M1T vs. 1-Testosterone

[USFstud]

I havent seen this topic discussed in depth in any threads...so I figured I would start one up

I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the comparison between 1-Testosterone and M1T. I see some claims made by the companies that M1T is 16x stronger than other Testosterone products, and to be honest I really dont see how this can be true.

The reason for my question was that I was going to buy some "Pharmagenx Methyl 1-Testagenx Magnum" and there were over-stocking problems so I had to settle with "Pharmagenx 1-Testagenx, Gain Hard & Lean Muscle". Am I really going to see much of a difference in these two products??

Also something that worried me a little was that there was a LARGE difference in the dosages for the prosteriods in these two different products. In the Methy-1 Test product there are only 10mg, whereas in the 1-Test stuff there are 55mg... Do I now need to worry more about side-effects with this increased dosage? And, is this cycle going to be harder on my body?

Thanks for the help!!

[SNS8778]

M1T is a completely different world than 1-Test. The only real advantage that regular 1-test has is that in that it is not as strong as Methyl 1-Test, it can be stacked with so many other ph's. There are only so many things that should be stacked with M1T.

The reason there is a large milligram difference is that M1T is much more effective at a lower dosage than 1-Test is. Methylated products are much stronger mg. for mg. versus non-methyl products. The 10 mg. of M1T is actually stronger than the 55 mg. of 1-Test so no need to worry in reference to your question about did you need to be more worried about the 1-Test. Also, 1-Test is not harder on your body than M1T, but arguably there is always the thing that how hard a product is on your body depends on your lifestyle factors as well.

Now, will you see a huge difference between 1-Test and M1T? Absolutely YES. M1T is a much more effective mass and strength builder than 1-Test. Most individuals can build more strength and size on a two week cycle of M1T than they would on a 6 to 8 week cycle of 1-Test. At the same time though, M1T is not for everyone.

[italndiesel]

agreed sns

the gains come fast, but they put some people's bodies through hell to make those gains....i did m1t once and will never do it again - i felt horrible and sick on it, however any other methyl i am ok with, but i only have done mohn, methyl 1 dien, and methyl 5aa........methyl 4 ad scares me as well for the potency of it

[USFstud]

Diesel that is a good point about the hell that M1T puts your body through. So, maybe taking the PharmaGenX 1-Testagenx is actually a better avenue for my situation because I really dont have that much experience with prohormones. About a year ago first I experimented with prohormones, and I only took the Androstat 150 Poppers made by Pinnacle. And from what I have read the Methyl 1-Test is in a total different league.

[max von]

sns8778

isnt it also true that while the gains your recieve on M1t are very quick you also have to cycle them very quickly wheres as the 1-t product you can take for a much longer time and the possible sides are less. This is why i always took 1-t instead of M1t as i was always worriedd about the side affects that could happen and dont get me wrong 1-t is not 100% safe either

max von

[wedgylx]

Due to my age I've only done a 1-T/4-AD stack. I'm saving the methyls for later :lol: . I really liked 1-T but I'm really excited to see what M1T can do for me

[max von]

wedglyx

i would love to do a M1t stack but kinda worried about the side that i have read about i did get some x-factor to try so will see what happens let me know how you do on your methals and if you lose any of your gains in post cycle

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

i would love to do a M1t stack but kinda worried about the side that i have read about i did get some x-factor to try so will see what happens let me know how you do on your methals and if you lose any of your gains in post cycle

max von

i wont be using my methyls for another year at least, I still have some 1-T/4-AD left

[max von]

i can wait what else am i going to do sit on the computer all night. wait thats all i do now

max von

[wedgylx]

i can wait what else am i going to do sit on the computer all night. wait thats all i do now

max von

haha, in that case i'll let you know

[max von]

thanks wedg you are the man

max von

[USFstud]

Max von & Wedgylx

You two have both mentioned taking 1-T instead of M1T. What types of gains did you obtain, and how long did you cycle for?

[wedgylx]

Max von & Wedgylx

You two have both mentioned taking 1-T instead of M1T. What types of gains did you obtain, and how long did you cycle for?

6 week cycle. Gained about 20 lbs. Some is water - very little is fat (bf% went down), I'll keep you posted on what I lose during pct.

[SNS8778]

sns8778

isnt it also true that while the gains your recieve on M1t are very quick you also have to cycle them very quickly wheres as the 1-t product you can take for a much longer time and the possible sides are less. This is why i always took 1-t instead of M1t as i was always worriedd about the side affects that could happen and dont get me wrong 1-t is not 100% safe either

max von

Max,
You can use 1-Test for a much longer duration than M1T. The thing is though that most people can make better progress off M1T in a short cycle than off of 1-Test in a longer cycle. Side effects are possible on any prohormone, but that does not mean they are likely.

[USFstud]

I am a little hesitant to have a 6 week cycle of 1-Test becuase I am only 23. Is that 6-week cycle typical? Would I be doing any good to my body to split the 6 weeks into 3 weeks on, two weeks off (with PCT) then three week on again - followed by PCT. Or would that be shocking my body even more, and hurting possible gains that could be made during the longer cycle?

I did read on a website about how it takes "3-4 weeks just to get enough 'build-up' of this product to produce results." - would you guys support the claim made by this website?

[max von]

sns8778 thats a good point about meths never thought about it as far as cycles i have dont 1-t for 12 weeks in a row with out any sides

max von

[wedgylx]

I am a little hesitant to have a 6 week cycle of 1-Test becuase I am only 23. Is that 6-week cycle typical? Would I be doing any good to my body to split the 6 weeks into 3 weeks on, two weeks off (with PCT) then three week on again - followed by PCT. Or would that be shocking my body even more, and hurting possible gains that could be made during the longer cycle?

I did read on a website about how it takes "3-4 weeks just to get enough 'build-up' of this product to produce results." - would you guys support the claim made by this website?

I saw my best gains after the 4th week.

I'm 19 and did a 6 week cycle of 1-T/4-AD

I think your gains would be dramatically affected by going 3on, 3off, 3on. You're also probably putting your body through more that way. I'd go 6 weeks.

[max von]

i think that just plain 1-t you need to take for longer than 6 weeks 12 weeks is just fine cause it takes several times to kick in before you get the full affect. I have done 12 weeks cycles several times with no problem. you do have to take 12 weeks off then tho

max von

[USFstud]

wow - thats some good news guys on the lengths of those cycles. I know everyone reacts differently to these things, but I like hearing success stories where no side-effects are happening with 1-T and some nice gains are being reported. Ill definately just try out a straight 6 week cycle of 1-T becuase that is all that in the bottle and I only bought one -- then I bought 3 bottles of M1T =) - but those are for next year.

Max Von and Wedgylx-
Max did you ever take any PCT after your 12 weeks cycles? Or, since you didnt notice any sides, you didnt need to? How much did you gain on those longer cycles, and how much did you end up losing?
Wedgylx, are you taking any PCT now after you 6 week cycle?

[SNS8778]

I know the last question was not directed at me, but I think Wedgylx and Max will both agree that you should not do any prohormone cycle without doing PCT. PCT is to help prevent sides from happening and should be used at the end of any ph cycle. It's when people don't do this is when you do hear of ph's having more side effects.

[wedgylx]

I know the last question was not directed at me, but I think Wedgylx and Max will both agree that you should not do any prohormone cycle without doing PCT. PCT is to help prevent sides from happening and should be used at the end of any ph cycle. It's when people don't do this is when you do hear of ph's having more side effects.

I agree totally here. I'm going to be using Nolva, Tribbulis, Milk Thistle (i know it isnt necessary since i used nothing methyl), and a combo of SNS CE2 and CVM extreme

I've gained around 20lbs, I'll lt you know what i lose.

My cycle went
Day 1-10 300mg 1-AD by ergopharm
400mg 4-AD+ by SNS
Split into 2 doses

Day 11-20 600mg 1-Test estergels by Molecular Nutrition
400mg 4-AD+ by SNS
Split into 2 doses

Day 21-60 pumps LGP Hydroxytest (400mg 1-T, 600mg 4-D)
100mg 4AD+ by SNS
split into 2 doses

[max von]

USFstud

i did a 12 week stack of 1-t and boldione from moleculer nuturion and yes i did do a pct i used there formastat that was part of the stack. Even if you dont see sides always do a pct never miss that the body needs that time. As far a weight i gained 15lbs over the time. I have lost only 5lbs and that was all water weight as my measurements have never changed for body size other that waist is smaller. The big difference for me is that i always put water weight on in my face and even my wife has said that is all gone and definition is gone. The good park is that it has been 10 weeks since i stopped


max von