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[Kingdime1332]

Are there any books you can recommend in helping to aid in the knowledge of human physiology? I wanted to know if you had any recommendations as far as nutrition and body function are concerned. I appreciate the help.

[Trans_Isomer]

Well im not dinoiii, but one of the best anatomy and physiology books I have ever read through is this one: Anatomy and Physiology, 6th Edition by Elaine Marieb

[Kingdime1332]

Thanks Trans, did you use it for a college class or for general reading?

[Jswoll]

I rec. Dinoiii's book--oh, wait I'm the only one with my secret little advanced copy :) Just kidding....or am I????

[dinoiii]

I think physiology as defined has multiple subcategories and that which you seem to be looking for in the realm of human nutrition can either usually be found in a book by that title or alternatively and likely more appropriate in the Biochemistry subdivision.

I would likely sway you from mainstream titles as they usually push a "theory" versus teach what is supported in an evidence-based manner. That being said, some of the "sciency" reference books on such topic tend to get very technical and tend to cost a lot.

While I think you can get quality info on the web, it is hard to sieve through to tell what's good and what's not - and trying to piece together copious Medline journals isn't for everyone. All this in mind, what kind of investment are we willing to make in our purchase and what specific topics (i.e. - sports nutrition, supplement focus, diet focus, etc...) - as secific as is possible and I can narrow it down to what I think would be your best choice based on all that. I have about 100 in mind I can suggest the way things stand on your very broad question as is.

[Kingdime1332]

I am looking into the realm of sports nutrition. I went back and re-read some of your threads and maybe was interested in some metabolism or endocrinology books.

I am just trying to get a base of information so that maybe one day I can go through one of your posts and completely understand it without having to get outside references, haha.

I saw the post that mentioned a specific book in your thread on the cover of your book, would you recommend that for the sports nutrition purpose?

[dinoiii]

Yeah Sports Nutrition is VERY tricky as nearly everyone has vested interest in some direction and then it breaks down into various sports vs. bodybuilding nutrition which is NOT necessarily the same sources I would recommend for Sports "Supplementation." Perhaps, I could ask you to narrow it one more time?

Oh and I think I mentioned the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine book in the post you speak of which is a quality read on all facets of "nutrtion" but probably would quench your thirst on supplementation and/or all the topics of sports nutrition.


That being said, if there is something ever in a post of mine you don't understand - if it takes me 10 times to translate the info, you know I would do my best, right?

[Kingdime1332]

Hmm well I guess I could narrow it done to sports supplementation.

I am trying to understand how different supplements affect the body. It seems that from your posts you have a great understanding of the human body and how differing supplements affect it. That is the kind of book I am looking for, so maybe that will help more than just "sports supplementation."

As far as explaining your posts, I would have no problem in asking you to explain them easier but I find it a challenge to find the information to "uncode" your message. To me it is a enjoyful thing because then I tend to learn and retain the information better. Thanks.

[dinoiii]

Well...one could say you should wait a tad longer for my stuff ;)

see, the interesting note here is someone ALWAYS (don't care if they don't come out and say it) has vested interest in this category. Now, there is a "Supplement Encyclopedia" of quality reference - however, its retail value is $457-$495 (dependent upon the retailer)...this to me is UNACCEPTABLE and kind of assinine...granted, a few of us have found a way to land it cheaper, but the guys are really exploiting the general public. And anything else in the "reference" class has been valued at a MINIMUM of $125, but they usually preach about the evils of supplementation versus what I think we have come to accept as well, less than truthful - and supplementation has its place...sometimes above and beyond pharmacy (hint: see my next PCT article for a real comparative analysis of various post-cycle pharmaceutics).

There are some quality "herb" books, but these too have authors with various formulations and vested interest.

So what the hell is a consumer to do. Well, a very cheap reference to start off with may be something like Consumer Labs (whether you subscribe online or actually buy a book they have put out - kinda a non-pricy investment at ~$30 or less...dependent upon the retailer). This will summarize various things that will get you started (i.e. - the tried and true - regular vitamins/minerals/herbs). Now, be wary....it is dubbed tested as "indepedent" but various companies have vested interest here too (par for the course). There is a government webiste, but much of the research there is set out to present pharmaceutics as superior. Mind you, none do a great job on the actual biochemistry, etc...

There is a Sports Supplement Encyclopedia (soft cover) for around $30 with listed Antonio, J and Stout, J (eds.) which is written by seven or eight quoted experts which is an easy read - but still same idea...vested interest so be careful. It is a good starting place...I would say invest in it alongside the consumerlabs piece (~$50-60, but they have been in print for a few years so I bet you can find em a bit cheaper). Then, wait for mine! :) not really deep into the biochemistry per se, but worthwhile in their own right.

When you get a bit more advanced, take some of the concepts from the book and apply them to Medline searches on the various topics (DO NOT GET SUCKED IN TO READING SIMPLE ABSTRACTS LIKE MANY DO, PULL UP ENTIRE STUDIES) and start putting together some of the in vitro data for biochemistry, with the understanding it does NOT always imply in vivo - but you can then graduate to in vivo data (or do the two concurrently) and challenge everything you read!!! Just a great learning parameter. Start pulling your own hypotheses together and you will be that much ahead of the curve - namely, the marketing one.

Ok, Ok - if you master what is in them...come back and say you are ready for Step 2 and I will tell you what that is if mine has not hit the market yet. But, I have to say that right? hehe....I guess so. I take an interesting look at things though and it will take you probably about as long as it took me to put the damn thing together (6.5 years, btw and I am still only about 90% satisfied with this particular one) to get through it all.

If you really want the quality references and you are like an heir to a particular fortune, I can suggest some of the $200+ reference books? But again, based on your posts - the above will likely do as a starting point!

I hope this helped.

[Kingdime1332]

I didn't know ConsumerLabs actually went into how each supplement did it's "job" on the body. And my dad already has a online subscription to that.

And as far as the Sports Supplement book, I believe I have a copy of that at my work so that will not be hard to get my hand on either. I already have glanced through it a few times.

I do occasionally try to use PubMed or some journal searches to find studies, but that is where I get caught up sometimes. Are there any books that would help in understanding some of the studies and their terminology, which I assuming might be a physiology book.

Thanks for the help again Dinoiii.

[dinoiii]

The top physio books currently IMO would be by the following authors:

Guyton (but wouldn't buy this unless you were serious about devling into some complex topics)

Ira Fox (phenomenal book, I had my students reading when I taught physiology classes for two years prior to medical school) - great pictures and aids in understanding, would be my first choice if I were to give one.

William Ganong - is another cheap one, but great!

[dinoiii]

The top physio books currently IMO would be by the following authors:

Guyton (but wouldn't buy this unless you were serious about devling into some complex topics)

Ira Fox (phenomenal book, I had my students reading when I taught physiology classes for two years prior to medical school) - great pictures and aids in understanding, would be my first choice if I were to give one.

William Ganong - is another cheap one, but great!

[Kingdime1332]

These would be the type of books to help and read with a greater understanding PubMed like studies. I just wanted to clarify.

The Ira Fox book, what edition did you have? And was it simply called "Human Physiology".

I am also assuming the physiology book by Ganong is "Review of Medical Physiology". Thanks again for the help.

[dinoiii]

"PubMed like" studies usually require intimate familiarities with both research/statistics and physio/biochem (although, whatever studies you are looking at usually dictate the appropriate text...intro information will likely NOT be suggestive of PPAR data or RXR receptors as has been suggested on here from time to time - the kind of books dealing with these specialty topics at any quality depth will set you back $100s of dollars each).

I encourage reading not only abstracts as so many do, but really challenge the study and authors' conclusion reading the entire thing, as time-consuming as it is - usually this requires actually having subscriptions to various sites or an affiliation, etc....



I think that you can honestly research any statistics-related help online and there are plenty to figure it out should that be an issue, however.



The editions I have of those two books are outdated. I taught physiology back in 2000 + 2001. The titles you suggest are correct. Always invest in the most up-to-date one if any.