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EDAWG146
January 13th, 2005, 04:39 PM
I was able to get 4 bottles of 4ad. Can I stack that with m ohn or do I have to use it with my m1 t. I know m1 t is recommended but I'm just curious to know all options. I'm on day 4 of m1 t and mohn. I started at 10mg of m1t and 12 mg of ohn, but just went up to 20mg and 16 mg respectively today (day 4). I'm gonna do this two on two and two off for six weeks.

SNS8778
January 13th, 2005, 06:15 PM
4-AD can be stacked with MOHN, but is most typically stacked with M1T.

Note: At the high dosage range you are using on your cycle, make sure you have your PCT and liver support supplement regimen correctly. Most people do not dose that high on that stack.

EDAWG146
January 13th, 2005, 09:04 PM
SNS, this is what i'm thinking; Since I already started the m1t ohn cycle, i'll run it for two weeks, then do 4ad and ohn for two (concurrent) then switch to 4ad and m1 t for two and back to 4ad ohn for two. I'm just gonna use use tribulus and betalean 7 for post therapy then jump on some of your creatine "jump off's". I'm not a believer in 6 oxo. I'd use nolva but I'm fresh out.

P.S. This is my inventory:

2 bottles of m1t
6 bottles of ohn
1 bottle of m 1 dien (all sns products)
4 bottles of 4ad 300 mg per cap.

Like I stated earlier the 4ad I'll have by early next week.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

"Gains By Any Means Necessary"

SNS8778
January 14th, 2005, 01:14 PM
First let me say that I have never ran a cycle the way you are talking about and have never talked to anyone that has. In my opinion,the cycle that you outlined would be harsh on the liver. The method that I would personally do since you have already started would be:
- finish your cycle and do PCT; then after a few week break:

Weeks 1 and 2: M1T and 4-AD XT
Weeks 3 and 4: 4-AD XT
Weeks 5 and 6: repeat weeks 1 and 2
Weeks 7 to 10: Creatine E2 Matrix (PCT as well)
Weeks 11 - 14: MOHN XT and Methyl-1-Dien
- PCT

As for your PCT, I myself use tribulus in PCT but many disagree. I also use ZMA. I have to suggest that some type of anti-e be used, but looking for an alternative to 6OXO is not a bad idea. We will have a very nice anti-e available within 2 months ourselves. I am a big fan of including liver supplements as well.

Hope that helps.

EDAWG146
January 14th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Back to reality! I'm just gonna finish my cycle as is. M1-t and ohn off and on for 4 weeks, take 4 weeks of, do pct, then do m1 dien and ohn . I'll run the m1 t 4ad next winter if anything. Also, i'm using himalaya liver care (2 tabs before bed) a multi vitamin and a bannana a day.

SNS8778
January 14th, 2005, 03:52 PM
If you need help with anything else, just let me know. I have never used Liver Care but have heard good things about it.

I hope I did not offend you with my critique on the way to do the products, I just feel that I am responsible for giving an honest opinion when asked for help. I just feel that I should never tell someone to do a cycle that I would not do myself.

italndiesel
January 14th, 2005, 06:50 PM
steve, is your anti -e going to be a test booster as well...i know clearing estrogen boosts test but I want to know if it will have compounds to do this as well - and the second question would be if you are creating a natrual test booster

as for the stack in this post, i believe it is harsh on the testes as well and would def recommend an anti e with trib

SNS8778
January 15th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Yes we are working on several concepts for natural test boosters. Our anti-e should work well as a test booster but it's main focus is on being a 'true' anti-e.