Ergo or Methyl 4AD

[trepic]

Please tell me which product is better Ergo 4-AD or Legal Gear Methyl 4-AD to stack with M1T, M-OHM, M-1,4ADD. Ergo pill is 300 mg, Methyl is 10 mg. + 100 mg. Thank you.

[italionstallionl]

speaking of ph's, this post might be better off in that section of the forum

sorry, but i dont know much about ph's, im sure dinoiii and some others will be happy to help

[dinoiii]

I agree with your classification based on the heading and all the talk of PHs --> based on the subject offerings, it may be better served in that part of the forum Stallion.

You are likely to get the answers you want trepic from those interested in talking about PH's vs. just regular supplements -- but it is tricky, b/c in 2 weeks does the PH part of the forum OFFICIALLY CHANGE to the STEROIDS section?


Nonetheless, I think it will be time for a new classification scheme, Chris. This is an opinion though.

You can separate supplement categorical posts to agree with categories of supplements. For instance, have a big heading for a SuPPLEMENTS forum, then classify - fat loss aids, testosterone boosters, etc... At the top of each forum subheading you can offer links to that area where the supplements in question could be purchased, etc...

The New STEROIDS classification could be along the lines of FORMER PH's, etc... or Schedule I's, Schedule III's, other, etc...

LIFESTYLE part could yield the typical training, diet, bodybuilding, powerlifting, military muscle and maybe you can show a little love with a science section --> but this isn't most people's lifestyle, but maybe all arent interested in my rants. :wink:

Finally the OTHER with off topic posts is good, but perhaps OTHER can become OFF TOPIC and that can yield further subclassification.

With more and more posts, it is just a more user-friendly navigation. Plus as we all hopefully are evolving so is the nature of the industry.

14 days and counting!!!

[dinoiii]

But if you need, this may require a look at your whole program for your statements below the underscore.


What I would like to see is:

(1) current diet plan
(2) current supplement use
(3) current training pgm
(4) PH experience (how many cycles, successes, etc???)
(5) Quantifiable goals (I want to drop 5 more pounds of fat while adding 10 pounds of muscle or whatever --> I think most of us want to add muscle and lose fat, but what is it you want now or by whatever date?)


You feel me trepic? ( thats in the words of my good friend roiderkid --> now, holla holla playa )

[wedgylx]

You feel me trepic? ( thats in the words of my good friend roiderkid --> now, holla holla playa )

haha,

Yo Trepic, I'ma give ya an answer thats stupid-fly.

I wouldnt use methyl 4-AD it you're using another methylated ph as well. So i guess Ergo4-AD is the better choice here for you

[SNS8778]

You would not want to take Methyl 4-AD while taking Methyl 1-Test.

The most common stack would be to take Methyl 1-Test with 600 to 900 mg. daily of 4-AD XT.

[trepic]

What I would like to see is:

(1) current diet plan
(2) current supplement use
(3) current training pgm
(4) PH experience (how many cycles, successes, etc???)
(5) Quantifiable goals (I want to drop 5 more pounds of fat while adding 10 pounds of muscle or whatever --> I think most of us want to add muscle and lose fat, but what is it you want now or by whatever date?)

My daily intake is 1600-1800 cal.
I use Labrada protein 1-1.2 g per day
I do 3 x 30min. cardio ( 2xrun, 1xHIT)
I do 3 x 30min. weights
Last 3 months I use 1 bottle of Winni Depot and 1bottle of Animal Test
I'm 155 lbs. 5'-10" with 12-13% of BF.
I would like to be 170 lbs. with 6-7% of BF.
I realy want to thank you guys for support.

[dinoiii]

I have tried to read into your post and if I understand you correctly, please consider the following:

#1. GET OFF PHs!!!! (3 months of use w/o cycling is not a good idea if those are the only things your body has been used to). Please read posts on PCT as well. Please stock up on what everyone else is telling you in this thread - M1T + 4AD (I will suggest a brand b/c there are a couple still left I am certain Chris could hook you up with --> but give DA a call soon)

#2. 1600-1800 cals/day (won't get into macro breakdown) - plain as day at your body weight, YOU ARE STARVING YOURSELF and have absolutely shut down your hypothalamus' control over metabolism. All is not lost and don't all of a sudden increase cals. Due to your goals, you have to SLOWLY increase cals...try 250-300 cals./day x's 3 days. If you are eating 1600 cals today, try 1900 cals for the next 3 days. At that time consider 2300 cals. You will assess your BF% after 6 days and use that as your baseline. ONLY at this point are you getting back in the clear, but are still likely grossly under your ideal caloric totals for 170 pounds and will have to continually adjust.

#3. B/C you already do cardio - against my better judgement for your goals, change your cardio sessions to 3 HIIT sessions x 20 min or less IMMEDIATELY! Concurrently, BUMP you weight training sessions up to 3 days x 45 min. I could offer optimization curves if you want (swing me an email) as to why this is so and are a science nerd like me, or if you don't care, take my word and hell as many on here would say check out what happens in the real world.

#4. Not a fan of Labrada supps. They are cheap - but sometimes you pay for what you are getting. I am going to assume you MEANT TO SAY, you INGEST 1-1.2 g/pound of bodyweight per day and not only 1-1.2 g which I am not certain how you would know this. I would like to see this upped to Protein tally at 1.5-2 grams/ pound of IDEAL bodyweight, NOT current bodyweight (therefore, use 170 lbs as the multiplying factor).

#5. Feel free to email me at: absivs_revenge@hotmail.com for more info and fine-tuning, however, this is a challenging beginning based on the goals you stated in your post. Hope this helps.

[wedgylx]

#3. B/C you already do cardio - against my better judgement for your goals, change your cardio sessions to 3 HIIT sessions x 20 min or less IMMEDIATELY!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

[trepic]

I have tried to read into your post and if I understand you correctly, please consider the following:

#1. GET OFF PHs!!!! (3 months of use w/o cycling is not a good idea if those are the only things your body has been used to). Please read posts on PCT as well. Please stock up on what everyone else is telling you in this thread - M1T + 4AD (I will suggest a brand b/c there are a couple still left I am certain Chris could hook you up with --> but give DA a call soon)

#2. 1600-1800 cals/day (won't get into macro breakdown) - plain as day at your body weight, YOU ARE STARVING YOURSELF and have absolutely shut down your hypothalamus' control over metabolism. All is not lost and don't all of a sudden increase cals. Due to your goals, you have to SLOWLY increase cals...try 250-300 cals./day x's 3 days. If you are eating 1600 cals today, try 1900 cals for the next 3 days. At that time consider 2300 cals. You will assess your BF% after 6 days and use that as your baseline. ONLY at this point are you getting back in the clear, but are still likely grossly under your ideal caloric totals for 170 pounds and will have to continually adjust.

#3. B/C you already do cardio - against my better judgement for your goals, change your cardio sessions to 3 HIIT sessions x 20 min or less IMMEDIATELY! Concurrently, BUMP you weight training sessions up to 3 days x 45 min. I could offer optimization curves if you want (swing me an email) as to why this is so and are a science nerd like me, or if you don't care, take my word and hell as many on here would say check out what happens in the real world.

#4. Not a fan of Labrada supps. They are cheap - but sometimes you pay for what you are getting. I am going to assume you MEANT TO SAY, you INGEST 1-1.2 g/pound of bodyweight per day and not only 1-1.2 g which I am not certain how you would know this. I would like to see this upped to Protein tally at 1.5-2 grams/ pound of IDEAL bodyweight, NOT current bodyweight (therefore, use 170 lbs as the multiplying factor).

#5. Feel free to email me at: absivs_revenge@hotmail.com for more info and fine-tuning, however, this is a challenging beginning based on the goals you stated in your post. Hope this helps.

I used 3 weeks Animal Test than 1 month off and 1 month Winni Depot.
I'm now already two weeks off but I never used any 6-OXO.Should I.
Please advise.
PS. You said Labrada is not good. What is better?
In your opinion what is The best ph stack I could buy today.

[wedgylx]

Whenever you use ph's you should use nolva for PCT

[trepic]

Whenever you use ph's you should use nolva for PCT

What is nolva? Give me a brand name.

[wedgylx]

Whenever you use ph's you should use nolva for PCT

What is nolva? Give me a brand name.

There are no brand names.

email - wedger@merrimack.edu

[dinoiii]

OK, I am not intending to upset people.

I said I was NOT a fan of Labrada personally. I said it is cheap and it is. You can take that to mean that I said the company is not good, but I personally do NOT use the products is all I had officially said for the record.

I will NO LONGER speak of Nolva. This was not my introduction for you to this word. I can suggest a supplement called Novedex Xtreme from Gaspari nutrition or 6 oxo from Ergo Pharm.

Seeing how you are already 2 weeks off the M1T, I think I am going to question (before recommend) whether or not you have seen any estrogenic side effects. The funny thing is that while you use a methylated PH, you increase the inflammatory effects of the liver - this includes the enzyme aromatase. It is hard to tell how elevated your LFT's were as well as aromatase levels, therefore...they actually may have subsided by this point. It is more a question of choice at this point, but I cannot gurantee your endogenous T levels are back to normal and would probably urge you to grab a bottle of one of the aformentioned SUPPLEMENTS. You can alternatively have your doctor check your T levels, but if this is not available, I again would highly urge you to go back to the PCT supps and actually take an extended-break of 4 weeks from the start of use until you decide to safely cycle again.

[dinoiii]

IMO, the best PH stack you could buy is probably not the safest and I will refrain from advising of its use.



M1T + 4ad is a "popular" stack though. Again, you can choose the brand for yourself.



Wedg, I suggested HIIT ONLY b/c of his current program (incl. current cardio + goals) so don't think I am starting to agree with you or anything. :wink: