first post- PH's and androgel HRT

[cavemuscle]

Hi all.

I'm on androgel transdermal testosterone, 5mg a day for andropause (tested at 119 ppm total test pre-therapy)

I'm 51, have gone from 155 to 195 so the doc won't prescribe deca. I tried trenadrol from a local shop- did 6 weeks and got good results. Right now I'm off the tren and doing Gaspari Nova for 3 more weeks then another cycle of the Trenadrol.

My question is, is there anything I can stack with the test/Trenadrol combo?

TIA

Brock

[Sonny]

40# weight gain-no wonder why the dr wont prescribe you anything else-(lol) You are like another person.

Not sure of the effectiveness of androgel-any info would be appreciated.

6weeks on -3 weeks pct-then back at it again.....that seems a bit too soon. You may want to consider additional time before you begin again. Also, you may want to consider a different ph for your next cycle-vs. back to back the same one-effectiveness may no be the same.

What type of gains are you looking for?

[cavemuscle]

40# weight gain-no wonder why the dr wont prescribe you anything else-(lol) You are like another person.

Not sure of the effectiveness of androgel-any info would be appreciated.

6weeks on -3 weeks pct-then back at it again.....that seems a bit too soon. You may want to consider additional time before you begin again. Also, you may want to consider a different ph for your next cycle-vs. back to back the same one-effectiveness may no be the same.

What type of gains are you looking for?

Hey

I think I meant to say 4 weeks PCT and the androgel is my hormone replacement therapy, I'm on that 365 days a year.

Androgel is 50 mg of testosterone in an alcohol/DMSO transdermal formulation. Of that 50 mg anywhere from 25 down to 5 % is actually utilized and absorbed. One can inprove the absorbtion rate by using it on specific areas, making sure those areas are clean, shaven, and exfoliated. I take a warm shower to open up the pores just before applying.

My goal for now is mass gains, so I'm working major groups. keeping my intake around 4K clean calories a day with 400 grams protien.

So, with that information, what would you suggest?

Brock

[Sonny]

I am a little familiar with androgel-I guess what I meant to say was do you feel it has helped you to gain muscle, libido, over all sense of well being?

Well, if you want something similar to tren meaning non-methyl("less toxic") I would look into ALRI LMG. More people report better mass gain vs the tren. If you wanted to start stacking, well their are many combinations. Honestly, thought if you are gaining with your training, androgel and one ph I would stick to it until you are not progressing. Many people use the ph's to gain what they would have gained anyways instead of getting them past a hard plateau. But, I realize as we age, those gains and just to maintain where we are at becomes difficult.

Also, I would suggest a cortisol control and liver protectant during pct, if you are not already planning it. Don't think you need max dose but believe they will help. Have you tried CEE? If not, I would add this as well.

You diet looks solid-congrates. Also, make sure you are doing the big lifts if you can if you want mass-SQ/BP/DL/Military/Cleans etc. (And no not on the machines)

Plus, most of this stuff messes up your hormones which is why you are taking androgel so....I don't know if I would take anything too potent?

If their is something I forgot someone else chime in or can shed some light on this.

[cavemuscle]

Yep what I get is the well being/libido dose. Works pretty good.

I take Milk thistle. Whats a good Cortisol supressant?

CEE? Never heard of it or maybe i know it by another name.

My hormones were screwed up before I tried anything, a bout with alcoholism that ended18 years ago and then a severe sinus infection with 3 days of 105 degree fever finished them off.

I lift big, have a trainer I work with 2 days a week, mass building movements.

At my age not that concerned about how much my hormones get messed up, I'm therapy dependent anyway.

so, stronger doses/compunds would be condsidered.

Brock

[Sonny]

Yep what I get is the well being/libido dose. Works pretty good.

----Ok. I'll take it! (lol)

I take Milk thistle. Whats a good Cortisol supressant?

---SAMe instead of milk thistle(Swoll via Diniio); Designer Suppliments-Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT, etc.

CEE? Never heard of it or maybe i know it by another name.

---creatine ethyl ester, or some of the new combinations like SNS CVM extreme, Control Labs Green Magnitute, Man Clout etc-a lot of good ones-less stomach bloat/GI upset than with monohydrate-at least for me and many others.

My hormones were screwed up before I tried anything, a bout with alcoholism that ended18 years ago and then a severe sinus infection with 3 days of 105 degree fever finished them off.

---Congrates for overcoming it. You are training now so they is no room for that anymore anyways.

so, stronger doses/compunds would be condsidered.

---honestly can not tell you what to do, can give you an opinion on some as well as many other here about certain compounds. Read over some logs/reviews-you will get some ideas-some good info.