EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NEWS: YOU MUST READ THIS!!!

[Bruce_Leeroy]

My Post was Deleted by Chris. :D

[ghostwheel]

This "ARTICLE" HAS LINK TO A PAC REQUESTING A PAYPAL DONATION.

Whatever the merits of your article, if that link isn't removed , the article should be deleted on that basis whether you agree with the pac's objectives or not.

I therefore vote to sit on my hands!

:evil: :x :twisted:

[max von]

Ghost i just noticed that to and looked up the site i agree that should be taken off with that in there. It also looked like alittle bit of an extreme group to me

max von

[ghostwheel]

God knows where the money would actually go. Could just be lining someones pocket who will do nothing or a front for a terror group of some kind.

You have no way of knowing if this is a legit group or even if the paypal money even goes to them. Ridiculous!

:x

[ghostwheel]

Best case scenario; this is some type of multilevel internet marketing scam or fraud of some type.

:x

[max von]

i agree with you its a scam to raise some money and has nothing to do with loosing of rights. Like i said the stuff i read looked a little radical to me. Also kinda odd thiss is his first post without and kinda supp questions or info on himself

max von

[ghostwheel]

And to make it completely obvious this is a scam, Bruce lee lists his occupation as a butcher. Than signs on with a new screen name "Tha butcher".

Total scam.

Kick em off.

[Bruce_Leeroy]

This is going to sound dumb...but I just realized that the link was requesting a paypal donation. I had no prior knowledge of this, I am just a body-building enthusiast who would hate to see my rights to buy any given supplement taken away from me. I just wanted to get the basic message accross of what was going on. I WOULD like to remove the links from my article, but for some reason the forum wont let me edit my own article. Ghost, I noticed that you have several various posts throughout the forums...could you PLEASE give me some insight on how I could go about removing the links??--it would be appreciated

[ghostwheel]

Sorry, i don't want to appear rude (for a change), it is just that i don't believe you.

[italionstallionl]

lol, click on edit, its in the upper right part of your post, right next to quote. then go in and highlight the link, press the delete key on your keyboard

[ghostwheel]

What are the odds of 2 different butchers signing up with different screennames and listing butcher a s an occupation simultaneously?

Coincidence? :roll:

[Bruce_Leeroy]

Well, I finally was able to edit my article...AND I removed ALL of the links. And might I just say that you guys are absolutely ridiculas! Did any of you actually READ the article...or did you just scroll down and say "ooo, look at the pretty links". If you really don't believe me (which IS obvious)--then prove it to yourself. You ARE online ya know...the information highway. Try looking up either of the bills...im NOT lying. And PLEASE...let me know what you find...though i doubt you will. However, I do apologize for not checking my own sources for that type of thing before I posted the article. Mistakes happen...let's face it--I'm a butcher, and i lift wieghts...I am hardly a politition....sorry.

[ghostwheel]

Information highway yes.

Highway robbery NO!

[max von]

then give us some info on the supplements that you are using and what you are using them for if your an enthusist like you say you are lets hear about you and what your weight lifting experience is

max von

[Tha Butcher]

Wow, you guys ARE GOOD!! A regular couple of Shirlock Holmes'. But maybe you were investigating the wrong thing. Instead of looking up my credentials...maybe you should have been alittle more concerned with the subject matter of the text...and not the "pretty links". If you will notice...the links are gone....no links to the donation page...no scam. Just plain 'ol usefull information. And if ya sit on your hands long enough, maybe the bills will be passed...then you can take your hands out, wipe away your tears...and sit on your empty wallets instead.
And the only reason why i signed on under "Tha Butcher" was to vote.... because i couldn't vote as Bruce_Leeroy the first time i tried.

[max von]

the only answer that we have gotten out of you is that you are 2 different people and it took ghost to point that out and you got caught you have yet to answer our questions and to be honest with the number of knowledgeable minds and reps on this forum and no one has heared or posted this before today come on be real with use. If you knew how to add the link you should know how to edit your own posts


max von

[ghostwheel]

I watch Law and Order a lot.

Did you know that the penalty for fraud is 3-5 years in the state penn?

(That doesn't count federal charges, just state)

[max von]

maybe hes afraid of ghosts now good job catching that

max von

[Tha Butcher]

Max, right now im on my off cycle, (im taking 6-OXO). In another week i go back on. I alternate stacking Methyl 1-test w/ MOHN-XT (a stack sold right here from this web site...well before it was banned anyway)--and i also stack MOHN-XT w/ Methyl Dilone or Methyldienolone. I also take the new Hot Hox, (w/ the thermo gel). I've been working out for three years, and losing all sorts of money to GNC and another health store in my area untill i found this web site. Of course i didn't find the web site untill the ban was about to take place...so i just stocked up...like everyone else. If there's anything else you want to know...just ask.

[Tha Butcher]

[quote="ghostwheel"]I watch Law and Order a lot.

Did you know that the penalty for fraud is 3-5 years in the state penn?

i didn't put the links in there...and that proves you didn't actually read the article.
if you read it you would have noticed it was a quote from an email that was sent to me....and like i said, look up the bills...there out there

[max von]

what kinda stuff have you been buying at gnc and which name are you using know and please stick with that one

max von

[ghostwheel]

Why don't you just tell us who put you on to this marketing scam?

:x

Maybe you won't end up in a cell with Leroy. I am sure they know what to do with fresh meat in the state penn Mr. Butcher.

[max von]

so are alot of other crazy bills out there that dont mean anything about it so if i call my congressman on the phone monday and ask him about this bill he will tell me it is legit right and can you give me the exact bill number so i can ask him and I will call him monday and post a reply to it. By the way my congressman is a personal friend of mine. so ill let you know but please get me the exact bill number.

max von

[Tha Butcher]

You two seemed somewhat reluctant to believe me AND to actually take the initiative to prove me wrong by looking up the two bills. So i decided to give the information to you:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=bills+S.722+and+H.R.3377&btnG=Google+Search

I promise there are no paypal donations in this link--lol
THERE YA GO MR. LAW & ORDER...I REST MY CASE-- 8)

[Tha Butcher]

The only thing i buy from GNC anymore is Protien...but i found alot of very cheap sites for that too...so i probably wont be buying anything from them....ESPECIALLY IF THESE BILLS ARE PASSED!!!!

If the congressmen is really a good friend of yours, i would love for you to oppose these bills, as a matter of fact...im begging you to. both bills are printed in the article above but if ya don't feel like lookin: (bills S.722 and H.R.3377).

[ghostwheel]

Even if there are bills like that and even if there is a company that purports to lobby in DC, the site could be a hijacked fake site with paypal account.

I mean you signed on with two names to vote on your own poll which is basically untruthful, Than you posted a paypal link and the money could go to who knows where. You do not have clean hands. Why would i believe you now?
Best case scenario: who are a witless dupe of a multi level internet marketing scam. Worst case you knew exactly what you were doing.

Did you know that there is a reverse internet directory. Law enforcement can find you.

[max von]

after loking up those to links and the info that you posted that is totally a scam by the way who is the hippie dude on the page in sure the herbs hes worried about are already banned. And did you even read the whole bill it is talking about guidlines with no specifics to it. And with the people who allegally sponsered the bill i dont think they need to be worried about.

Max Von

[max von]

trust me they can find you believe me when i tell you this butcher

max von

[Tha Butcher]

Trust me...i don't care if they can find me...it's called freedom of speech, and --it's not a scam...or i would have signed on under an account that wasn't mine, i wouldn't have removed the links, and i wouldn't still be here debating w/ you two.
If you don't want to try to oppose the bills, thats fine--but don't demean the whole idea just because you don't agree w/ it...let people decide for themselves.
example: ghost started reading the article, saw the pretty link, clicked it, then forgot about the whole subject of the article....he then posted a reply (about the link...which is as far as he got in the article)--
-You saw his reply...then you went straight to the link...paying absolutely no attention whatsoever to the subject of the article

[Tha Butcher]

I'd love to keep chatting w/ you, but i have to work in the morning, and i'd like to get enough sleep so i'll actually have the energy to work out in the morning.
post the replies if you want...just know i wont be able to reply untill 2marrow PM....till then

[ghostwheel]

Butcher-

Chris will delete this thread monday morning anyway. This particular forum is for research information on health products, not political action committees with donate here links to paypal accounts, or multilevel marketing internet marketing scams, whichever the case may be.

Too bad, I really like the quote: "Why don't you just tell us who put you on to this marketing scam? Maybe you won't end up in a cell with Leroy. I am sure they know what to do with fresh meat in the state penn Mr. Butcher."


I am going to go watch Law and Order, it is a great espisode on right now.

Aloha from Hawaii- and in this case, "book'em Dano!"

[max von]

the congressman is a good friend of mine his name is Paul Ryan-(R) for the 1st district of southern wisconsin and we will talk and i will have a response monday night

max von

[Tha Butcher]

max, i was wondering if you had gotten a chance to bring the fore-mentioned subject up with your friend the congressmen...I am looking foward to finding out what he had to say. Please let me know

-Tha Butcher

[max von]

He was in session today i spoke with his chief of staff andy speth and theonly reason i give you the names is to prove that i do know him incase anyone looks it up. I gave him the bill nimbers and he was not familiar with them but would talk with Paul today and i hope fpr a call tommorow. I will let you know asap, just want you to know im not blowing you off

max von

[max von]

I spoke with congressman ryan today and he was familiar with those bills he said that he will look into them and call me in the morning so i will let you know where they are at

max von

[Tha Butcher]

This was the exact reason why i decided to try to post that article...in the hopes that someone with connections (like max von) would see it and bring it up to one of the higher-ups, and with any luck--be able to actually get something accomplished. Don't get me wrong...im not fully relying on you, i have already sent emails to Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer--im just not sure how seriously they will consider my concerns. I just want to say I DO appreciate your efforts max, and please do keep me updated.
Thanks

-Tha Butcher

[max von]

butcher

i will let you know tommorow night i forgot that the state of the union was tonight so he said he did not have time to check to see where it was at. I did also chew his ear about the ban and he said that he understood my point but there concern was the fact that kids under 18 could by these items and that why it passed kinda a quick fix attempt

max von

[max von]

Butcher

wanted to let you know that i spoke with congressman Paul Ryan today. Paul said that those bills were brought up in the 108th congress and did not even make it out of committe. He said the 109th congress took affect on 1/20/05 so they would need to rewrite the bills for the new congress as they are no longer in effect with the new congress in session. He said that he placed a call to congressman Waxman one of the sponsors of the last bill and has not heared back.

He said that the last bill failed in committe and this one will to if it is even reintroduced especially with the majority that republicans gained. He said not to worry it will never make it to the floor.

I hope this helps Paul said that if we had any other questions to let me know and he will help us out im trying to get him to join but like he said working out is not high on his list right know

hope this helps

max von

[italionstallionl]

thats great max, thanks a lot for clearing this whole thing up, this thread was getting kinda ugly

[ghostwheel]

It looks like the bill will fail on it's own without our paypal donations.

That is good i guess. :)

Politics is harder to figure out than good ph dosing schedule.

[max von]

Guys

spoke with Congressman Ryan again today and hes said that he spoke with congress waxman one of the sponsors of the bill and he has not yet decided if they are going to try to re introduce the bill. He stated to tell you guys not to worry that this bill wont even make it to commitee as there is no support for it. right now there is no bill and there wont be


max von

[max von]

any political questions that you have in reference to supp let me know he is happy to help out tried again to get him to join will see

max von

[ghostwheel]

Someone posted another fraudulent web site link collecting donations in the Supplement forum here.
:x

When are these lame attempts to defraud people on this web site going to stop. People keep posting links to collect money donations on the web. No telling where it is really going.

These people all need to be locked in a cell with Leroy.

:evil:

[max von]

Ghost

i agree that anyone that is posting like to sites that ask for money should be taken off this site

max von