M1,4ADD Presale On NOW!!!

[Competitive Edge Labs]

M1,4ADD: Strength and Size

M1,4ADD is a product intended generally as a mass builder, imparting gains in size and strength in a short period of time. Due to the nature and strength of this compound, mild water retention and bloating is possible.

M1,4ADD is a very popular item that can be used in several different ways. It can be used for bodybuilding purposes in terms of gaining strength and size. It can also be used by powerlifters or individuals looking for maximal strength gains without adding too much muscle tissue. Training and diet determine the difference between using this product solely for strength gains versus strength and size gains.

Feedback summary:
- Good, consistent gains in lean muscle
- Good, consistent gains in strength
- Increased Pumps
- Minimal Fluid Retention

M1,4ADD Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving:
Methyl-1,4-ADD 30mg

Suggested Retail: $59.95
Price here @ Discount Anabolics: $29.95!!!

For more info, check out http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/CE02

[jram]

Hey CEL;

Other than Methyl-1,4-ADD at 30mg, can you show us the formula for your M1,4ADD?


Peace:cool:

[SwollOnIron]

Please Please.

[BillyB]

Why would it be any different from the old structure?
Methyl-1,4-androstadienediol

[SwollOnIron]

dione or diol...???

besides, new companies that spring up solely to release 2 clones are always um....suspect. Heck EVERY company in the sup industry is suspect. Just bc they put out a good product doesnt mean their next one won't be entirely marketing BS and no sustenance/science.

[UNCfan1]

I missed the product when it first came out, I guess. Anyway what is it similar too?

[BillyB]

dione or diol...???

besides, new companies that spring up solely to release 2 clones are always um....suspect. Heck EVERY company in the sup industry is suspect. Just bc they put out a good product doesnt mean their next one won't be entirely marketing BS and no sustenance/science.

My lord, for that price it better be the diol version, lol. I just assumed it would be.

[BillyB]

I missed the product when it first came out, I guess. Anyway what is it similar too?

Methyl-1,4-androstadienediol: This compound is a prohormone to methandrostenolone, also known as Dianabol. Dianabol is one of the most popular steroids used by bodybuilders and has the reputation of causing rapid increases in strength and size. The chance of androgenic effects is low, but estrogenic effects are likely so it is important to keep an anti-estrogen on hand when using this substance. The most common side effect to be expected from this substance is bloating.

[UNCfan1]

Methyl-1,4-androstadienediol: This compound is a prohormone to methandrostenolone, also known as Dianabol. Dianabol is one of the most popular steroids used by bodybuilders and has the reputation of causing rapid increases in strength and size. The chance of androgenic effects is low, but estrogenic effects are likely so it is important to keep an anti-estrogen on hand when using this substance. The most common side effect to be expected from this substance is bloating.

WOW nice. I might have to get some and test it out.

[SNS8778]

M1,4ADD was always a diol to the best of my knowledge. I must say I am very happy to see this.

This compound was always one of my favorite ph compounds.

[SNS8778]

To anyone that happens to know, I noticed this is a presale - will there be much of this available or is it expected to all sell out as a presale?

[Sonny]

To anyone that happens to know, I noticed this is a presale - will there be much of this available or is it expected to all sell out as a presale?

I second that.

[Competitive Edge Labs]

To answer two questions. First, it is the diol form, I was not aware that there was ever a dione version. Second, based on the size of the initial run, there is a good chance of it selling out during presale, but obviously only time will tell this for sure.


Interesting side note, alot of responses to the presale on this, yet not many to the halodrol clone, H-Drol. I honestly estimated it would be the other way around.

[BillyB]

mmmmmmmm, I got me some M1,4ADD :D

[Sonny]

To answer two questions. First, it is the diol form, I was not aware that there was ever a dione version. Second, based on the size of the initial run, there is a good chance of it selling out during presale, but obviously only time will tell this for sure.


Interesting side note, alot of responses to the presale on this, yet not many to the halodrol clone, H-Drol. I honestly estimated it would be the other way around.

H drol has been out for awhile, the other has not. Plus anything called "d-bol" like is going to sell.

[jram]

Why would it be any different from the old structure?
Methyl-1,4-androstadienediol
Why not? It doesn’t say. Are we talking about:
1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol >1-AD ?
4-androstene-3-beta,17-beta-diol > 4-AD ?


My lord, for that price it better be the diol version, lol. I just assumed it would be.
That’s what I mean, it doesn’t say? You just can’t assume.

M1-4ADD has a 15% conversion rate to Dbol right?............

Actually, it’s the diol version that converts at a much higher rate than the dione (15.76% as opposed to 5.61%) and is more anabolic and has less chance of aromatization.

Peace Guys :cool:

[BillyB]

It is not 4AD or 1AD, it is 1,4ADD which is Methyl-1,4-androstadienediol

[SwollOnIron]

JRam your the man!

Yeah 15% conversion is what I have determined also (for diol).

I would lean more towards a cycle with 3-4 weeks of Pro, with weeks 1-2 being PRo/M14ADD stacked at 200mg /120-150mg. I think the bloat would kill me if I ran it 4 weeks...Even at this rate I could only get one cycle per bottle - I would have some left over, but would need 2 bottles to get any use out of what is left.

[Competitive Edge Labs]

H drol has been out for awhile, the other has not. Plus anything called "d-bol" like is going to sell.
Actually, m14add was out long before halodrol. If you recall it was in the initial lot of prohormones prior to the ban. It just was not included in the scheduled list hence it is still legal.

[SNS8778]

But you would need 3 bottles to do 1 cycle! right?

When this product was out before the first ph ban, it was one of my favorite compounds.

I used 60 to 90 mg per day (2 to 3 caps per day) and got excellent results. Therefore, by the way I used it, a 4 week cycle would encompass 1 and a half bottles. therefore 3 bottles would cover 2 cycles.

Also, on another note, we at SNS used this same ingredient in our original pre first ban Methyl-bol product and that was the common dosage - 60 to 90 mg per day.

[SNS8778]

I dont see how that is possible. 60mg = 9mg of dbol 90mg = 13.5mg of dbol

minimum effective dose of Dbol is 20mg

Look at it however you want, technically we would be a competitor of these guys and I'll still be the first to say I think that M1,4ADD was good.

Also, when we made ph's as a company before the first ban, we made I think about 7 ph's and this compound was our number 3 seller behind M1T and MOHN and the feedback we had on it was excellent.

I'm not trying to disagree with you as a debate on it doesnt serve any purpose for me at all, just being honest about not only my results on it, and the feedback we as a company heard on it when we made it.

[Competitive Edge Labs]

It is also not a standalone product, rather meant to be used as a kickstart to a stack. Granted, its a precursor to dbol, hence its not going to be identically as potent as dbol, but can still produce similar results.

[jram]

It is also not a standalone product, rather meant to be used as a kickstart to a stack. Granted, its a precursor to dbol, hence its not going to be identically as potent as dbol, but can still produce similar results.

Would one then have to increase the doseage other than what's recommended similar to that of a clone prostanozol to see positive gains?

:cool:

[SNS8778]

I'm not doubting the value of the product. I'm just stating the facts. numbers dont lie.

Numbers may not lie, but neither do real world results. At the results I saw people get at 90 mg per day, to say that someone needs 3 bottles for a 4 week cycle would be massive overkill in my opinion.

I have always considered myself to be an extremist at times regarding dosing and I could easily make 3 bottles last 2 cycles and I have used M1,4ADD (not this brand) numerous times in the past.

Everyones opinions are different, I am just speaking from the side of someone who has used the ingredient and also from the side of hearing a ton of consumer feedback on it.

[SNS8778]

Could you post your experince with it? How much weight did you gain? Did you measurements go up? How much did your strength go up? What was your cycle set up?

I will look for the info. No promises. The last time I used it was fall of 04 (pre first ban) so if I can find the info I will try to post it up. I know I wasnt taking measurements as I never do as I go by the mirror more than anything.

I did a cycle of it with MOHN once, and did a cycle of it with 4AD as a base another time. Both times noticed good visual differences (as i said, I dont do measurements, and been so long dont remember the weight gains, but remember they were there as this is what made it one of my favorites.)

To sum up my main gains from it was strength and size gains. I held very little water with it.

[SNS8778]

that wasn't helpful at all.

Sorry man lol. Most of us dont keep our specific logs from years ago lol.

[SNS8778]

Using a mirror to see my progress is no good for me. Personally, I think everyone should weigh their self and measure their body parts before and after cycles and once a month at least. I use a fiberglass tape measure, like tailors use in clothes stores. And I also takes pics and try to compare.

You are entitled to your opinion. I am not going to reply to you anymore in this thread as it has become a conversation between me and you and has taken away from another companies product thread.

If you want to continue our convo, pm me.

[p0fell0w]

what would the results be if someone was to take 2 pills a day for 30 days?

[SNS8778]

what would the results be if someone was to take 2 pills a day for 30 days?

I always did 2 pills for the first week and 3 pills for the next 3 weeks so it would be hard for me to say exactly. I would think your results would be moderate if done the way you mentioned.

[p0fell0w]

I always did 2 pills for the first week and 3 pills for the next 3 weeks so it would be hard for me to say exactly. I would think your results would be moderate if done the way you mentioned.
sweet thx for the info...i think i'll pick up 2 bottles, and probably 1 bottle of h-drol. i always wanted to try halodrol

[wedgylx]

this product is a weak dbol precursor with worse side effects- i tried the XXX sports brand back in the day and it was crap-I do not see any point in using a dbol precursor with very poor conversion and lots of sides- when the real deal stuff is safer and more effective and so easy to get.

I entirely disagree. I used the same brand and thought it was nearly as good as Superdrol. And there's no way Dbol is easier to get than M1,4ADD pre-ban or since its return here.

[p0fell0w]

I entirely disagree. I used the same brand and thought it was nearly as good as Superdrol. And there's no way Dbol is easier to get than M1,4ADD pre-ban or since its return here.
how was the sides on this product?

[wedgylx]

how was the sides on this product?

I noticed I held a lot of water (which i didn't mind) but aside from that the only side I noticed was increased strength and size.

I recommend using liver care when on this for sure.

[ripped218]

I noticed I held a lot of water (which i didn't mind) but aside from that the only side I noticed was increased strength and size.

I recommend using liver care when on this for sure.
wedgylx,do you think running a low dose of ATD would be alright to limit water retention?

[wedgylx]

wedgylx,do you think running a low dose of ATD would be alright to limit water retention?

I'd probably save the money and just take the water...i wasn't ridiculously bloated but I could notice a little bit and also saw an immediate rise of 2-3lbs in the beginning of the cycle and a drop of 2-3lbs at the end of the cycle

[p0fell0w]

sweet i picked me up 2 bottles to run a cycle with it

from the posts in this thread i'll run it like this...

week 1 2pills
week 2-4 3pills

i ran a cycle of superdrol in the past and it was pretty good for me..i went from benching 225x2 to 225x8 at the end of my cycle, but i did this during the time period where DS had a bad batch of Rebound out that was bunk. Rebound and nolva was going to be my PCT and it worked out pretty good, but i believe if i had the good kind of ATD it would have been better.

What can i expect the gains to be in product?

[wedgylx]

I went around 60mg for 2 days, 70mg for 2 days, 80mg for 2 days, and finished at 90-100mg for the rest of my 4 week cycle.

I'd say you can expect gains close to your sdrol cycle - unless that was yoru first cycle (nothing is ever like the first lol)

[ripped218]

you are joking bro- for a mod you have no hookups then- dbol is extremely easy to obtain- maybe not as easy as buying it over the counter- but I could place an order for this stuff through your site or place an order for dbol on another site and id get them both just as fast- m1,4add has a very poor conversion to dbol we are talking 25% conversion to the parent hormone at most- probably even less thats being generous- and you say this is a great buy- now I have to question the mods on this site. this product is not even close to dbol or superdrol-I'm pretty sure the conversion rate is 15%.

[p0fell0w]

what am i going to do with the left over pills b/c if i run a cycle at..

week 1 2 pills
week 2 3 pills
week 3 3 pills
week 4 3 pills

i'll be left over with around 77 pills which will leave me around 43 pills that are basically useless b/c that wouldnt be good enough for a 2nd cycle. What do you guys think about that?

[wedgylx]

what am i going to do with the left over pills b/c if i run a cycle at..

week 1 2 pills
week 2 3 pills
week 3 3 pills
week 4 3 pills

i'll be left over with around 77 pills which will leave me around 43 pills that are basically useless b/c that wouldnt be good enough for a 2nd cycle. What do you guys think about that?

you could buy another bottle, or give them to a moderator for disposal ;)

[SNS8778]

what am i going to do with the left over pills b/c if i run a cycle at..

week 1 2 pills
week 2 3 pills
week 3 3 pills
week 4 3 pills

i'll be left over with around 77 pills which will leave me around 43 pills that are basically useless b/c that wouldnt be good enough for a 2nd cycle. What do you guys think about that?

For me, the way I would do it would be that 3 bottles would equal 2 cycles.

[p0fell0w]

For me, the way I would do it would be that 3 bottles would equal 2 cycles.
if i get another bottle...how would i run my cycles so i can make 3 bottles into 2 cycles?

or could i just use a low dose on the next cycle if i want to cut down or something.... maybe something like this.

week 1 1 pill
week 2 1 pill
week 3 2 pills
week 4 2 pills

that would equal up to 42 pills

[SNS8778]

For me, my clycle would look like:
Week 1: 60 mg
Week 2: 90 mg
Week 3: 90 mg
Week 4: 90 mg

77 caps per one cycle like that

144 caps per 2 cycles

That would leave you with 36 caps left over.

In seeing that, I may would simply on week one of each cycle, do days 1 to 4 at 60 mg per day and for days 5 through 7 go up to the 90 mg; that would use up 6 of the extra capsules there over 2 cycles.

That would leave 30 caps or 10 days worth total split over 2 cycles, so you could always add a couple days at the end of each.