PCT I-force Reversitol and Max-out

[Dannyboy]

Ive heard of some saying that this might be a bad idea, but nonetheless.
I made a promise to iforce to run them both for pct. I will get tests afterwards for testosterone.

2 reversitols at night, 3 maxouts a day

Morning- 1 maxout
midday- 1 maxout
night- 1 maxout, 2 reversitols

This last week ive been sick with with that new h151 whatever virus. also last week was the start of pct. lol. so ive had the flu while in a hormonal imbalance. Lets just say lethary was insane, i dont even think i thought about sex once. and the depression, whew man that sucked, on top of that i was coughin sneezing going to work, was not able to workout, chills, fever. blah.


its been a week now, sunday. I started on monday. And am not sick anymore. also i must be recovering well. as the lethargy is almost gone, sex drive is up, and ive been dying to work out.. i will be updating with pictures and workout logs.

i will be working out with unilateral muscle building routines and endurance calisthenics. (preparing for 18x)

[EDAWG146]

Good luck, both are very solid products. I still think you should save the max-out for after, but who am I.

[Dannyboy]

i know. i know. but they gave it to me as a gift to run with the reversitol.
so its really just to show effectiveness for pct. prolly would be better for gains after wards.

man am i feeling lethargy like crazy. i have never been this shutdown before. its insane. lol.

[ChefDeez]

You made a promise to iforce? I'm sure they'll forgive you if you don't keep that promise...I wouldn't use Max Out in pct, but that's just me. Reversitol is fine though.

[Dannyboy]

well more like a promise to Dave A. he said it would be good to add in the maxout to the pct. 3 steps forward 1 step back. i wasnt trying to argue with a dude givin me a free bottle to run for pct. But i kind of new that it has certain androgenic effects. sooo. i mean if i shouldnt i wont. maybe ill run it solo for them. but dave told me it would be fine.

the only thing i was worried about was the 25R. but like i said, free bottle.

[Dannyboy]

5/26/2009

feeling better in the energy department, still experiencing lethargy. Just not that much. joints are killing me, must be the AI in reversitol. still no sex drive, but its only been a week and 2 day so the jury is still out.

yesterdays workout. (not good) losing quite a bit of strength..

pullups (fat bar) 3 sets of 7
pushup 2 sets of 20
situps 2 sets of 20
back extension, body weight 3 sets of 15 at 265lbs
bodyweight squats 2x20
body weight row with a smith bar 2x10

i can do alot more than this, so i must really be shutdown. although i could use to lose 10lbs in either muscle or fat, cuz im so freaking heavy and want to make army rangers by october.

thanks guys

[jef2007]

Did you just finish a cycle? or are you just running this as a PCT? im in to see how well these work for you. I havent tried them yet. Good luck with it.
also ide try an energy drink of some sort if your lathargy is keeping you from getting going.

[Dannyboy]

yeah i had just finished a cycle of dymethazine and bold 200. i was on the bold for about 2 months. and boy am i shut down.

im with you on that jef. Been downing coffee like 3 large cups a day. been helping quite a bit. still experiencing some lethargy.

keeping gains pretty well though, i was 280, over weight and now i am 245 much stronger than when i started, and leaning up.. i have kept my strength very well.

if you can fork out the cash running bold for 8 weeks with dymethazine while recomping is awesome, soo much energy and endurance. but no sex drive.
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last night i had my first erection in like a month. no joke. i didnt even rub it out. i was just soo proud lol.

last nights workout was.
3 sets of 20 for pushups,
2 sets of 6 for pull ups.
3 sets of 160 tbar rows for 15 reps
3 sets of 20 situps
3 sets of body weight squats for 20

i was really dragging in the gym, i didnt even want to do cardio. hopefully the next few days will start to pick up. by the beginning of the 3rd week i should see some noted improvement in energy, this always happens but on a month cycle, it only last a week. i was on a 2 month stack. so we shall see. stay posted, ill update with some pics

[Dannyboy]

here is a write up of AA on skeletal muscle. I think it should be fine for pct.

The method of administering arachidonic acid for the purpose of increasing the level of the prostaglandin PGF2alpha and subsequently skeletal muscle mass. PGF2alpha is not an androgenic steroid, but an endogenous prostaglandin. It is referred to commonly as an inflammatory hormone, and is related to several biological functions including immunity, response to allergens, intestinal mobility and blood flow in various regions of the body. PGF2alpha is also closely tied to skeletal muscle protein synthesis in the body (Biochem J 1983 Sep. 15;214(3):1011-4), and represents an important new target for the external modulation of skeletal muscle mass distinct from the mechanisms involving male sex steroids. This method of using arachidonic acid for increasing PGF2alpha and skeletal muscle mass is an ideal solution for an individual in need of such treatment, because PGF2alpha is non-steroidal, and can increase protein synthesis and muscle mass without the potential undesirable side effects associated with altering sex steroid levels with androgen precursor hormones.


<LI style="MARGIN-LEFT: 15px" CNO7c="0" ZVt_1="0">“Arachidonic Acid, Prostaglandin E2 and F2alpha Influences Rates of Protein Turnover in Skeletal and Cardiac Muscle”, Rodemann et al., The Journal of Biological Chemistry, vol. 257, No. 4, 1982, pp. 1632-1638.

[Dannyboy]

sorry about that guys,
i had to go to nyc for a death in the family, i have continued taking my pct products and i have to say recovery has been nice. many woodies have resulted, i have also gotten really strong, 1 arm push ups 1 arm squats and 1 arm pull ups. now bear with me they were like 3-4 reps come on ya know lol.

[Dannyboy]

i was working out ghetto style at a playground in brooklyn

[Dannyboy]

Thanks B-Natural, after a couple days spent in nyc, i have come after the idea of an all-natural approach to lifting, and supplementing. I have began an increased desire in Krav Maga and bodyweight and Calisthenics exercises. I have examined gymnast and fighter style workouts and the importance of stretching, I have also noticed that even though i am not fat, i am heavy and not very functional. my joints always take a beating and my health is in poor shape always. I will cessate from weights gradually until july 4, then i will be complete with my workout plan. I have lost interest in bodybuilding as it is an exuse (for me) to be as vain and narcissicstic as possible. I will however continue to support this community and forum, ie recommendations to the website to collegeues and friends. and still chill on the forums and even buy multi vits and other aminoacid supps, like nitric and creatine.

sorry for the rant lol:D

[thebigt]

What brought about the change? In any sport or activity, some narcissisim will come into play regardless. It all depends on how you approach it and how vain you choose to be. Bodybuilding is a very narcissistic way of life, but it's always a challenge, its a progression towards better. People need to look at things as a challenge, a way to step up their game. It shouldn't be a lack of appreciation for yourself, and a way to praise others either, as this sport demands a lot of you both physically and mentally. I feel that this lifestyle helps keep me sane and helps keep me on the right track. I know if I slack off I'll pay for those actions in the gym. I know that if I feel down, I can bust @ss in the gym and relieve that stress. There are other methods and practices you can follow, I am just saying I wouldn't give up on this so quickly. Stretching is vital to a bodybuilder and those that fail to do so, feel the pain down the road with torn cuffs and ruptured tendons.

hell yeah, lifting weights is something i am good at. if i have a bad day at work or home i know i will get an ego boost and feel good about my self when i am lifting heavy. we are luck to have a 'hobby' that is actually good for you.

[EDAWG146]

Dude, I live in the Bronx, and I do that "ghetto style" of training your referring to. My "cali" game is pretty decent for a big guy. I do more Cali's then anything at the moment, having to force myself to hit the weights.

[jef2007]

im adding incline pushups,pushups at the end of my chest and tricep workouts, and im thinking of adding jumping jacks after abbs.
I wish i could jump rope, but not to great at it so i dont.

[Dannyboy]

i know that im starting to come back (hormonally) because of my sex drive its back to the swing of things. bustin 3 a day. which is below for me. eh...

my workouts are starting to get intense too. yesterday i did 6 sets of pullups

overhand 2 sets of 8
supinated 2 sets of 6
hammer grip 2 sets of 4
then i killed it with variations like towel pullups and deadlift pullups. with one rep of each. most pullups in a day to date. lol.

I did 3 sets of handstand pushups for 8 reps each set

4 sets of 20 pushups. and 3 sets of 20 body weight squats with 5 reps of one legged squats on each leg to kill em.

sex drive, confidence and overall mood is back. cant wait to see how i feel next week.

And lethargy is practically gone.

today i will work
core, stability, more pushups, and isolations and stretch. oh how lovely it is to stretch.

[Dannyboy]

yeah b-natural, dont get me wrong... i love the weights. im scandenavian
with background blood of polish, romanian, austrian, scottish.(i got one of those national geo dna test lol. anyways i didnt need that test to tell me. im naturally really good with weights. they just come natural, ya know?

but sadly, but not too sadly i am going army ranger contract in about 6 months. you know boot camp, airborne, ranger school. i could fail, or i could pass. it is all dependent on my training. i want to go in feeling like boot camp is easy and airborne is a breeze and think that ranger school was the challenge. so endurance is the way to go.

i wish i could continue lifting. and i prolly will when im done with training. but it will be more to maintain strength and stuff. not knockin bodybuilding or anything like that, bodybuilding got me off of drugs and a deep depression. It got me into a healthy lifestyle, that would have not of happened other wise. but soon it became all about the mirror and the scale.

it became depressing (for me) because it felt like all i had to offer was my asthetics. i had no functional qualities to the muscle, just that it was for show. But like krav maga or m-thai or bjj, they get you cut and built just in different ways and they teach your to use the muscles for defense.
just saying that after 4 years of persuing being a fitness model and doing shows and stuff. i can say it was fun. but now im broke and need a new career path.

Dont get me wrong, to some extent egoism and narcissism is definatly need for the self, and self preservation, especially in new america. anyone born in the 1980s and up. But it seemed to really take me over. i have alot of self esteem issues and until i work those out. i cant continue to bodybuild.

although... tanning is lame. i feel as a man....this is totally unnessasary.:p

[Dannyboy]

yeah, i called it ghetto training, cuz i was watching youtube a whileback and they had this training style called ghetto training. these guys went to playgrounds street lights, building edges. it was insane. and they were all reasonably built. And i thought man, im wasting alot of money in a gym lol.

I actually wanted to head up to the bronx, manhattan was yuppified and brooklyn seems to be seeing alot of gentrification, condos ect.
whenever i brought the bronx up with locals they seemed agitated and always had a story.

"i remember when i walked through the bronx. ill never go back". thats what some kid said to me.

Personally if i wasnt there for only a day and a half. i would have gone up their. i imagine living in a place, that has such a reputation, would edge you up and toughen you up.

i personally love how people are in your face in new york, no personal bubble. i love that. i live in the subs of dc. but not like the nice burbs ya know. just a 2 bedroom, one level house. but we have this bubble. i dont even know my next door neighbors. i would like to but when i go to talk to them they seem scared. like my kindness, makes them not trust me. its really strange.

sorry for the rant guys. its 5 am at the pentagon mall. and im tired and wired.

[EDAWG146]

i know that im starting to come back (hormonally) because of my sex drive its back to the swing of things. bustin 3 a day. which is below for me. eh...

my workouts are starting to get intense too. yesterday i did 6 sets of pullups

overhand 2 sets of 8
supinated 2 sets of 6
hammer grip 2 sets of 4
then i killed it with variations like towel pullups and deadlift pullups. with one rep of each. most pullups in a day to date. lol.

I did 3 sets of handstand pushups for 8 reps each set

4 sets of 20 pushups. and 3 sets of 20 body weight squats with 5 reps of one legged squats on each leg to kill em.

sex drive, confidence and overall mood is back. cant wait to see how i feel next week.

And lethargy is practically gone.

today i will work
core, stability, more pushups, and isolations and stretch. oh how lovely it is to stretch.

Handstand push ups are hard, congrats on that, I can't do em', rather haven't tried to do em'. Step ur push up game up though. Your young you gotta get more push ups in, especially if your not doing dips in the routine. If your only doing cali's then your push up game should be in the hundreds in one work out session. Pull ups get better with time. On average I do 10 sets of each super setted of pulls,dips and push ups. CRAZy pumped after. Oh and I'm fat so it looks even better.

[Dannyboy]

My Marine (Marsoc) friend told me to do 200 in an intense workout and 200 the following day spread throughout the day. So that way when i test out i can bang out like 50. I dont know, i seem to be stuck at 23, i was doing like 30 on dymethazine. but i lost a little of that endurance.

Pullups should be up to 10 next week.(i hope)

[Dannyboy]

Ill throw in partial dips, but i read going parrallel to the floor is bad for the internal rotator. Man i dont need shoulder problems. My Knees and elbows are all dried out, it must be the Reversitol, considering that bromo and atd are AI's, and estrogen modulates synovial fluid and fluid retention/collagen int the joints. Its a price worth payin.

[Dannyboy]

Been getting the need to masturabate more and have sex. Been bustin more loads/volume. feeling like a ghostbuster. "Bustin makes me feel good" lol.
Seriously. Energy is up more today. i can feel myself getting stronger, but i have to stay hydrated cuz of my joints. i think i might even have tweaked my knee abit having sex this morning, thats how dry you will become. but man, its only 2 1/2 weeks in and im feeling fully recovered, its amazing. but man am i getting sore. It must be the arachidonic acid. Also i seem to be dropping a signifigant amount of Bodyfat. (not sure if its from the cyclic ketogenic diet. but it sure is helping)

Also they seem to be helping with my endurance and energy levels, i havent had more than 5-10 carbs a day and my endurance and energy levels are sick. Eating Fat and Protein though.

Sadness and lethargy are gone. completely. I feel great, i feel better on this stuff then i did on dymethazine. Its crazy man. CRAZY

Vascularity and pumps are pretty good and hardness/density are good.

[EDAWG146]

Dude, I don't know about you sometimes.

[Dannyboy]

i agree with you 100%

[Dannyboy]

ill be updating with pics tommorow.

[Dannyboy]

yeah i know, that pretty much what had fueled it. I have to change my whole workout schema. from fast twitch II to fast twitch IIa and slow twitch muscle fibers. i will miss the good old 8-10. but when im 35 and i might be considering growth hormone lol;)

[Dannyboy]

comin up on my last week. gonna start a 10 rep reg.

[RisingAgainst]

interesting log... ;)