STERIODS ARE DONE!!!

[MiGhTyJaY2K]

the supplements we have today are as strong as steroids are stronger if you use them correctly. guys still try to get big quickly and the cheapest way to do this is steriods which is true. but the effects of the roids is not worth the gains. better to be safe then sorry my mama always told me...SO i'll stick to the supplements that work good for me today.

[wedgylx]

the supplements we have today are as strong as steroids are stronger if you use them correctly. guys still try to get big quickly and the cheapest way to do this is steriods which is true. but the effects of the roids is not worth the gains. better to be safe then sorry my mama always told me...SO i'll stick to the supplements that work good for me today.

I disagree. Steroids definitely have thier place in bodybuilding. Nothing on the market is going to give you gains like a cycle bro, otherwise noone even would cycle.

[max von]

Wedglyx

i would have to agree with you that steroids have there place when they are used correctly and not used at the extremely high doses that some of the famed body builders use them. I believe that there are much more dangerous substances that we are exposed to every day ala tobacco, alcohol and we all know of the dangers of such drus like Vioxx and Celebrex, lastly we cant forget acetaminaphine and what high levels of toxicity that can have on your liver.

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[Ragin Cajin]

For one thing nothing can compare in the gains you have on roids. Also they arent a cheap way to get big quick. One cycle can cost you hundreds of dollars. Thats not very cheap in my book.

[wedgylx]

For one thing nothing can compare in the gains you have on roids. Also they arent a cheap way to get big quick. One cycle can cost you hundreds of dollars. Thats not very cheap in my book.

Usually the prices arent THAT steep

[MiGhTyJaY2K]

yes one cycle on d-bol only will get you big for about a month... then u have to stack that with lets say test and a clomid, some vitamin b-6, it could come out to a hundred or so but like i said steroids ONLY....no test, clomid or vitamins...STEROIDS have big results as well as side effects, one of my friends is 24 is going bald of roids and his father and grandfather still arent bald...

[Wardog]

Kindly get a clue before you speak of juice

[MiGhTyJaY2K]

a clue? how is this.. seing a friend have his life turned around for the worse over this stuff

[Wardog]

How about someones life turned around for the worse from smoking, or drinking, or taking 12 aspirin a day. Get it thru your skull, steroids are a DRUG, and just like any drug, they can be used correctly, or they can be abused. Because one of your friends abused steroids is no reason to have a condescending attitude towards them or the people who use them.

As far as your initial post, I can tell you that there are NO supplements on the market today that are as strong as steroids. I agree there are many supplements out there that will help you gain muscle at an accelerated rate, however they do not come close to the powerful effects some of the stronger steroids have

[max von]

How about someones life turned around for the worse from smoking, or drinking, or taking 12 aspirin a day. Get it thru your skull, steroids are a DRUG, and just like any drug, they can be used correctly, or they can be abused. Because one of your friends abused steroids is no reason to have a condescending attitude towards them or the people who use them.

As far as your initial post, I can tell you that there are NO supplements on the market today that are as strong as steroids. I agree there are many supplements out there that will help you gain muscle at an accelerated rate, however they do not come close to the powerful effects some of the stronger steroids have

amen brother good post warren

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[pbk]

I believe that there are much more dangerous substances that we are exposed to every day ala tobacco, alcohol and we all know of the dangers of such drus like Vioxx and Celebrex, lastly we cant forget acetaminaphine and what high levels of toxicity that can have on your liver. max von

How about someones life turned around for the worse from smoking, or drinking, or taking 12 aspirin a day.


Amen, Amen , Amen, Amen......ohh, and did I mention AMEN.

And don't even get me started on things like the freedom of control over our health that is being eroded over time by the FDA, our lawmakers, and the pharmaceutical industry.

Warren, I certainly hope that you and all of your brethren within this industry and the vitamin/herbal industry in general do all in your power to keep our freedom of the right to choose our supplements. And of course, we as Americans and consumers must stay diligent as well. Too many bothersome things are happening in this regard.

The fact that our so-called intelligent lawmakers banned PH's while thousands of people still die every year from tobacco, is in my mind, total lunacy. Or, as they say...follow the money trail. My step mother passed away two years ago due to complications from smoking most all her life....I can tell you, the last 10 years of her life were hell. And I know of countless other people, who have suffered miserably and died due to smoking. Of course, they made this choice to continue to smoke in light of all the evidence of how bad it is for your health.

My point is that if Congress really wanted to ban something that would make since, then ban tobacco, not vitamins, herbs, and sports supps. Frankly, I think there is a better chance that we will see more restrictions on our supplement industry, before we will see a ban on tobacco. I grew up in North Carolina and as a kid worked very hard each summer in the tobacco fields, to make extra money. I started smoking "regularly" when I was 15 or 16. Fortunately, I quit cold turkey the day I turned 25. Back then, our government used to subsidize the tobacco growers. Can you believe that?! They took my parents' (who did not smoke) hard earned money, your parents's hard earned money and subsidized something that has caused the suffering and death of many thousands of people. Yet, they put a ban on PH's. Who the hell are they to tell us that we cannot purchase and use a PH. It just is not right....it saddens me and it makes me mad as hell. I guess I better go workout now and take out this frustration on the weights. See you later.

[max von]

amen brother

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[Messiah]

Ok....this is just my 2 cents, but to say steroids are bad? That seems like a broad generalization to me. If someone has done their research, they know what they're doing, for how long , the effects, and the proper PCT. Sure, there are people out there uninformed that will use steroids and not get the desired results. The rest of the community will do just fine. For anyone that disagrees, I would suggest broccoli as an alternative. Cook the broccoli til it's mush. Puree it, and shoot that up. At least 3 pounds a day. You will look like the Incredible hulk in no time.

Laughing my ass off at people who are completely clueless, Messiah........

[ShadowOne]

yes one cycle on d-bol only will get you big for about a month... then u have to stack that with lets say test and a clomid, some vitamin b-6, it could come out to a hundred or so but like i said steroids ONLY....no test, clomid or vitamins...STEROIDS have big results as well as side effects, one of my friends is 24 is going bald of roids and his father and grandfather still arent bald...

I bet his mother's father is bald.