Ratio of malto/dextrose/protein for mass goals?

[Brian25]

I usually use a all in one post workout shake, but I am switching to mixing the above mentioned products for post workout. What would you guys recommend as the proper ratio if your primary goal is mass/size! Thanks any help is appreciated.

[wedgylx]

2:1 carbs to protein is usually populr for trying to gain mass. 60g carbs to 30g protein would be good. When it comes to ratio's of malto to dextrose, 1:1 wouldnt be bad, its a matter of personal preference. Of course everyone knows I'm more into low-GI carbs.

[italionstallionl]

yeah, wed is into the low gi idea, im gonna try that after i do my high gi, which i have had some good success at gaining mass
right now i do 40-50 grams of protein and 50-70 grams of carbs post work out
generally i will mix my dex and malto about .75 dex and .25 malto maybe, sometimes a little less dex and more malto, but it is in that neighborhood, i have been seeing pretty good results, what is your plan? any ideas on your combo/ratio? a lot of people do 2:1 so about 2/3 dex to 1/3 malto just depends i guess

[Brian25]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will try the 2:1 carbs to protein, and about 1:1 malto to dextrose. I have a few bottles of syntrax nectar, and some nytrowhey from prosource, are these good protein options? What protein do you guys use post-workout? Also, Wedge what does your low GI system entail? Thanks again

[wedgylx]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will try the 2:1 carbs to protein, and about 1:1 malto to dextrose. I have a few bottles of syntrax nectar, and some nytrowhey from prosource, are these good protein options? What protein do you guys use post-workout? Also, Wedge what does your low GI system entail? Thanks again

Both syntrax Nectar and the nytrowhey would be great for post workout. I use Isopure but I dont really like it, after its gone I think I'm going with ON 100% whey.

Low GI is just using carbs that measure low on the glycemic index for post-workout instead of sugars. I'll usually have a whole wheat bagel post workout with a whey isolate and BCAAs (and creatine when i'm using it). I find i get the same results but lower BF gains. This way my whole day is low GI.

[max von]

wedglyx

i just ordered 2 botltles of syntec nectur over the weekend from DA ill see how it works comparied to the other protiens that i have taken

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[italionstallionl]

on's whey is probably one of the few i have never had, and it is probably the most sold out of any, mostly all the people i know around me use it, and many people recommend it, but i generally go for wpi over wpc, wed you'll have to let us know what you think of it

[max von]

Italion

that is what i am changing from is there protien so i will really be interested in the result as i know what the other protien does for me


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[wedgylx]

on's whey is probably one of the few i have never had, and it is probably the most sold out of any, mostly all the people i know around me use it, and many people recommend it, but i generally go for wpi over wpc, wed you'll have to let us know what you think of it

I've used it before and loved it. To be honest, i usually use concentrate. 1g carbs and 1g of fat dont really bother me.

[wedgylx]

Italion

that is what i am changing from is there protien so i will really be interested in the result as i know what the other protien does for me


max von

I wouldnt expect to se anything huge. The flavor would be the major change.

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wedglyx

thats kinda what i thought a little change in flavor just to mix some things up thanks

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[dinoiii]

I never understood the obsession with ON.

[dinoiii]

And my response to your initial queston Brian25 depend on how much mass you are looking to gain and what your current stats are. 2:1 ratios may be something you give a shot, but doesn't necessarily hold true in the research for everyone.

[max von]

Dinoiii
i think that it is price not bad for an above average protien and the fact that it is very easy to get any where and doesnt taste to bad but i will agree im not sure why it got so popular. There other products i dont care for

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[SNS8778]

I feel that there is no concrete answer to your question. It varies by the individual. Plus, if you posted your current stats, I missed it.

When I was using Malto and Dextrose post workout, I always did a 1:1 carb to protein ratio with the carbs being split 50/50 between malto and dextrose.
Example: 50 carbs (25 dextrose/25 malto) with 50 grams of protein; I actually did 75 to 75.

I am no longer going to be using malto or dextrose post workout as I have a theory that I am testing out for glycogen replacement that does not include many or any carbs which I feel will be beneficial for people that are sensitive to blood sugar imbalances. Plus, since excess dextrose is stored so rapidly as body-fat, I feel this theory could be beneficial for clean bulking.

[wedgylx]

Dinoiii
i think that it is price not bad for an above average protien and the fact that it is very easy to get any where and doesnt taste to bad but i will agree im not sure why it got so popular. There other products i dont care for

max von

Exactly....good price, good flavor, good quality.

[italionstallionl]

havent had it, but heard the cookies and cream is disgusting, all other flavors are suppose to be pretty good, but stay away from the c and c

[max von]

cant go wrong with the cocholate taste really good and mixes real well

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[dinoiii]

yeah there is rationale for how it got so popular, but posting it would probably yield inappropriate comments about a co.

[max von]

i hear ya on that dino and would agree that would cause problems on here

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[wedgylx]

On the topic of ON, I really like Rocky Road Pro Complex.

[max von]

they do have alot of good flavors out there

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[Brian25]

Thanks for the advice. As far as stats I'm 6', 195#, 25 y/o, 8%BF, been training about 5 solid years, and am looking to add a good bit of size/mass(not too worried about putting on fat at this time). I'll be doing a methyl 1 test/4 ad-xt cycle followed up with CEE. I would like to maximize size while on this cycle. Would it do me any good to up my carb intake post-workout?

I feel that there is no concrete answer to your question. It varies by the individual. Plus, if you posted your current stats, I missed it.

When I was using Malto and Dextrose post workout, I always did a 1:1 carb to protein ratio with the carbs being split 50/50 between malto and dextrose.
Example: 50 carbs (25 dextrose/25 malto) with 50 grams of protein; I actually did 75 to 75.

I am no longer going to be using malto or dextrose post workout as I have a theory that I am testing out for glycogen replacement that does not include many or any carbs which I feel will be beneficial for people that are sensitive to blood sugar imbalances. Plus, since excess dextrose is stored so rapidly as body-fat, I feel this theory could be beneficial for clean bulking.

[dinoiii]

Depends on what kind of size you are talking about?


Horizontal? Vertical? Perceptional?


What I mean is much of it will be perception, but that aside and understood...Steve holds some great points in that box you quoted him on. You're going to hear varying sides of the debate as you have here and probably lots of gray area as well. Ask 100 different people, you will likely get 100 different answers and likely none of them are entirely wrong. This is the unfortunate frustration that a topic such as this holds. Much you will find simply rests on your own experimentation.

The majority are currently using a 2:1 ratio of carbs:protein, but I share Steve's sentiments myself and have not saw much difference. Right now...I ingest <5 g carbs PWO - while many would say I am sabatoging gains...it is interesting I have GAINED 18 pounds on my last M1T/EQ cycle (which was comleted on Saturday btw) and at 233 lbs. - 5'9" (7.5% BF), I seem to be suffering very little, huh? Well, I digress...

[italionstallionl]

dinoiii, less than 5 grams total, wow, ive nevre heard that before, but do what works for you and that certainly seems to be

[SNS8778]

Brian:

Based on what you stated, I think either carb to protein post workout would be either 50:50 or 75:75.

[italionstallionl]

steve you are saying 50 grams of protein and 50 grams of carbs or 75 and 75 right?

not a 75 to 75 ratio, i think

[SNS8778]

I am saying 50 grams of carbs to 50 grams of protein, or 75 to 75. Grams, not ratio. Ratio would be 1:1.

[italionstallionl]

gotcha, thats what i figured

[dinoiii]

Just remember guys - while carbs raise insulin levels...they are not the only thing that raises blood sugar to warrant the insulin effect which was the science end that was put in place by the supplement companies to lower costs.


What I want to say is why do you think that all of a sudden low carb formulas came out (ie. - there is a particular Canadian-based company that uses 8-12 page ads which still found success with the low-carb formulas)? I would then say try it for a different approach for a little bit and see if can tell a major difference...I guarantee if blood work was done provided you didn't mess up pre-workout nutrition...neither can your body!