Sns Stack

[pureapex]

SN20 SNS Inhibit-E, 90 Caps
$19.95 $19.95
SN15 SNS Methyl-Drol XT, 90 Caps
$27.95 $27.95
SN16 SNS Methyl-Plex XT, 90 Caps
$19.95 $19.95
SN17 SNS Reduce XT, 90 Caps
$29.95 $29.95
BS01 BSN NO-Xplode CEM3, 1.81LB
$35.95 $35.95
Flavor: Grape
AP08 Anabolic Pro-Line CEE, 240 Caps
$14.95 $14.95
DY5 Dymatize Elite Whey Protein, 5LB
$23.95 $47.90
Flavor: CafeMocha


This is my stack list in addition of course a MV, Glutamine, Fish Oil, Flax Seed, and BCAA. Any suggestions on how to improve this stack?

[Clickster]

umm..... you are not taking all of those at the same time are you?

[pureapex]

This is part of the whole cycle.

[Sonny]

You did not list your liver guard, prostate support, bp control (if needed), natural test booster.

[huge&ripped]

I would replace the No-xplode ,Good product ,but your body adapts to it to quick ,I would use the axis product SMASH taste better and works better ,other choices might be the VPX -shotgun , BSN is over hyped,yes I have tried them all ,but there is better products out there .As for the items on your list ,Replace the creatine with the axis creatine ethel ester product caps ,I would add some H-drol as well for another cycle to your order for 2 months down the road after a good pct ,as for a liver care product get himilaya usa -liver care ,much better than most of the products on here and is two month supply and is only $18.00
also throw in some hawthorne berry extract and saw palmetto extract gel caps
to protect prostate and liver ,the liver care you need to tale with cycle and during pct ,the liver care will stop you form becoming lethargic (tired) on cycle do to the strength of the prohormones on your liver ,if you get tired you know it is killing your liver and is to harsh on it ,so make sure you get this product,this is my advice.

[Sonny]

Himalaya USA Liver Care:

Proprietary Herbal Blend: Capers (Capparis spinosa Linn.)(root) Wild Chicory (Cichorium intybus Linn.)(seed) Black Nightshade (Solanum nigrum Linn.)(whole) Arjuna (Terminalia arjuna W. & A.) (bark) Yarrow (Achillea millefolium) (aerial parts) Negro Coffee (Cassia occidentalis Linn.) (seed) Tamarisk (Tamarix gallica Linn.) (whole)

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I would get SAMe-as advice from Dinoii and Swoll On Iron. Do a Med Pub Seach.

[huge&ripped]

himalaya -liver care I have been taking for 7 months and I love the product in my opinion it is the best out there for them money period .

[Sonny]

himalaya -liver care I have been taking for 7 months and I love the product in my opinion it is the best out there for them money period .


Why is everybody lately seeming to take other advice as insults to their own?

I was giving him additional information.

Oh, and I was not stating an "opinion", I was stating medically accepted published infomation, period.

[Clickster]

I would take SAMe over himalaya -liver care ANYDAY. That is not even close.

[B-natural]

what are the ingredients in sam-e that it works so great as a liver support, i've seen sam-e and still seen the milk thistle in other ppl's logs, so whats in it?

[pureapex]

You did not list your liver guard, prostate support, bp control (if needed), natural test booster.


I am 21 i don't think i need a test booster or a bp control. Liver i would need and not sure about a prostate. I should be taking the Liver guard during PCT.

[Clickster]

Milk Thistle is by far the most effective Liver protectant. But studies have shown SAMe to be veyr much effective aswell.

[huge&ripped]

OK i'm not trying to start crap in here ,yes they may work the same or better ,but for the money its a real good deal and how many ocmpanies have been out for 100 years and are still around ,this comany has 100 of med drs working for them in you don't believe me go to himalayausa.com is there website I THINK ,besides the medical industry is a business not a profession to help us people out if we all were healthy the medical industry would go out of business ,where theres unhealthy people there is business ,the gov, does not want us to get healthy thats why they shoot down on homepathic ,natural supplements that can have healing properties ,anyways enough rambling .

[Sonny]

OK i'm not trying to start crap in here ,yes they may work the same or better ,but for the money its a real good deal and how many ocmpanies have been out for 100 years and are still around ,this comany has 100 of med drs working for them in you don't believe me go to himalayausa.com is there website I THINK ,besides the medical industry is a business not a profession to help us people out if we all were healthy the medical industry would go out of business ,where theres unhealthy people there is business ,the gov, does not want us to get healthy thats why they shoot down on homepathic ,natural supplements that can have healing properties ,anyways enough rambling .


Just trying to make my point earlier-fair enough.

Last point is all the supplements everyone else is taking about are not pharmacauticals-they are herbal based as well.

[rmagiera]

If you leave the US, the only liver care people know (for the most part) is liv.52

[SwollOnIron]

OK...here is the deal with himalaya...it is specifically designed to reduce dmg caused by excessive alcohol. There are two main areas commonly measured in the liver. AST and ALT. AST is a mitochondrial derived transferase (hepatocytes, skeletal muscle etc), where is ALT is in the cytosol of hepatocytes. Acetaldehyde is a by product of alcohol metablism in the liver ultimately yielding an increase in FA synthesis (fatty liver). Typically in alcoholics, AST > ALT bc alcohol is a mitochondrial toxin...but in the graph at their website, they do show a marked reduction in ALT with no mention of AST.
http://www.himalayausa.com/husa/hf_livercare_tab.htm

I am assuming this is bc a decrease in acetaldehyde would decrease available NADH (which leads to lactic acidosis, fatty liver, and B-OHB ketones) and overall reduction in liver cell necrosis...or that the product does nothing to decrease liver mitochondrial damage (AST)...

so what am I saying....

Well, since PH are not alcohol (ethanol) based, increasing the clearance of acetaldehyde will not be as crucial as it would be if you were an alcoholic, and ultimately will not provide you with the type of protective benefit from PH that you are seeking.

This is not to say that him himalaya does not have some benefit while on PH (bc honestly I do not know how some of this stuff is metabolized), but I would def try and find something that will offer greater protection in relation to the stress/toxin used - PH.

THis is where I think SAMe is great and milk thistle OK.

NAC I am still wavering on. An increase in glutathione synthesis seems helpful regardless of circumstances, but the true protective benefits of NAC (that I have had the opportunity to read) have only been in relation to acetaminophen overdose.

[huge&ripped]

Good post SWOLL ,I have been taking the himalaya for 5-6 mo and it works I THINK ,also greg from rocky mountian sports nutrition said he has used it on a cycle of prohormones ,originally did not but had to start because he was feeling lethargic (tired alot) on it so he took the liver care and he was not tired anymore and his energy boosted back to a functioning level ,so it must do something good then . besides doing good for alcholics only .

[huge&ripped]

And on that note what products do you recomend on a cycle for your liver besides himalaya that do there job ?

[SwollOnIron]

Just to clarify, I have used Liv52 on cycle and have a few bottles lying around in the event I want to use it again. Right now, I am trying to decipher the reason for its effectiveness and "liver health" and det if if is only useful in alcohol protection or if it will have benefits during PH use. At this time I am inclined to say that unless the PH you are taking converts to acetaldehyde, then probably not...at least according the the rational behind the product. THen again there may be implications in Phase one (oxidative - CYP450) metabolism and Phase tw (conjugative) metablosim that may benefit a PH user. THere is just not enough info out to know what other aspects of metabolism that liv52 may modify, beyond acetaldehyde excretion.

Other supplements to consider:
SAMe (NOW is a good brand.) - try for 100mg active twice a day or 200mg active once a day IMO.

I dont use milk thistle. Most cycles I have run have been with SAMe for liver protection only. Other times (first cycle) I ran with liv52 only...

SAMe is best bet IMO.

[huge&ripped]

ok swole thank you for the timely response and where can you get the liv52 at ?