What is good for post cycles of M1T and 4AD

[fastfreddie]

I was just woundering if anyone had any input on what would be good for a post cycle to keep all gains made such as natural testosterone boosters and anti estrogen. I already know about keeping a high calorie intake. Also are these supplements stronge enough where someone may need to take actual medicated anti estrigen pills to prevent "Bitch Tits". Thanks for your help

[max von]

fast
6oxo is agood product best is novlex to take hope i spelled that right its late and im tired but must do pct also alot of guys are having good luck doing cee or no product

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[italndiesel]

aromadex by vpx is awesome as well as a trib product (biotest tribex)

[AXResources]

6oxo kicks booty

[wedgylx]

Also are these supplements stronge enough where someone may need to take actual medicated anti estrigen pills to prevent "Bitch Tits". Thanks for your help

It doesnt get much stronger than M1T.

[dinoiii]

Everyone has given you solid choices + info fastfreddie! I really don't want to add much more except potentially the option of 4 OH-AD.

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fastfreddie

Bitchtits is the one thing that has kept me away from taking them. I know from guys on here that you can take care of that but with my luck id be stuck looking like a women

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[wedgylx]

fast
best is novlex to take hope i spelled that right its late and im tired

nolvadex :D

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wedglyx

thanks buddy my spelling sucks

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[wedgylx]

I've been reading a few posts of people using nolva and 6-oxo together and having great PCT's. Might be worth a try for anyone using M1T

[max von]

better hurry tho or you wont need it unless you stocked up

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[B.I.G.]

Hey wed...are you referring to the Novadex Extreme?

[wedgylx]

Hey wed...are you referring to the Novadex Extreme?

No I am referring to Tamoxifen Citrate.

For a real quality post cycle you could stack 6-oxo with tamoxifen citrate

[max von]

wedglyx

thats a good on never thought of doing that

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[dinoiii]

If you stack 6-oxo and Nolva, please consider the lowest effective dose on the Nolva and at least double the dose of the 6-oxo as listed on the bottle. If you don't know what the LED is, it may not be time for PHs for you in the first place.


Personally, I think that the 2 of them together are unnecessary and unwarranted as has been discussed. This goes along the lines of someone saying, If I take Product x and get decent results, taking Products x, y, and z must amplify my results by 3. This is NOT the case!!!Whomever, on these forums or whereever starts these ideas is downright FOOLISH and knows nothing about the body at all. If you are using Nolva, monotherapy is sufficient. If you are using 6-oxo (while I am not necessarily the biggest fan), if you opt to "double up," choose something like 4-OH AD.

Your body is likely going to "peter out" using both for long periods of time IMO. If you don't believe me, perhaps, I'll see you on the wards soon enough.

[wedgylx]

If you stack 6-oxo and Nolva, please consider the lowest effective dose on the Nolva and at least double the dose of the 6-oxo as listed on the bottle. If you don't know what the LED is, it may not be time for PHs for you in the first place.


Personally, I think that the 2 of them together are unnecessary and unwarranted as has been discussed. This goes along the lines of someone saying, If I take Product x and get decent results, taking Products x, y, and z must amplify my results by 3. This is NOT the case!!!Whomever, on these forums or whereever starts these ideas is downright FOOLISH and knows nothing about the body at all. If you are using Nolva, monotherapy is sufficient. If you are using 6-oxo (while I am not necessarily the biggest fan), if you opt to "double up," choose something like 4-OH AD.

Your body is likely going to "peter out" using both for long periods of time IMO. If you don't believe me, perhaps, I'll see you on the wards soon enough.

I've seen people use them both at lowered dosages of nolva and recommended dosages of 6oxo and get great post cycles.

[max von]

B.I.G
just use the nolvex and you will have the best product

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[dinoiii]

Really Wedg,

I would always say that I think the dosing on the supplement's bottle is conservative and can be supported by lab values....stay tuned....

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Dinoiii

but isnt the whole point of using the dosegaes that are on the bottle put there for the reason thats what the companys feels is safe and anything higher could be dangerous. That the logic that is always used with methls

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[dinoiii]

The bottles' posted values is for protection purposes all right, not for you - but them!!!

I think Steve and I have already threw this idea around before about his position and his suggestions and mine, no?

[dinoiii]

Although higher can be "dangerous" Max, so can smaller doses in some people. There are some legal concerns though when you start saying as a company to take "x" dose MAX and then something "happens." Now, it may not be attributed to the supplement at all (recall ephedra autopsy reports), but they could find themselves in a legal conundrum due to their recommendations.

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dinoiii

gotcha then how do you know what is the right amount if you dont go by that is there a gauge for some one to follow so as to take the right amount

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[B.I.G.]

dinoiii...say your not a fan of 6-oxo. So what is it you prefer (pct) that's available on DA.com?

[max von]

B.I.G.

6-oxo is prob the best that i think is sold on here some other people may have had other stuff work but on here i think its the best

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[dinoiii]

Ok - so I now I see why everyone says I am not a fan of 6-oxo. :oops:



What I was saying in this thread is

(1) If you choose to use Nolva - monotherapy (the use of it as a stand ALONE) is sufficient at 10 mg! However, many of you may find it difficult to obtain (from your doctor of course).

(2) If you opt for 6-oxo - adjunct therapy is ideal! My first option in this case would be a supp that contains 4-OH AD. Secondly, Calcium D-glucarate and DIM show minor support and may be an ok addition.

(3) You do NOT need to stack Nolva with 6-oxo as many forums suggest (if you question why - I have talked about it in the past, but refer to point #1 which summarizes many of my previous posts).

(4) As far as D.A. and what my choices for PCT would be:

1st choice: VPX Aromadex (currently out of stock - but this contains 6-oxo ++)
2nd choice: 6-oxo + either Legal Gear Formadrol or Gaspari Novedex Extreme (not to be confused with the drug NOLVADEX)
3rd Choice: SAN Estrodex
4th Choice: 6-oxo (monotherapy - only if cannot do aforementioned 3)
5th Choice: Any 4-OH AD (there are many to choose from monotherapy - only if cannot do any of first 4)


* There are rationales for where I placed each and why I stacked it the way I did, but I am very tired at this time (again on east coast and went a little overboard the last few days prepping for my move).