intense workouts that the gains you strive for in muscle function come alive in the repair process. Of course, this is not possible if you don't provide your body with the necessary tools to repair the damage that a hard workout has done. Although the other macronutrients should not be undermined in this process, adequate protein consumption should be given your undivided attention if muscle maintenance or growth is a priority to you.

How much protein does your body need to accomplish these goals? This has been the subject of numerous studies and debate, especially among those interested in building some muscle. The consensus among many is protein intake of approximately 0.8 grams per pound bodyweight. Again, this is for someone who has set out to maintain some hard-earned muscularity or would like to add some muscle. Which ever source of information you trust, just keep some things in mind:
a) Be careful about following the diets of those huge 250 lb+ bodybuilders in some of the fitness mags. The massive quantities of protein that most of them take in is in excess of what most martial artists would need. b) Protein intake should be spread evenly throughout the day. For example, a 200 pound man can only absorb around 40 grams of protein in one sitting. The rest....wasted. c) You should keep your macronutrient split fairly constant as well. In other words, always take in some carbohyrates with your protein...and keep an eye on the fat intake. Carbs are your preferred source for energy to fuel your workouts which allows your body to remain in an anabolic state (i.e. more protein available for muscle repair and growth than required for fuel). Should your body not have protein to spare for muscle maintenance and repair and, instead, look to your protein intake for fuel, you are in a catabolic state. Don't forget, the muscles in your body are also a source of protein-rich fuel and if given reason to, the body will break down your muscle tissue for energy. As was noted earlier in this nutrition section, this is why so many starvation diets fail. Some of the weight loss is in the form of muscle tissue, therefore robbing your body of a natural calorie-burning machine...your muscles.

Some of the more effective sources for protein include chicken and turkey breast, lean beef, skim milk, beans, fish, and egg whites. Another increasingly popular source for protein is whey protein powder. Whey protein is a natural and effective source of protein which is quickly absorbed by the body and is also a convenient way to maintain your protein intake if you have minimal time to cook. However, as effective as whey protein is, it should be treated as a supplement and should not be your primary source of protein. Whole food protein sources should make up the bulk of your protein source as they provide our bodies with additional vitamins and minerals critical for good health.

Article taken from.... http://www.totalfitnesssolutions.com/protein.html




No matter tha Ab routine, you can't spot fat.

[B-natural]

Sup bigboy, the body doesn't have a standard for how much protein the body can uptake at one time. After a workout the body can absorb more nutrients because it is deprived of these nutrients, however the body can take anywhere from 25-50g of protein per hour. this number depends on how often u intake protein, how much your body has adapted to, your weight, and time of day. Guys needing 350g of protein would need a constant supply of protein if the body could only take in 40g, they would haveta intake in 40g nearly every hr 10times a day. So it all depends on the listed items above.

[GermanFreak]

Clickster, outta curiosity what martial art(s) do you practice? if any at all. Just asking cuz you compared a martial artists to lifters.

[Sonny]

EDIT: Ok Click was typing while I was. I remember reading the 40 for a 200#er. This is probably close enough for you to adjust accordingly.

[Clickster]

I got the article from http://www.totalfitnesssolutions.com/protein.html

I apologize, I should have noted that at the end. I personally do not practice martial arts.

I was always under the impression that the body can absorb up to around the 52g-56g area, but I am unsure. I just figured the article was relevant to the question.

[Clickster]

Clickster, outta curiosity what martial art(s) do you practice? if any at all. Just asking cuz you compared a martial artists to lifters.

I wasn't comparing them together, just because one does something different than the other doesn't mean they absorb more or less protein. A human body is a human body whether it lifts, martial arts, dances, sings, etc.
I think the article I provided that speaks of martial artists has no relevance to how much protein a human can absorb at one time.

I believe the most appropriate answer is "Everyone is different." But like I said, I believe it is probably anywhere from 50g-56g.

[bigboy67]

you see, this is why i love this place. i have been doing things my whole life, which as it turns out with a little research and a lot of help from you guys, is completely wrong. my protein intake is very spotty. i guess now i am gonna have to reconfigure my meals to spread the protein (and other nutrients) throughout the day. crap, you guys probably just added 10 lbs. of muscle to my frame this year just with this info alone. good to know, better to practice. i cant believe i have never heard this before. i guess the guy isnt a COMPLETE tool then.

[dinoiii]

I think I have suggested the magic number before. THE BODY CAN ONLY ABSORB 40.38275940302 grams per sitting any more and your head will explode.


hmmmm....I hope I quoted the same number! ;)


No - kidding aside: you have to rely on nitrogen retention/balance for muscle progression. The rationale for continually ingesting (and for the most part woking off an overshoot potential - read: > 40 grams / sitting) is that your body requires different amino tallies at different times and it is unfortunately a number none of us can accurately predict - NOR HAVE WE in any studies, et al that I am aware of - its kinda one of those things that simply gets carried over like if you don't do "cardio" work, your heart will suffer amongst others.

Of course, to the low-carbers and CKD followers, this 40 gram tally may be a more accurate number, because there is a protein-sparing effect in place when you up the fat tallies and lower the carbs. IN addition, you have to govern against gluconeogenic processes.

[Phosphate bond]

alright, i ran out of protein and was FORCED to go to a nutrition store for an emergency supply while i wait for my shipment to come in. got into some small talk with the dude working..... he told me that the body can only process about 40 grams of protein per hour, so if you ingest more than that it isnt absorbed and is then expelled through waste. now, he also told me that he does this totally awesome ab routine that accomplishes spot reduction on abs, so i dont exactly believe what the guy says. is this guy a total kook, or is there some validity to what he is saying.

i routinely slam my body with protein at all hours of the day. is some of my protein being wasted, or is this guy a tool?


dinoiii, jswoll, swolloniron, haha glad you guys do name searches.....

40 grams of protein per hour is what 640 grams of protein over a 16 hour period? Hey that is pretty good :D

I think the take home message really is to spread your protein intake out or use a slower digesting protein.

[nojoke]

I think I have suggested the magic number before. THE BODY CAN ONLY ABSORB 40.38275940302 grams per sitting any more and your head will explode.


hmmmm....I hope I quoted the same number! ;)


No - kidding aside: you have to rely on nitrogen retention/balance for muscle progression. The rationale for continually ingesting (and for the most part woking off an overshoot potential - read: > 40 grams / sitting) is that your body requires different amino tallies at different times and it is unfortunately a number none of us can accurately predict - NOR HAVE WE in any studies, et al that I am aware of - its kinda one of those things that simply gets carried over like if you don't do "cardio" work, your heart will suffer amongst others.

Of course, to the low-carbers and CKD followers, this 40 gram tally may be a more accurate number, because there is a protein-sparing effect in place when you up the fat tallies and lower the carbs. IN addition, you have to govern against gluconeogenic processes.


Do u think a good rule of thumb might be to just consume small amounts every 2-3 hours as much as u are awake?...


NJ

[dinoiii]

It depends on what is dubbed "small amount."

You have a 2.5 hour transit time to reach the duodenum (1st part of small intestine...recall protein digestion begins in stomach, but most absorption does NOT begin until it reaches small intestine - some duodenum, much more jejunum - the 2nd part) for most proteins. Sometimes, you surpass it (i.e. - 3 hours) and you are left with a half-hour out of (+) nitrogen balance - not what you want.

It also depends on current bodyweight, etc... so it really isn't so straightforward, but if you are say an average 200-pound bodybuilder (roughly 10-20% BF), the suggestion may be appropriate at 40 grams at every 2 hour interval over most people's waking hours (16-18 hours awake) yields 8-9 feeds yielding 320-360 grams over the course of the day, but I would likely suggest keeping it about 2 grams per pound of ideal weight. Now, should that include 200 pound suggestion - you would need 400 grams per day (and this is a number I am not kidding about either). I assume many fall very short of that tally and can understand why their numbers fall short of desired, namely for those OVER 200 pounds!

[Trans_Isomer]

Do u think a good rule of thumb might be to just consume small amounts every 2-3 hours as much as u are awake?...


NJ

You should be consuming a meal every 2-3 hours anyway... so yes protein would be included in those. Aim for 6 meals a day. I beleive protein is fully digested within 2 hours of ingestion.

[nojoke]

It depends on what is dubbed "small amount."

You have a 2.5 hour transit time to reach the duodenum (1st part of small intestine...recall protein digestion begins in stomach, but most absorption does NOT begin until it reaches small intestine - some duodenum, much more jejunum - the 2nd part) for most proteins. Sometimes, you surpass it (i.e. - 3 hours) and you are left with a half-hour out of (+) nitrogen balance - not what you want.

It also depends on current bodyweight, etc... so it really isn't so straightforward, but if you are say an average 200-pound bodybuilder (roughly 10-20% BF), the suggestion may be appropriate at 40 grams at every 2 hour interval over most people's waking hours (16-18 hours awake) yields 8-9 feeds yielding 320-360 grams over the course of the day, but I would likely suggest keeping it about 2 grams per pound of ideal weight. Now, should that include 200 pound suggestion - you would need 400 grams per day (and this is a number I am not kidding about either). I assume many fall very short of that tally and can understand why their numbers fall short of desired, namely for those OVER 200 pounds!

Thanks for the info brother!...U are right about keeping it 2lbs per bw...It's extremely hard for me to do that...


NJ

[nojoke]

You should be consuming a meal every 2-3 hours anyway... so yes protein would be included in those. Aim for 6 meals a day. I beleive protein is fully digested within 2 hours of ingestion.


I agree...


NJ

[bigboy67]

my only problem is that with my college schedule, i have to go like 4-6 hours before i can get to any decent food. most of the protein bars i see at stores are loaded with all kinds of garbage.

[bigboy67]

so, does that mean that the body can only absorb so many grams of carbs and fats per hour as well? and wouldnt that mean that you could slam ur body with carbs in one sitting and not have to worry since the body would expell most of it through waste. did that make any sense?

[dinoiii]

Thanks for the info brother!...U are right about keeping it 2lbs per bw...It's extremely hard for me to do that...


NJ

I know, I have to hide various protein sources within my white coats on a daily basis and down them in between patients. My colleagues always question my eating habits - I take a LOT of riddicule - I simply lift my shirt if you get what I am saying.

;)

[dinoiii]

my only problem is that with my college schedule, i have to go like 4-6 hours before i can get to any decent food. most of the protein bars i see at stores are loaded with all kinds of garbage.

I can certainly appreciate this - I suggest when it comes time to have a 4 hour class (or at least a couple classes in a row), you have a shaker cup w/ a protein powder of choice and a water bottle in your bag and mix away for a quick fix. I don't do bars myself.

When I was back doing undergraduate classes, there was usually time between classes too that could be deemed appropriate for a quick fix - it likely comes down to planning accordingly and you will likely see your gains follow suit.

[dinoiii]

so, does that mean that the body can only absorb so many grams of carbs and fats per hour as well? and wouldnt that mean that you could slam ur body with carbs in one sitting and not have to worry since the body would expell most of it through waste. did that make any sense?

Each macronutrient is a bit tricky in its own right as I aluded to earlier and they again don't all act in a vacuum. I'll give you a couple of scenarios:

When you limit carbs and up fat, it has a PROTEIN-SPARING effect - which would likely allow you to get away with less protein.

When you limit fat and up carbs, this is one of the worse scenarios you could provide your body with. Now, be careful with this statement...I am saying if you start out with 40% fat and 40% carbs (obviously fictitious numbers) - if you push those numbers to 30% and 50% respectively, you will likely gain fat namely due to the insulinogenic response. This response is blunted in the opposite direction.

As far as absorptive processes go, there are transit times for each macronutrient and beginnings of digestion points - for instance, carbs begin digestion in the oral cavity with salivary amylase - additional digestion takes place in the duodenum as suggested above - with most absorption taking place in the small intestine (this does not mean the blood sugar response is limited to that however which is sort of hard to explain and likely beyond the scope of this post).

[nojoke]

I take a LOT of riddicule - I simply lift my shirt if you get what I am saying.

;)


*LOL*...Yes I do sir...And I bet they shut their traps (mouths) when u display... ;-)



NJ