need some help

[jasonace]

what do u think is the best

fatburnner?

supp for enegry?

what is the best stack for the biggest hardest most cut up i could be?

what do u think of GAT C4 would it work any better if u took 6cap 3time a day?

let me know what everone thinks.

[max von]

the best fat burner i think out there is the new hot rox as far as supps for hardness Myochem and SnS both make great products. Im sure both steve and leonard will type you as soon as they have time

max von

[wedgylx]

Adenergy by ON, Leanfire by Instone are both good energy supplements. When it comes to thermo's, Hot Rox and SAN Tight are the only ones I've heard good reviews on. Getting rid of Ephedra ruined the thermo market. I'm waiting for the replacement....

[italionstallionl]

fat loss-hot rox
biggest stack-depends on how long you've been lifting-ph stacks can get pretty damn complicated
gat c4 taken that much might work better for you, it might not make a difference, again it depends on you and how your body responds to it, body size, etc

[italionstallionl]

just thinking about this was this thread a joke?

if you wanted some good answers you would have posted more about yourself, size, experience, we dont even know if your male or female

[jasonace]

thanks i guss i could should have gave you more info about myslef iam 6ft 3 1/2ins tall male 215lbs 21 years of age soon to be 22 on the 12th been lifting for 4 years use to play alot of basketball but cut down on it now. try to eat 2grams of pro. per pound a day. and 1gram of slow burring carbs such a wheat bread and othmeal per pond. most of my workouts are after work around 7pm. 5-6 excerizes for the big body body parts 4-5 for the small ones 4-5sets each increesing lbs each sets
frist set 12-14reps, 2nd 10, 3rd 8-10, 4th8-6, 5th6-1. work every mussle once a week with exception of abbs clafs and forarms 2 times a week.
I splt my leg day in 2 with 48hrs in betwine quads one day hams two days later. let me know if you need more info. :P :D

[wedgylx]

I splt my leg day in 2 with 48hrs in betwine quads one day hams two days later. let me know if you need more info. :P :D

I think thats a bad idea. There arent that many exercises I can think of that work hammy's without working quads. Many quad workouts also workout hammy's. I'd personally just keep em together

[dinoiii]

5-6 excerizes for the big body body parts 4-5 for the small ones 4-5sets each increesing lbs each sets


Does anyone else have a problem with this volume?

[dinoiii]

Please email: absivs_revenge@hotmail.com

[wedgylx]

5-6 excerizes for the big body body parts 4-5 for the small ones 4-5sets each increesing lbs each sets


Does anyone else have a problem with this volume?

Depends by what he means by "big body part". Legs, and back? Then no problem here.

Back, legs I'd go with 4-6 exercises each depending on amount of sets.
Pec, Tri's Id go with 3-4 exercises each.
Delts, Bi's I'd say 3 exercises each.
Traps 1-2 exercises

[SNS8778]

Getting rid of Ephedra ruined the thermo market. I'm waiting for the replacement....

Give me about 4 to 6 weeks. :D

[dinoiii]

His tallies would yield 20-30 sets for back and legs as "big body parts." Do you really agree with those volumes? I don't think a fat burner is the problem to consider here. And likely an energy supplement only because he needs more energy to get him through his LONG and tiring workouts ON AN APPARENT DAILY BASIS.

I'm sorry BUT you and I Wedg are on VERY opposite ends of the fence here.

[AXResources]

Check out Myo-Lean or Throttle 1400X for Fat Loss. A lot of people are saying that Throttle is giving them the same effects as ephedra. The two stacked is amazing. DA should have them both soon.

[wedgylx]

His tallies would yield 20-30 sets for back and legs as "big body parts." Do you really agree with those volumes? I don't think a fat burner is the problem to consider here. And likely an energy supplement only because he needs more energy to get him through his LONG and tiring workouts ON AN APPARENT DAILY BASIS.

I'm sorry BUT you and I Wedg are on VERY opposite ends of the fence here.

I guess his breakdown of the sets is what confused me.

You could run the prior brakedown I gave at 2-3 sets per exercise (4-6 rep range for most of them) and get a great workout, jasonace.

[max von]

i have to agree with wedglyx do your legs on the same day. Splitting them in 2 does you know good cause as wedg said there are not that many exercises and chances are you will hit the same part of legs again

max von

[dinoiii]

Seeing how we sort of got stuck on the workout thing, I think that I have to once again disagree with Wedg on the leg thing.

I think you could certainly benefit from working hams and quads on DIFFERENT days with the following rationale in mind:

--> if you work hams and quads on the same day, and as Wedg says the exercise selection is a problem b/c you get indirect stimulation of the antagonist, then if you choose to do 4-5 exercises for quads and 4-5 exercises for hams...YOU ARE SERIOUSLY OVERTRAINING. Now, you likely can drop those tallies down to 2-3 sets per hams and quads or a tally that allows you to work hams and quads a total of 4-5 sets....you are LIKELY GOING TO CREATE IMBALANCES ... which is even more dangerous.

--> Personally, I feel it is absolutely ideal to work what are considered the classic ham and quad lifts on different days separated by at least one day in between with an upper body day. YOU SHOULD SPEND EQUAL TIME ON UPPER AND LOWER BODY over the course of a week and I often see many trainees offer their bodies one day of chest, one day of back, one day of arms (or split this up into bis and tris WHICH BTW I DO NOT EVEN THINK WARRANT THEIR OWN DAY AT ALL OF DIRECT TRAINING NOR MORE THAN 1-2 exercises). All those are kind of classically considered upper body, while you then offer one day to legs - WOW!!! Why we have a bunch of top-heavy men walking around.

--> Want big biceps? SQUAT /// Want thick lats? DEADLIFT /// Want a ripped chest? GOOD MORNING'S ANYONE? /// Shredded tris? CLEAN + PRESS

whole body stimulation for endocrine homeostasis, too much of anyone you are likely not living to your potential thanks to bb mags, etc... YOUR BODY'S SYSTEMS ALL WORK TOGETHER AND CONVENIENTLY WORK TOGETHER THROUGH HORMONES!!!!!!

[wedgylx]

Idk about you dinoiii but if I hit my quads with the right intensity on monday, theres no way I'm going to be able to do hams on wednesday.

I have definately heard of people splitting legs and getting good results, I just think its worth a try putting them together

[max von]

I have always done them on one day as wedge said and has worked very well, but Dinoiii you make a good point and always looking for change ups think i will give it a try what the heck cant hurt. I like the fresh ideas

max von

[dinoiii]

Idk about you dinoiii but if I hit my quads with the right intensity on monday, theres no way I'm going to be able to do hams on wednesday.

I have definately heard of people splitting legs and getting good results, I just think its worth a try putting them together

I guess this depends on the definition of "INTENSITY" you use Wedg.

Somewhere along the drift known as bodybuilding time, the definition got mixed up. I see people posting "anihilation" type set ups where they are doing like 20-30 sets in one day vs. pure "stimulation" set ups.

Anihilation does NOT equal intensity, nor does moving from one work station to the next like a madman claiming intensity because you did 100 sets today and plan on having a more "intense" workout the next time by doing 100 sets yield intense either.

BOTTOM LINE: If you are as INTENSE as you claim, by definition, it yields something more along the lines of an HST type setup style. This incorporates Heavy Duty principle for the Mike Mentzer camp, yet actual research to back up why this is the case - not moving from one set to set or throwing in rigorous HIIT sessions to further "intensify" it by adding anything BUT MORE WEIGHT! The idea is to stimulate, NOT anihilate -- and your frequency of hitting that muscle group again is as INTENSE as you make it. I will post soon - what I call the "Endocrine 1-2-3 Workout" in the "Articles" section of this forum. Give it 2-4 weeks versus your current program and tell me what INTENSE is!

[dinoiii]

I want to say more about the workout but will save it for the program as fully posted.

[max von]

i made the change last night and posted it on my thread for noz but felt pretty good see how feels later in week

max von

[wedgylx]

I wasnt saying it wouldnt work dinoiii, just that i prefer it together. Honestly I've only tried them seperate a few times. I'll give it a second shot sometime after my pct.

[max von]

wedglyx

i did it last night and my legs are killing me today more than ever before not sure if its cause of the change but kinda feels good

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

i did it last night and my legs are killing me today more than ever before not sure if its cause of the change but kinda feels good

max von

you did what last night? I'm kind of confused

[max von]

wedglyx

sorry sometimes forget to fill in all the gaps spilt legs like Dinoiii was talking about thought i give that a try for a couple of weeks to see if it worked

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

sorry sometimes forget to fill in all the gaps spilt legs like Dinoiii was talking about thought i give that a try for a couple of weeks to see if it worked

max von

which muscles did you train last night? and What exercises?

[max von]

just did hamstrings did curls on stomach and then leg extensions oh and i did calf raises too


max von

[wedgylx]

just did hamstrings did curls on stomach and then leg extensions oh and i did calf raises too


max von

That kind of illustrates my point. You were trying ot isolate hamstrings yet used leg extensions which really target quads. What else is there? Lunges which also hit the quads a little? Deads or good mornings which hit lower back? Thats kind of what steers me away from splitting legs up.

Plus, when are you going to work quads? they should be a little sore from the extensions.

[noob]

--> Want big biceps? SQUAT /// Want thick lats? DEADLIFT /// Want a ripped chest? GOOD MORNING'S ANYONE? /// Shredded tris? CLEAN + PRESS

I followed through most of this, but what does "GOOD MORNING's ANYONE?" mean? I'm missing the slang I think. ;)

[max von]

that is a very good point wedg and you are right that my quads do feel it a little bit not quite as much but i do feel sore in hammys thought id try i once to see but i do so your point and a good one

thanks

max von

[wedgylx]

that is a very good point wedg and you are right that my quads do feel it a little bit not quite as much but i do feel sore in hammys thought id try i once to see but i do so your point and a good one

thanks

max von

Definately worth a try, let me know how its working for you. I think you might want to choose a little differently when splitting them though

[wedgylx]

--> Want big biceps? SQUAT /// Want thick lats? DEADLIFT /// Want a ripped chest? GOOD MORNING'S ANYONE? /// Shredded tris? CLEAN + PRESS

I followed through most of this, but what does "GOOD MORNING's ANYONE?" mean? I'm missing the slang I think. ;)

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBBentKneeGoodMorning.html

[max von]

prob right but im sure i wont be doing this to many more times as that is just trying to add more time to get workout in.

p.s do you like my dog hes my partner

max von