Help me organize my next cycles with all my PH shit

[ghostwheel]

:shock:

[max von]

ghost

what stuff do you have we need to know first then will help you set it up

max von

[ghostwheel]

:shock: Ok I helped Chris and other Companies empty their remaining stock because I am just a good samaritan and now i got a bunch of high priced bottles of soon to be illegal PH sh*t which I am of course going to flush down the toilet at 12:01am on the 20th. But hypothetically, how would you have organized the consumption of all this stuff in the past when this stuff was legal.

Sh*t to be flushed and/or organized:

2 Bottles 1-TU 60caps/bottle
1 bottle Syntrax Sauce 1T 60caps
1-AD 2 Bottles 60 caps 1 bottle 180 caps
300 Andro select 3 bottles 60 caps
1-MT -4 bottles Legal gear methylgel 80 caps/bottle
I-MT - 1 bottle regular caps 80 caps
Legal gear 4-ad+ 2 bottles 4AD 90 methylgel per bottle
Legal Gear transdermals:
2 bottles LGP-1-T hydroxy
2 bottles LGP 4AD+
1 bottle Dermasize ( iknow not PH but listed anyway)
2 bottles novadex 60caps
10 bottles 6-oxo
1 bottle sci-fit 19-Nor 50mg 60cap
I hear there is some nolvadex buried up on the volcano here on the Big Island of Hawaii for PCT

I am 40 years, on a three day on two day off split. 4 years training HARD
bench 350

Trying to figure out how to organize this stuff in a fashion that makes sense.

[ghostwheel]

:shock:

Just looking in my PH cupboard is scary and my general vitamin Non-PH cupboard would confuse a Rhodes Scholar.

[max von]

first of all this is going to take some time and im sure you will be getting some good plans here pretty quick from some of the reps that theses products that you bought and they will help you set it up with all those items thats way more that i could help you with some of them i am not farmilar with so will not give advice

max von

[EDAWG146]

Wow! My wife got mad at me for spending what I did at the last minute. Dude I'm very impressed. nice cupboard, INDEED!

[max von]

man cna you send us a pitchure of your cupboard that has to have more stuff then my local gnc has on the shelf lol

max von

[ghostwheel]

:shock:

"No Pictures ! "

Actually the GNC in Kona is for sale. Nothing to do with me however.

Seriously though, My concern in cycling is whether I should ramp down From 1MT to 1AD in a 3-4 week cycle, because I am looking to minimize side effects post cycle. It really takes me about 2 months to get all the way back through to what feels like normal test levels after a 3-4 week m1T cycle. So I was thinking of 2week methyl cycle surrounded by a 1 week 1 AD front and back. And I haven't even tried 1-TU yet so i don't have any idea how to work that in.

[wedgylx]

the LGP 1-T hydroxy test can each be cycled on thier own, no need to stack. Of course you can always add another substance to it if you want heightened results.

LGP 4AD+ can be cycled with M-1T, 1-T, or 1-TU.
----the 4-AD transdermal can be taken 200-400mg/day
----the 4-AD oral needs to be taken at 600-900mg a day

I think you need to find someplace with more 4-AD bro, you have all test-products. Unless you love lethargy and other sides, I'd try to get my hands on some more 4-AD.

[ghostwheel]

Well the Select 300 is 4AD and there is 180 caps of that plus the legal gear 4AD methelgels 180 caps total of that plus two bottles of the 4AD+ transdermal and still you think i am a bit short on 4AD?
Really? Is there any more available at this late date?

[ghostwheel]

:shock:

DA store here still had some SNS 4ad!

Bought 3 bottles of 60 will have to update list (and make more room in cupboard)

[wedgylx]

well if you had different types of methyls you could throw them in a stack instead of 4-ad. I personally really like the effects of 4-AD. Even though it will make you hold a little water, it will help you add mass and help you avoid sides.

[ghostwheel]

:shock:
In case you didn't see it on the list there are 180 methylgel caps of 4AD+, 2 bottles of LGP 4ad+ transdermals. Plus 180 caps of regular 4ad and like I said I bought some more, assuming it actually gets delivered by DA what with the looming deadline and all.

By the way in case you didn't notice i am 40 years old and bench 350, and though I am interested in and need some advice regarding re-organizing my cycles, and glad to to know you have had good 4ad experiences so far, I was hoping for advice from someone closer to my age range and in any event someone who had at least got through college simply because a 40 year old body reacts a LOT different to weight lifting than a college kid who probably shouldn't be messing with PH anyway. Thanks.

Also I forgot to list one bottle of Formadrol and one bottle SNS 4OH xt

[ghostwheel]

:shock:

Updated PH Cupboard :

2 Bottles 1-TU 60caps/bottle
1 bottle Syntrax Sauce 1T 60caps
1-AD 2 Bottles 60 caps 1 bottle 180 caps (300 total)
300 Andro select 3 bottles 60 caps (4ad)
3 bottles SNS 4AD xt (180 caps total)
1 bottles SNS 4OHT xt (90 caps)
1-MT -4 bottles Legal gear methylgel 80 caps/bottle
I-MT - 1 bottle regular tablets (80)
Legal gear 4-ad+ 2 bottles 4AD 90 methylgel per bottle
1 bottle Legal Gear Formadrol (4OH and Diadzin)
1 bottle Sci-Fit Ecdysterone 300mg 90 caps (not ph just bug juuice)
1 bottle Sci-fit 19-Nor 50mg 60cap

Legal Gear transdermals:
2 bottles LGP-1-T hydroxy
2 bottles LGP 4AD+
1 bottle Dermasize ( iknow not PH but listed anyway)

2 bottles novadex 60caps
10 bottles 6-oxo

I hear there is some nolvadex buried up on the volcano here on the Big Island of Hawaii for PCT

I am 40 years, on a three day on two day off split. 4 years training HARD
bench 350

Trying to figure out how to organize this stuff in a fashion that makes sense. Possibly surrounding 2 week methyl with 1-ad front and back before pct.

[dinoiii]

man cna you send us a pitchure of your cupboard that has to have more stuff then my local gnc has on the shelf lol

max von


Yeah I think he is trying to compete with me. Oh wow, I think I have a stock of 5-8 years easy!

[dinoiii]

Hey Ghost

I wrote all your stuff down and am working on my personal suggestion. I will stack together what I think would benefit you and in what order.

I will post tomorrow. I have been a bit tardy on here due to a current move I am making from Rochester NY --> Baltimore MD. Phew - my office was cleared yesterday. What a mess.

What is your PH experience?

[ghostwheel]

I don't think even the methylgels will retain potency for 8 years.

If you keep all that stuff in your cupboard, you won't have room for any dishes!

[max von]

Dinoiii

yea i would have to agree only difference is that you have gotyour next 5-8 years all setup and planned

max von

[dinoiii]

Yeah, the question is how much belief you have in it in the first place and what the goal is. I won't elaborate on that point, but yeah if we can post pics on here - I just got a digital camera I am learning to play with (it aids me with my derm cases) - you may be surprised at how it all fits quite nicely in a couple cupboards. Traveling south with it all is what doesn't appeal to me. :roll:

[max von]

Dinoiii

ill bet that is one hell of a pitchure. can imagine based on knowing you that all the lables are turned right and stacked perfectly kinda like some of those grocery stores that you see. LOL

max von

[ghostwheel]

I have 5 (five) 4 week 1 AD cycles under my belt and only two 3.5 week m1T / 4ad cycles. The last m1T definately shut me down hard and i only did 2 weeks nolvadex pct then 6oxo for 2 weeks than clean for a month than 6oxo, trib and tongkat ali, mostly using time instead of long stretches of nolvadex, since it is carcinogen. I have been off cycle for 3 months and am ready to hit the weights hard again. Until I start I am just trying to do cardio , swim bike run, and get some monster No2 / crewatine pumps to keep the m1t gains. When I am on cycle, I try to stick to a 3 day on 2 off 3 on split gym schedule.

I reallt didn't start ph till last year because I felt i needed at least 3 years of steady lifting work before i was close to being ready and able to use ph to blast through bench press barriers and sticking points that i had hit. I felt like at 40 years old, no way could i keep increasing the bench without it. DOMS was a bitch too.

I used to be a workaholic at my business, now i am a steady gym type and right now i would like to keep seeing real progress.

[ghostwheel]

This is my split. I am 40 years old.. The focus is to totally wipe out one body part per day with a concentrated high intensity workout not going too far over 1 hour time per workout so cortisol levels don't spike. (Use PS serine post workout)

Day 1 :Chest : 4 sets flat bench; 3 sets incline bench; 3 sets decline bench on a smith machine for safety (use stops) and to allow max weight; flys on a back machine reversed; if you have anything left in the tank after that. LOWER cable crossovers; incline dumbell press. To increase your weight do the 5 sets 5 reps each where you can barely get the last rep in.

Day 2 BIceps: Preacher cable curls 4 sets alternate with Cable curls balanced on a duraball that is on a flat bench where you kneel at the bench and use the ball as a preacher extension (place elbow on ball) whist grabbing a D handle attached to a cable machine. Do it till exaustion one arm at a time till you biceps feels like it will explode, then slightly change the angle on the ball and keep going! Your arm should feel like it is on fire when you drop the D handle, but just take the pain! After four sets alternating between the duraball and the cable preacher curl do some drop sets of alternating dumbell curls right away. Break 10 minutes or so than do some dumbell curls, incline bench dumbell curls. And if that does;t completely destroy your biceps try this: Grab a barbell and do one bicep curl, rest and count 1- 1000 than do 2 curls, count 2-secs (still holding barbell) than do three curls , count 3 secs rest, than 4 , 5 ,6 etc. Do some triceps work too, but they should still be bombed from all the day one bench press, especially if you did the decline smith bench press real heavy.

Day 3 Legs: It is good to do legs next because a big muscle group like legs will spike your natural GH reponse. Nothing fancy, just go heavy with squats or leg presses supersets and extensions. Stretch out you muscles.

Day 4- OFF

Day 5- OFF Light cardio Ab work

Day 6- Back day- Romanian Deadlift, Lat pulldowns, pullups, rows, Talk to your chirpracter about this is too individual.

Day 7 Bench press

Day 8 Biceps/ triceps

2 off days than start all over again!

This may help anyone wanting to help plan my cycles

[max von]

ghost

looks like you have got it worked out just wait for dinoiii he will let you know on how to properly take that stack that you have

max von

[dinoiii]

Dinoiii

ill bet that is one hell of a pitchure. can imagine based on knowing you that all the lables are turned right and stacked perfectly kinda like some of those grocery stores that you see. LOL

max von

Yeah

maybe you guys are getting to know me too well! :lol:

[max von]

Dinoiii

we are thats why this forum is so cool never met you but can pitchure that HA HA

max von

[dinoiii]

Ghost:

Your last cycle of M1T "shut you down hard?" I am not sure I understand what that comment means and why you have went back and purchased additional methyls in this case, but I am still working on a way to ingest all of the stuff you listed from your updated list.


OFF TOPIC (re: this thread but you comment in workout thread) FOOD FOR THOUGHT GHOST:

I have a couple comments on your volume. I think that I second that which was stated (I think it was Max and Wedg that made the comments)on the workout forum that your volume is too high. btw: cortisol usually maxes out after 45 minutes of working out, not 1 hour. This is dependent on a few things though (i.e. - last food ingestion, etc...).

It is interesting that you point out your intention is to "totally wipe out one body part" - b/c as good as it may be to hear (or hard to hear), you certainly are accomplishing that goal. I am not certain what that goal accomplishes, especially if you are following a 5x5 pgm. 10 pressing movements and "if you have anything left in the tank...." more pressing movements. What? Mind you, I am not against doing > 10 sets in a workout, but all for the same basic movement (the chest press in this case), is something I just do not support. But this is NOT the subject of this thread. I just wanted to comment before it was dubbed I was overlooking it. I was not.

There are no specified sets, etc... for biceps BUT omigod - that is likely one of the smallest muscles in the body. You probably want large arms too and yet spend more work on biceps than triceps because they get hit during the bench work on day 1.

Minimally, if you are insistent on keeping your routine this way (and more importantly volume) minimally change up days 2 and 3 and switch triceps > biceps work. I am part of the camp that would argue that a lot of direct work on biceps + triceps is unwarranted for HUGE arms. And here you have listed the same story as my aforementioned paragraphs with chest...how many basic curls are your biceps receiving per workout?


Perhaps we can chat if you are interested? email: absivs_revenge@hotmail.com

[dinoiii]

Dinoiii

we are thats why this forum is so cool never met you but can pitchure that HA HA

max von

:oops:

[ghostwheel]

Well it seems that all the pros in Flex Magazine disagree with you

Here is what i posted in the Training column:

Pick up this month Jan. issue of Flex. "Big Arms, 10 pros show you how"

Art Atwater does up to 28 sets of bicep movements.
Gustavo Badell does 22 sets
Frank Roberson 20 sets of 20 reps each!
Mike Matarazzo 20 sets 10-12 reps each

Not one of these pros only does 6-8 set for biceps and expects anything to happen.

Is it possible these professionals might actually know what they are doing and you guys are mistaken? :roll:

6-8 sets isn't enough, because biceps are really quite different (smaller muscle group) then the major muscle groups like chest or legs and therefore react very different.

What you guys are calling a workout isn't even a warm up.
:shock:

(insert your favorite GIRLIE MAN comment here)

The first thing they should teach college kids is what they don't know and how vast that void of knowledge is, and if you can accept that and be humble, time will teach you it's own lessons.

[wedgylx]

Is it possible these professionals might actually know what they are doing and you guys are mistaken? :roll:

Its possible you're taking too much information from magazines.

If it works then stay with it, but I'd recommend trying lower reps and sets for bi's.

[wedgylx]

Ghost, with the coctails of anabolic steroids professionals are on, they could train march harder and not go catabolic. People like me and you however have much stricter guidelines.

You asked our opinion and we gave it to you. You can do your 1000 sets for bi's if you want but for 99.9% of the population that would practically be worse than not working bi's directly at all

[ghostwheel]

You asked our opinion...

Wedg- I never asked YOUR opinion on my workout. Why would I ask some cherry college kid who doesn't know sh*t from shinola anything? You have NO relative life experience next to a 40 year old.

Your mind is almost as empty as your biceps muscles.

Go bother someone else.

[wedgylx]

You asked our opinion...

Wedg- I never asked YOUR opinion on my workout. Why would I ask some cherry college kid who doesn't know sh*t from shinola anything? You have NO relative life experience next to a 40 year old.

Your mind is almost as empty as your biceps muscles.

Go bother someone else.

ghostwheel, thats fine I wont help you with anything. Just remember, i'm not the moron who spent all his money on prohormones you dont even know how to use.

You are not only ignorant but also a moron to not listen to this entire board who is advising you against this volume in your workout. I ignored your first slight against me because of my age, but I can promise i know more now as a "cherry college kid" than you ever will because I am openminded and listen to other peoples opinions, also I RESEARCH DANGEROUS SUPPLEMENTS BEFORE I BUY THEM.

I was trying to help, but clearly you're not worth my time. Hopefully you'll react violently to your prohormones. Good luck

[ghostwheel]

Go bother someone else

[max von]

ghost

easy here everybody thats not what we are here for

max von

[dinoiii]

Guys don't do that.


Gaging wars with each other never aids anything.


Ghost: I offered up a suggestion if you wanted to keep your volume (and I never said volume training didn't have its place, but not as your staple). You posted your routine - I have never understood people that chose to do that and then got wound up by the response they received. I do NOT know whether any of your comments were directed my way but I am certainly a far cry from a cherry college kid - although I am very proud to consider myself a "lifetime student."


Wedg: I would back off a bit. He came on with his stock and wanted advice. This is a very humble move!!! Admitting he wanted help with his stacks. I think that is great. I am sure he has NOT tried any more supplements without fully researching them than, well - ANY OF US!!! You and I have certainly had some disagreements BUT it has never elevated to the level of tone you guys were getting to.




* I am certain both of you had good intentions. Try not to make this like other boards as Chris and DA have intended this to be different (a cut above) and it is their avenue for us to discuss what ALL of us equally love. Perhaps you will entertain an idea or two of ours or not Ghost, there's no telling - it doesn't sound promising. I will not challenge that you know your body better than all of us at this point (but I share many of the same sentiments that Wedg expressed in his young age about the bb mags - I would offer that I felt some of your arguments in retort were flawed).

I do hope this will NOT change your potential to continue to visit the site and share ideas with everyone. All of our input (each of us) is equaly imperative based on our own experience.

[max von]

Wedglyx

just leave it alone it will all end over time trust me on this take a deep breath i believe in you

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

just leave it alone it will all end over time
max von

Don't worry, I'm over it...If you dont want my help I wont supply it

[max von]

Wedglyx

i will always ask for your help you are on of my good trusted friends on here that is right on

keep it up buddy

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

i will always ask for your help you are on of my good trusted friends on here that is right on

keep it up buddy

max von

thanks max, same goes to you and most of the other guys here on this board.

[max von]

amen lets hope that it is left at that we know where to get our answers


max von

[italionstallionl]

just now read all of this, and wed after reading your posts you are definitely one that i can trust and i believe in your training/supplement advice and tips. i must say i figured it was only a matter of time until something like this sprung up on this board, hopefully this will be the last incident

lets just all get along :lol:

[max von]

see wedglyx i told you that we would all stand behind you just keep up doing what your doing we will keep looking to you for advice

max von

[wedgylx]

just now read all of this, and wed after reading your posts you are definitely one that i can trust and i believe in your training/supplement advice and tips. i must say i figured it was only a matter of time until something like this sprung up on this board, hopefully this will be the last incident

lets just all get along :lol:

Thanks Bro,

I appreciate the kind words guys.

[ghostwheel]

I note for the record that no one actually posted any cycle dosage suggestions, because the very few people with any experience at all were all too busy covering for some inexperienced cherry college kid.
:shock:

Perhaps if you treat all DA customers by allowing cherry college kids to insult, bash, and ridicule clients who ask for dosage guidence, you will succeed in keeping this forum under 200 members. That way you will always be right because nobody who with whom you disagree will ever even know about this tiny tiny tiny small and insignificant board.

And in the future please be so kind as to keep your pet cherry college kids off my threads.
:!:

[dinoiii]

I am not certain what to say to your post Ghost. I am sorry you felt the need to say that about the forum in general. To be honest I set your stuff aside and wanted to give it a good look and got frustrated myself (again, see earlier post) as to how this one ended up.

If you still want help (which I am not sure based on some of your posts), let me know. I am not the "cherry college kid" you speak of though I admit I am not sure I have ever heard the term to understand what it means.

I have "experience" in all the realms you mention - but really can we keep the vulgar-sounding posts to a minimum?

[wedgylx]

First you personally insult me, then the whole board, then Chris and observer? I wonder why nobody wants to help you.

[MAXX]

WOW.... Is this thing really getting out of hand.... haven't checked out any other boards here.... maybe i'll explore a bit more!!!! :)

okay GHOST.... thanks for your insite on shutting down with M1T.... well i just want to comment on the workout.... i hope i will not offend you; i am 23 yrs old and have been lifting for some time.... maybe not as much as you but i have a bit of experience. :)

okay here i go.... now for the workout routine that you have.... i know you didn't ask for help with it and that you know your body more; but i don't think it would really hurt you if you changed it up for a few months.... experiment, then see if it worked out!!!!

here's what i got from following the PRO routine.... this goes back to when i was 13 yrs and continued with it for about 4 yrs.... yeah i know i was totally inexperienced & didn't know much about diet & everything else.... but here.... this an example of what i did:

MWF chest & tri & quads (incline, decline, dips, fly's, tri extension, dumb ext, cable tri ext, barb tri ext & etc) all of them ranging from 5-7 sets of 10, 8, 8, 6, 4 reps.... got this type of routine from a PRO BB MAG.... this are what the pros supossedly do.... the only thing i got from it was mostly STRENGHT, a little CUT, and very little MASS.... thought it would get me mass like they advertised.... but NOPE it didn't; kay.... i learned more about diet & rest.... tried it again still not what i was expecting!!!!

As for some of the people i now know, they often do 2-4 exercises with 4 reps per body part once a week.... and waahlaa mass, no roids or PH, all natural.... no.... they were not doing the PRO workout that some muscle mag posted (which are often really misleading, they want to advertise that the PRO's are doing this (out-of-this-world/universe) routine & is possible for you to get as big as them).... but little do we know.... they are taking really expensive hormone enhancements with really strict diets and medical supervision!!!! in the real world.... there are not many people that are that willing to spend as much money, dedicated and tedious & don't forget risky about their routine.... to follow a routine such as theirs is a little unrealistic>>>> for me at least.... and one may be a little optimistic to expect the same results as the PRO's get from doing their routine!!!! :)

well.... like people say, you know your body better than anyone else, so you make the decision.... by no means i am trying to offend anyone here.... i only gave my own personal experience from following such a PRO routine that i followed; and this is only 1 anecdotal account from a 23 year old kid with problems of his own.... so don't take my word for it!!!! :wink:

HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU!!!! I'M PRETTY SURE PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU OUT ON THE DOSING.... YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE PATIENCE!!!! :)

[max von]

ghost

if you would please leave it alone with weglyx he is a valuable person on this forum and any one should be aloud to comment on any subject that is posted. as far as this being a tiny tiny forum and keeping it that way because of "cherry pickin kids" you found it and keep coming back so what does that say about the forum to me it says it is picking up momentum

max von

[dinoiii]

I think the forum has grown by leaps and bounds over the last month alone to be perfectly honest.

[MAXX]

yeah.... i think it has.... just this past few weeks.... i remember joining just a few weeks ago (check out my profile 01/07/05).... not too many posts, members, & everything.... hahahaha.... i came in to learn more about M1T (didn't even know about the ban!!!!); then had to make the decision to buy now or else it may be too late to try it later on (there sure was a lot to choose from), then>>>> 4 days later>>>> ooooh noooo.... where did all of it go :o ....out of stock :cry: .... discontinued :x .... now it's banned :evil: !!!! LOL.... good thing i got my order in pretty early.... was funny to see it happening though!!!! :lol:

[max von]

im glad to see that you guys also posted your support for this site love it when we stick together

max von

[ghostwheel]

Dinolli-

You seem to be the most medically knowledgable person on this board so yes it would actually be helpful to me, a REAL $cash$ money paying DA client, to get some extra guidence with ph dosing before we hit 5 pages of meaningless chatter on this thread.

I only posted my workout routine to help assist in putting together a supplement routine that matched my 3day on 2 day off off 3day on schedule. I really don't need opinions on changing the lifting routine right now. I feel I know my muscles well enought to adjust the workout myself, and will only say that the human body ADAPTS to everything including lots of sets. I would only speculate that pros have to do more sets if they want continued growth, because there bodies have adapted to lots of sets, and they have to keep pushing up the sets to keep growing.

So the only real questions I have is how you (dinolli) would organize ph cycles, given the workout parameters as they are. I was thinking about 2 weeks 1-ad and 4-ad followed by 2 weeks m1t and methyl 4AD as well so as to have a 4 week cycle total whilst keeping the m1t down to 2 weeks.

This post is really directed at Dinolli if he wants to answer.

Inexperienced college kids need not reply.

I am going to go to the gym to do some bench presses. The good thing is I lift better pissed off and mad, so far that has been the only benefit to me from reading this board.

Actually i play a black flag cover song i downloaded from itunes before going in to the gym to bench called "no values". THe lyrics are "don't you try pretending that everything is allright I just might DESTROY everything in my sight"

So I think I will play that song and think of a certain college kid, load up 400 pound bench and DESTROY the barbell.

[dinoiii]

I would prefer to kick you a personal email if you wouldn't mind ghost as I feel this has become a sensitive issue. You can additionally always contact me via email as well.

[max von]

dinoiii

as a friend and some one i consider a valuable asset to this site i would appreciate it if you would answer and of ghost questions in your personall email cause he has insulted all of us along with chris and his forum by his comments about had this forum will never grow. So again as one friend to another and out of respect for chris and all the hard working people on here and my friend wedglyx please dont answer on here take pm from ghost if you wish

thank you

max von

[dinoiii]

Max

While I agree it may have been inappropriate, I never have left someone hanging who has an outstretched hand. I wouldn't be appropriate for the position I chose in life max if I dropped people. I have never asked for anything in return - simply that I myself do the RIGHT thing - no matter how opposed.

Know something? If I had treated that to the contrary, I would have turned away a slew of patients that insulted me for long waiting times, etc... It is certainly a test of character sometimes and trying...but it isn't in me to see anyone messing themselves up.

To whom it may offend if I choose to help ghost, I apologize. Sometimes I think it is imperative to rise above. That's all I got!

[max von]

Dinoiii

that is your opinion and i respect that if someone on here has an issue with someone i can understand not pushing them aside but when you cut down the forum and take a shot at chris and basicly call this forum worthless and tiny and it will never grow then i think it has gone to far.

But i respect your decision i just think that its up to you but someone has to make this stop and allowing this kinda actions are wrong and not needed here

just my 2 cents

max von

[ghostwheel]

Dinoiii-

I sent you an email to your hotmail address. I don't want to post my private email on the board for obvious reasons.

Can you please just verify that you received it here? Thanx

Aloha from Hawaii

[dinoiii]

Just two last comments to each of you and I choose to drop participation in this thread.


(1) Max: If I could only count the number of times I have said things while in haste. We all loose our cool from time to time (heck, most of the comments made on both ends were a bit above and beyond the call) and I am cetain Chris has refrained from saying anything because he too understands. I am not certain Ghost's true intentions were to throw stones at Chris - call it blissfully ignorant or what have you on my behalf. He still was a customer for Chris and your comments alone point out that he does continue to come back to the forum. I think enough was said.

My decision is NOT by any means disrespect to Chris but in a way just an attempt to end the crazy posts with no end on this thread that go back and forth. Again, it is about doing the RIGHT thing. I think we all could aid in Chris' plight to keep this forum free from junk as much as he and DA give us the opportunity to talk about that which we love and that which keeps us coming back day in and day out as well.

(2) Ghost: It is a shame it ended the way it did. I did get your email and you even posed a GREAT question in it. It is a shame everyone will not get to see it, because I am sure many have a similar question out there. I think with all you did stock up with, it would have benefited the forum greatly to have seen discussion on it, but I digress.

Expect a response by tomorrow's end - fair enough?


__________________________________________________ _________

We'll chalk this one up to a general disgust of government's decision to end PH/PS for us in the 11th hour of that stupid legislative move. Its always easier to blame government anyway. :)

[max von]

Dinoiii

i to will leave it to rest know but i do have some comments that were made that i do not think were fair but if you ar interested in them my pm is tonrod@charter.net and we can talk

max von

[ghostwheel]

Tommorrow is OK.

I am not in an immediate rush to start a ph cycle instantaneously, because the NFL league playoffs are this weekend and it would be nice to have a beer and watch. I have to give up beer on cycle, and immediate post cycle too, but i have been off cycle for over 3 months so lite beer is OK with NFL playoffs for now.

I don't know WHY people started talking about stuff other than PH issues anyway. That was all I asked for in the first place.

[ghostwheel]

I think if people keep posts on topic with regard to the thread they are on, much discord could be avoided. I would like to cite as an example of this another thread some may be aware of.

As i recall the ergopharm vs. Gaspari thread on (another site) had an arguement where Pat from ergo seems to think that Novedex actually had slight androgenic conversion potential which would disqualify it from post cycle use which of course was denied by Gaspari. I could never figure out who was right.
:shock:

When the industry leaders fill about 20 pages of a (another site) forum with bashing and name calling with very brief spurts of science, it is like digging through an internet garbage dump of thoughts & ideas searching for one simple fact or moment of clarity which may actually indicate a reasonable course of action.

So in conclusion, if people stick to the thread topic, 75% of the discord would be kept to a minimum. All i ever asked about was ph dosage guidence, and thanks for your email D. I am thinking on it.

Aloha

[ghostwheel]

I am re-posting my ph cupboards in case there are any experienced supp maufacturers like Wardog or DS or sns8778 who might have ph cycle suggestions. This repost is primarily directed at them. :)

(Just ignore the pointless chatter of the first 4 pages on this thread. Consider this "TAKE TWO")

:shock:

Updated PH Cupboard :

2 Bottles 1-TU 60caps/bottle
1 bottle Syntrax Sauce 1T 60caps
1-AD 2 Bottles 60 caps 1 bottle 180 caps (300 total)
300 Andro select 3 bottles 60 caps (4ad)
3 bottles SNS 4AD xt (180 caps total)
1 bottles SNS 4OHT xt (90 caps)
1-MT -4 bottles Legal gear methylgel 80 caps/bottle
I-MT - 1 bottle regular tablets (80)
Legal gear 4-ad+ 2 bottles 4AD 90 methylgel per bottle
1 bottle Legal Gear Formadrol (4OH and Diadzin)
1 bottle Sci-Fit Ecdysterone 300mg 90 caps (not ph just bug juuice)
1 bottle Sci-fit 19-Nor 50mg 60cap

Legal Gear transdermals:
2 bottles LGP-1-T hydroxy
2 bottles LGP 4AD+
1 bottle Dermasize ( iknow not PH but listed anyway)

2 bottles novadex 60caps
10 bottles 6-oxo

I hear there is some nolvadex buried up on the volcano here on the Big Island of Hawaii for PCT

I am 40 years, on a three day on two day off split. 4 years training HARD
bench 350

Trying to figure out how to organize this stuff in a fashion that makes sense. Possibly surrounding 2 week methyl with 1-ad front and back before pct.

[ghostwheel]

Hey I thought Gaspari's Novedex was included in the ban but it looks like DA is still selling it? Is that right?

:?:

[SNS8778]

Ghostwheel -

Due to the large amount you have and due to the legal climate, if you would like me to help out, feel free to e-mail me. I would rather do i that way than on a public board.

Just thought I would offer.

[ghostwheel]

Thanx, I will take you up on your offer.