Split between the 2 videos

[cuderbeast]

I have watched both these videos and they are opposites. The 1st talks about how bad they are and how we are uninformed and the 2nd talks about how they are ok for men and they work. So which is it? I'd like everybody's opinions (especially Dinoiii and Trans)





http://steroidsviciouscycles.com/HTMLobj-1422/SVCcollegeLecture05(2).html

which talks as them bad and

http://www.steroidlaw.com/images/steroids_0002.wmv

Which makes steroids for men seem ok

Also did anybody see The Mans whose arms exploded(Gregg Valentino) on TLC

[Trans_Isomer]

I have watched both these videos and they are opposites. The 1st talks about how bad they are and how we are uninformed and the 2nd talks about how they are ok for men and they work. So which is it? I'd like everybody's opinions (especially Dinoiii and Trans)





http://steroidsviciouscycles.com/HTMLobj-1422/SVCcollegeLecture05(2).html

which talks as them bad and

http://www.steroidlaw.com/images/steroids_0002.wmv

Which makes steroids for men seem ok

Also did anybody see The Mans whose arms exploded(Gregg Valentino) on TLC

Steroids are many times exaggerated to be these terrible compounds that will destroy your body. We ingest "steroids" daily, cholesterol is a steroid alcohol, vitamin D is a steroid and so on. Also, our body produces steroids daily, so we all are "steroid" users and we need these steroids to live and properly function. Many older people get HRT (hormone replacement therapry) and are prescribed steroids, and these steroids help them to live happier more physical lives. The American Medical Association was against steroids being classified as they are now by the government. When properly used, they can bring many, many positive benefits to the user. Its when people misuse these things that it is banned and ruined for everyone else. When people place their own responsibility on others and so on, and go sue happy when they themselves misuse the product and the government then steps in a ruins something from a few idiots who misuse the products. Steroids do have side effects, acne, agression, and in some cases, enlargement of breast tissue. They have NOT been linked to any deaths. I really think people blow up steroids to be some ugly monster when in reality they are like a ferrari, you just gotta know how to drive it ;)

[dinoiii]

Sorry bout not getting your PM earlier, I have not really been on the board a lot lately.

I watched video #1, although - Video#2 had some trouble downloading for me personally.

Video 1:

Speaker points:

(1) “The only difference between a bodybuilder and say a ‘couch potato’ is that the bodybuilder is taking steroids.”
Balls response: BULL SH*T! There is a distinct difference between the oxidizing damage that plays role in the life of a steroid-user, with increasing poundages and GASP – cardio (which to the speaker’s credit is something we agree on)….but hey take the average gym-goer (cardio w/o the steroids) and match them up with the bodybuilder, you’d likely see similar results….while you may think I am simply funning with you, I would encourage your viewing of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Comission’s reports which reveal that bicycling and running lead to some 85,000 more emergency room visits than weight lifting does. On top of this “runner’s knee” is the most common chronic exercise injury, according to the Cooper Institute for Aerobics Research, despite the fact that running only ranks fifth on the list of most popular exercising activities (weight lifting is number ONE!).


(2) The speaker makes a point about many deaths of various bodybuilders, gurus and the like being attributed to steroids…..ehhh, you know the funny part about it – he mentions Duchaine in that list of individuals as well. Duchaine has a well-documented death of Polycystic Kidney Disease….now, mind you – this is an autosomal dominant condition with a significant family history and autopsy revealed steroids to not play part. [dinoiii’s note: I, for one do NOT think someone with polycystic kidney disease should be fooling around with certain anabolics, but it is an individual decision when it finally comes down to it – I can only hope one is well-informed and would give Duchaine that just do.]

(3) By the speaker’s own admission, he has Ankylosing Spondylitis. Now, he continues to list all the terrible incidences of arthritic conditions (hip replacement, stiff neck, etc) associated with anabolics, but this is simply unfounded and untrue. There is a very strong association with his condition – mind you. So it is a clear point: ANABOLIC STEROIDS DO NOT CAUSE ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS. He lists that it must have been the steroids because there is no evidence in his family of the illness. Ugh….90% of patients with Ankylosing Spondylitis have an association with something called the HLA-B27 antigen, yet there is ONLY about a 10-20% familial association of first-degree relative development of the disease state. Interestingly enough, pain associated with the illness should IMPROVE with exercise (not kidding), not worsen as the speaker would leave you believing. The bamboo spine (usually lumbar spinal fusion) and cervical spine stiffening (stiff neck) are very real effects of his illness.


Many are probably thinking I thought his talk to be 100% invalid and this is not the case. He had some real good points to make and they follow:

(1) He points out the negatives of on-line purchasing (this is AAS and PCT products btw) in that 9 out of 10 are likely fake. I think this to be a very real effect and one of the things it draws into question is who is and who is not an actual “responder” – for instance, I have a close friend who does copious amounts of steroids BUT really looks as though he may not even lifted a weight. This is becoming more and more commonplace in this day and age.

(2) I like the fact that he uses a mid-twenties starting point and underscores (potentially over does it as again, people that want to get big are gonna get big when they say they are – ask roiderkid and some others on this very forum, a mentality I don’t discredit – it just means it should be dealt with in a lot less of a, "I will push my thoughts of negativity on you type way"). I do, in fact, think it is an issue with early epiphyseal plate closure (again underscored by the speaker)



I will have more to say even if I cannot get video #2 to work. Good post though and continued controversy about them will likely always exist.

[Int3nsE]

good post guys... lots of helpful info

[Decapitated]

Also did anybody see The Mans whose arms exploded(Gregg Valentino) on TLC
http://www.ronnie.cz/_img/Clanky/205_2.jpg

[Int3nsE]

ya but that guy was a ****ing idiot with the roids

[cuderbeast]

He was also injecting synthol also i believe....

[cuderbeast]

Did you see Pete Maneos on TrueLife: i'm on steroids?

He took them and he was just fine, of course he slept, ate, and work'd out excellent on them. So maybe if you monitor them enough and dont or use or overdose they are good for you. He doubled his weight on one machine. He went from 2 45's on each side to 4.

[Decapitated]

I used to be able to have two 45s on each side on inclined, then I stopped working out for three months.

Anyways, I'm back into it and now I'm taking shit. If you use it properly, it's fine.

There haven't been any deaths involved with roids. It's just the media down talking it just like they down talk anything.

If tea is consumed enough in one day, you can die from it. Pretty sure if enough people did this, tea would be banned. And the media too would down talk it. The same shit happend with Ephedra. Dumb people overdose on it and BAM, it's banned. Dumb people tend to ruin it for the rest of us, I'm afraid.