Help me with my Stack

[cuderbeast]

Hello.. I just want to say i love da.com and i read through these forums often. I am 16 and i am currently taking no-xplode, cell-mass, and nitrix. I almost scrapped this until i started noticing my workout weight going up. I only have about 10 days left on it so i am deciding to get something new. I have had some info and i am leaning toward:

ActivaTe by designer supplements
SNS Arginine E2 Matrix
SNS CVM Xtreme
SNS Inhibit-E

also later on i wanted to add cytosport cygainer in the mourning, musclemilk at night, glucophase xr, and animal pak. Would all this be ok? And on SNS inhibit-E it says not to exceed 8 weeks of continuous use? Should i do that or is that for PCT? If so how long should i wait before i get back on this? I also am having surgeory in march.(gettin my wisdom's out) Would it be ok to be on this through that or should i stop a few days prior and wait a few days after before use again? Thanks for your opinions and sorry for all the questions i just dont want to do this wrong. Marshall

[Trans_Isomer]

No activate, no Inhibite-e.

Those two mess around with your hormones, not something you want at age 16. A SNS stack of Arginine E2 Matrix + CVM Xtreme will be excellent. Never buy overpriced BSN supplements.

[cuderbeast]

Well BSN was the first thing i heard because i had tried t-tomb 2, endothil cr, and cell tech and got no true results. I also heard it through a guy who was in Iraq and said they blew up on it. So i shouldn't take activate or inhibit? just the 2 sns products?

[Trans_Isomer]

Yes, dont mess with any products meant to mess with your hormones till atleast the age of 21. Test boosters will do little to nothing for you since your hormone levels are already very, very high.

SNS makes great products, I highly recommend them. I advise against listening to "bro" advice.

This is a great forum to supplement advice. We could of already told your endothil, celltech, and tbomb are garbage :)

[cuderbeast]

Thanks for the help trans. Got any idea on protein or diet. I know my diet is poor but i've been trying and i've cut out fast food and coke for the most part and replaced it with milk and water. On my chest workout days here is my regiment. ive been working out since early august

flat bench: 135X5, 155X5, 165X5 Max bench is 195
incline bench:120X5, 130X5, 135X5
Dumbbell press: 60X5, 65X5, 65X5
incline dumbbell press: 55X5, 55X5, 60X5

That is my main but i also use cable fly's, regular and down.
Do you think i could get my workout weight in bench to 205 by june? I do chest twice a week and dont slack. I haven't been lifting long enough to know if thats doable but do you think that is out of my reach?

[Trans_Isomer]

Heres a nutrition calculator to help you determine how many calories you should be taking in daily:

http://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1394

Heres a good read on training and diet:

http://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53

Try to get 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight in daily.

[Trans_Isomer]

Heres a sample workout regimen. 205 by June sounds very reasonable


Day 1: Chest Sets Reps
Incline bench press 4 6-8
Flat bench press 4 6-8
Dumbell Flye 4 6-8
Cable Crossover 4 10-12

Day 2: back

Wide-grip front pulldown 4 6-8
Close-grip pulldown 4 6-8
T-bar row 4 6-8
Seated row 4 6-8
Back extension 4 10-12

Day 3: Legs

Squat 4 8-10
Leg press 4 8-10
Leg extension 4 8-10
Leg Curl 4 8-10

Day 4: Shoulders & Traps

One-arm lateral raise 4 8-10
Seated dumbell press 4 6-8
Bent-over dumbell raise 3 8-10
Dumbell shrug 4 8-10
Upright row 3 8-10

Day 5: Biceps & Triceps

Alternating dumbell curl 4 6-8
Seated preacher curl 4 6-8
Close-grip bench press 4 6-8
French press 4 6-8
Standing straight bar curl/
V-bar pressdown 4 6-8
Concentration curl/dip 4 6-8

Try to also do a short ab routine 2-3 times a week of about 4-5 sets of 25 reps of some weighted crunches.

-once your diet is down, you can take supplements these to aid in your recovery and strength

[cuderbeast]

Well our routines are very similiar. Here is mine.
Sunday and Thursday are chest/shoulders
flat bench. 3x5
incline bench. 3x5
db press 3x5
incline db press 3x5
front dumbbell raise 3x10
side dumbbell raise 3x10
shoulder shrugs 3x10-25
burnout in dips i do 65+

Monday and Friday are Arms
Close grip bench press 3x7
single dumbbell curls 3x5
hammer curls 3x5
skull crushers 3x10
preacher curls 3x10
v-bar push down 3x10
single arm push down 3x10
pull ups 3x8

So with a good diet, supplements and protein i hope to be benching 205x5 before june. Anything i should add to this?

[JRod72]

Lol this amazing I'm pretty much in the exact same situation as you cept a year older (17) lol i just started the bsn stack and after im done i was gonna get pretty much the exact stack you had planned lol, this thread is helping me tremendously. Haha, even my weights for the chest workout are bout the same as yours, lol. Amazing coincidence, now I know to avoid the test boosters too.

[Trans_Isomer]

You doing any ab work? Also, I thought you were referring to a max bench press for 205 which is a definite by june... for reps im sure you could if you train hard and eat right, your 16 and your hormones are starting to peak, you should be able to. Stay dedicated

[JRod72]

Would ZMA be ok to take? I've heard it gives u a slight boost in natural testosterone plus you sleep better with it too.

[Trans_Isomer]

ZMA gets a thumbs up from me

[cuderbeast]

I turn 17 in like 20 days. I dont plan abs but i hit them hard twice a week. So at my age test boosters/estrogen depressents are worthless? So activate and inhibit would be worthless and could cause sides?

[Trans_Isomer]

Your testosterone levels peak at age 18. Therefore, your hormones are working for you, no need for test boosters, estrogen reducers.

And yes, you could have sides if taken at this age. I bet if you eat right and train hard, you would see 10x better results are your age than taking activate and inhibit e. Remember,

Your Diet will make or break you
Your Diet will make or break you
Your Diet will make or break you
Your Diet will make or break you

Concentrate on getting 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. That should be one of your top priorities, along with hitting the amount of calories you need everyday.

Also, remember the definition of a supplement :

-Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole.

[cuderbeast]

Diet is a 24x7 thing and thats what makes it so hard. I know mine is probably really poor but i'm working on it. I read that link about diet and it said 5 medium sized meals. That is really difficult. How many grams of protein or cals are in a protein shake. Just a rough estimate?

[Trans_Isomer]

A scoop of protein is about 24g of protein, look at the label on the protein jug to find out.

My protein shake is 16 ounces milk with 2 scoops of protein, so about 64g of protein there. I drink that 3 times a day along with oats and more milk.

And I really dont recommend any supplements besides a multivitamin or protein until you get your diet down. Youll just end up wasting money.

[cuderbeast]

Well i see that my protein is down alot. I will order some muscle milk and cytogainer. Does protein help with your strenght?

[wedgylx]

Does protein help with your strenght?

YES!

;)

if you want to build muscle, you're relying a lot on protein intake

[gncrep]

Well BSN was the first thing i heard because i had tried t-tomb 2, endothil cr, and cell tech and got no true results. I also heard it through a guy who was in Iraq and said they blew up on it. So i shouldn't take activate or inhibit? just the 2 sns products?

How do you get the money to pay for these at 16? I couldnt buy new skateboard wheels with the money I had coming in at 16.

[Trans_Isomer]

How do you get the money to pay for these at 16? I couldnt buy new skateboard wheels with the money I had coming in at 16.

O/T... you skate?

[SNS8778]

I would take the CVM Xtreme and Arginine E2 Matrix.

I would hold off on the Activate and Inhibit-E due to your age.

I know Trans had already anwered you, I just saw the post and wanted to answer as well.

If you have any questions or need any help, just let me know.

[cuderbeast]

Well thanks everybody.... and how do i get the money? Well i work alot on the Air Force base... and workout their.... the gym on the Little Rock AirForce base is godly...... makes me want to burn the rest of them down. But i worked 40 hours a week 8 to 5 on base all summer and now i work p/t.

[SNS8778]

Well thanks everybody.... and how do i get the money? Well i work alot on the Air Force base... and workout their.... the gym on the Little Rock AirForce base is godly...... makes me want to burn the rest of them down. But i worked 40 hours a week 8 to 5 on base all summer and now i work p/t.

Commendable. Best of luck to you with your results.

[gncrep]

O/T... you skate?


O/T ?

I'm writing more right now because it has to be at least 10 characters to post.

[cuderbeast]

Hey guys i'm sorry but i'm lost.... is CVM extreme like cell mass or no xplode or a mix?

[Trans_Isomer]

Its like a No-Xplode + Cellmass, let me explain....

NoXplode you use for preworkout energy and pumps, well the Glucoronalactone and Taurine in the CVM Xtreme will provide energy, and the Diarginine malate in CVM Xtreme will provide excellent pumps

Cellmass's main ingredient is creatine ethyl ester malate, CVM Xtreme contains this as well.

So basically you are asking which one over the other since they are so similar, well...

BSN NO-Xplode
2-3 scoops per serving, will last 20 to 13 days for $31.95
BSN Cellmass
2 scoops per day, will last 20 days for $31.95

SNS CVM Xtreme
50 servings, one scoop twice a day, equals 25 days worth for $34.95

So it will last longer than either of the BSN products, cost only $3 bucks more, and is a more complete formula of both Preworkout Energy/Pumps/Cell Volumization

[cuderbeast]

Well this is off topic but i am curious... i've been doin my workout routine now maybe 3 months... Do i need to change it up?

[dinoiii]

To Everyone Who Has Offered This Guy Advice On Supps Without Challenging Why He Has No Leg Routine Is Way Beyond Me So I Have Refrained Until Now!

[cuderbeast]

Well i have been working my legs lately just not near as hard as my upperbody and i only do a few exercise's with them. I am trying to get into them though.