Novedex or 6OXO ?

[shortbutnotshort]

which is better for using as a post cycle anti-e?

[shortbutnotshort]

preferably with a 2-4 week off cycle, but any advice is good.
thanks guys.

[wedgylx]

what are you running for a cycle? Like i said in the other thread, IM me or email me if you have the time

[ghostwheel]

you COULD use both. :roll:

Just an idea :)

[shortbutnotshort]

hey wedg, what's your email address?

[max von]

i think nolva is better and cheaper

max von

[Wardog]

Novla is cheaper, but for a short PH cycle 2-4 weeks, either one is just fine.

Now longer (8-12 week) AAS cycles, I would go with novla

[Ragin Cajin]

You keep saying nolva is cheaper but when I look 6-oxo is cheaper. Where are you getting this for cheaper

[wedgylx]

You keep saying nolva is cheaper but when I look 6-oxo is cheaper. Where are you getting this for cheaper

Nolva runs for around $30 for enough for over 1 PCT (depending on dosage)

[EDAWG146]

Guys nolvadex and novadex are two different things. Novadex is that shit from gaspari I believe.

[mw1111]

Neither!!!!!!! E FORM or HDX2- but if i had to pick 1 of those 6 oxo

[latin22]

neither nolva is good during the cycle I say clomid post cycle

[jdee297]

clomid, nolva and hcg is the best pct stack for anything. Its proven to restore natty test and surpress estrogen faster and better than anything else. (not really needed for ph use tho)

[usf97j4x4]

clomid, nolva and hcg is the best pct stack for anything. Its proven to restore natty test and surpress estrogen faster and better than anything else. (not really needed for ph use tho)

its also has the potential to be EXTREMELY dangerous

Please dont listen to this without doing your research.

This should only be used on a long, STRONG AAS cycle. That is some serious poison you listed. Also, no need for both serms unless gyno occurs

[bmoremade26]

yeah i agree no need for both serms unless gyno occurs

[MAD DOG]

6oxo Would Be My Choice.

[chase.murphy]

I don't think everyone here understands the difference between Novedex XT and Nolvadex. Novedex XT is some herbal stuff by Gaspari Nutrition. Nolvadex is an actual prescription drug for restoring test levels.

[Brent]

Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) is a SERM.
Novedex XT is ATD.

[focus.mentality]

I heard 6-oxo did great things for one of the trainers at a gym I work at. he said it was not anything special but it did enough..

-Espo

[Brent]

Neither!!!!!!! E FORM or HDX2- but if i had to pick 1 of those 6 oxo

Heck yeah!

[usf97j4x4]

I don't think everyone here understands the difference between Novedex XT and Nolvadex. Novedex XT is some herbal stuff by Gaspari Nutrition. Nolvadex is an actual prescription drug for restoring test levels.

I was under the assumption Novedex XT contained ATD, which I hardly call herbal stuff. It is a pretty potent suicide inhibitor.

[Muscle T]

are you planning on using 6oxo or novedex for pct on a aas cycle?...if so u need to get a serm..clomid or nolvadex..this thread should be in the PCT section or Prohormones...Nolvadex is a serm..Novedex and 6oxo are just supplements (in my eyes)...

[Gaspari Nutrition]

Novedex XT = ATD, 3-OHAT, and Hesperidin. The first two are steroidal aromatase inhibitors and not herbal.

I don't think everyone here understands the difference between Novedex XT and Nolvadex. Novedex XT is some herbal stuff by Gaspari Nutrition. Nolvadex is an actual prescription drug for restoring test levels.

As for what is better? Well you can let peer reviewed research speak for itself and neither of these replace the role of a SERM in PCT. I always recommend toremifene personally as the research on it bodes well for men.

J Int Soc Sports Nutr. (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:AL_get%28this,%20%27jour%27,%20%27J%20Int%20S oc%20Sports%20Nutr.%27%29;) 2007 Oct 19;4:13.

Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males.

Rohle D (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Rohle%20D%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Wilborn C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Wilborn%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Taylor L (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Taylor%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Mulligan C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Mulligan%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Kreider R (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Kreider%20R%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Willoughby D (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Willoughby%20D%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus).
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Box 97313, Waco, TX 76798, USA. darryn_willoughby@baylor.edu.

ABSTRACT: The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen males were supplemented with either 300 mg or 600 mg of 6-OXO in a double-blind manner for eight weeks. Blood and urine samples were obtained at weeks 0, 1, 3, 8, and 11 (after a 3-week washout period). Blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone (TT), free testosterone (FT), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol, estriol, estrone, SHBG, leutinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), growth hormone (GH), cortisol, FT/estradiol (T/E). Blood and urine were also analyzed for clinical chemistry markers. Data were analyzed with two-way MANOVA. For all of the serum hormones, there were no significant differences between groups (p > 0.05). Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p < 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p < 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively. For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p < 0.05). Body composition did not change with supplementation (p > 0.05) and clinical safety markers were not adversely affected with ingestion of either supplement dose (p > 0.05). While neither of the 6-OXO dosages appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT, and T/E


Or this study.

Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:AL_get%28this,%20%27jour%27,%20%27Int%20J%20S port%20Nutr%20Exerc%20Metab.%27%29;) 2007 Feb;17(1):92-108.Links (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:PopUpMenu2_Set%28Menu17460335%29;)

Eight weeks of aromatase inhibition using the nutritional supplement Novedex XT: effects in young, eugonadal men.

Willoughby DS (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Willoughby%20DS%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Wilborn C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Wilborn%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Taylor L (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Taylor%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Campbell W (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Campbell%20W%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus).
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.

This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.

Let me know if you have any questions. :)

[thebigt]

Novedex XT = ATD, 3-OHAT, and Hesperidin. The first two are steroidal aromatase inhibitors and not herbal.



As for what is better? Well you can let peer reviewed research speak for itself and neither of these replace the role of a SERM in PCT. I always recommend toremifene personally as the research on it bodes well for men.

J Int Soc Sports Nutr. (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:AL_get%28this,%20%27jour%27,%20%27J%20Int%20S oc%20Sports%20Nutr.%27%29;) 2007 Oct 19;4:13.

Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males.

Rohle D (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Rohle%20D%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Wilborn C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Wilborn%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Taylor L (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Taylor%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Mulligan C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Mulligan%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Kreider R (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Kreider%20R%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Willoughby D (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Willoughby%20D%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus).
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Box 97313, Waco, TX 76798, USA. darryn_willoughby@baylor.edu.

ABSTRACT: The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen males were supplemented with either 300 mg or 600 mg of 6-OXO in a double-blind manner for eight weeks. Blood and urine samples were obtained at weeks 0, 1, 3, 8, and 11 (after a 3-week washout period). Blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone (TT), free testosterone (FT), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol, estriol, estrone, SHBG, leutinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), growth hormone (GH), cortisol, FT/estradiol (T/E). Blood and urine were also analyzed for clinical chemistry markers. Data were analyzed with two-way MANOVA. For all of the serum hormones, there were no significant differences between groups (p > 0.05). Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p < 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p < 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively. For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p < 0.05). Body composition did not change with supplementation (p > 0.05) and clinical safety markers were not adversely affected with ingestion of either supplement dose (p > 0.05). While neither of the 6-OXO dosages appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT, and T/E


Or this study.

Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:AL_get%28this,%20%27jour%27,%20%27Int%20J%20S port%20Nutr%20Exerc%20Metab.%27%29;) 2007 Feb;17(1):92-108.Links (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:PopUpMenu2_Set%28Menu17460335%29;)

Eight weeks of aromatase inhibition using the nutritional supplement Novedex XT: effects in young, eugonadal men.

Willoughby DS (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Willoughby%20DS%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Wilborn C (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Wilborn%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Taylor L (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Taylor%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), Campbell W (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Campbell%20W%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus).
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.

This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.

Let me know if you have any questions. :)

what were the doses used for the novedex test, were they weight dependant? btw novedex gets my vote.

[Gaspari Nutrition]

what were the doses used for the novedex test, were they weight dependant? btw novedex gets my vote.

They were using the four dose max dosing. The average weight was 211lbs and the dosing wasn't based on weight. For me, four pills turns my dick off if you know what I mean. I prefer two to be honest. :p

[thebigt]

They were using the four dose max dosing. The average weight was 211lbs and the dosing wasn't based on weight. For me, four pills turns my dick off if you know what I mean. I prefer two to be honest. :p

for me, 2 actually improves it. novedex is second only to td formestane, good stuff.:D

[jdee297]

novedex xt turned mine off too. I have never tried it with a lighter dose so im not sure what dosage coases this. Im at an all time high wieght of 190 lbs right now so im assuming 2 to 3 doses is plenty for me lol.


I stay away from atd if i can for the girlfreinds sake :D (not to mention it crushes your confidence when you cant get it working):(

[ItalianGuns]

Now, since this is under AAS, for a test e(10 weeks) w/boldenone(ph,12 weeks) and turanibol(promag for 6 weeks)(Using ph's cause have them here anyways)....would using Nolva at 40/40/20/20 WITH novadex xt make any sense? Would the nova help? I have heard that clomid and nolva is prefered, then heard HCG and nolva are good, then heard nolva only, etc.....For pct, thinking about nolva at 40/40/20/20, novadex xt, zma, and blue up.....would this be wasting the three commercial products or would these complete and complement the pct? Thanks, and sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread.

Anyway, I like novadex over 6oxo...I though it got my test back to normal(ph cycle) faster...but yea, I felt like I had a dead weight between my legs....literally NUMB.

[jdee297]

Clomid and Nolvadex are the standard pct for aas and many strong phs.... Not the stuff made by gaspari (novedex xt). They are 2 completely different things.. dont mix them up!

BTW i may have mis spelled the names of the producs but i hope i clarified enough to help.

Hcg should not be used unless you really know what you are doing. Hcg can perminently eff up your test production if not used correctly. (dont quote me on that but im pretty sure this is the case)

[kazzo850]

Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) is a SERM.
Novedex XT is ATD.

holla! bout time someone said it!

[kazzo850]

Novedex XT = ATD, 3-OHAT, and Hesperidin. The first two are steroidal aromatase inhibitors and not herbal.



As for what is better? Well you can let peer reviewed research speak for itself and neither of these replace the role of a SERM in PCT. I always recommend toremifene personally as the research on it bodes well for men.


great post des. It sure brings back the boys faster, and seems safer than nolva.