does marijuana increase no2?

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

*NOTE- I am not condoning the use of drugs or any other illegal activity.This is simply a question based upon personal observation!!!!


Don't misunderstand. I am not some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. Used to smoke alot when I was alot younger. Presently I just smoke on occasion if offered. Well anyway; I noticed tht after smoking my muscles were pumped & my vascularity was enhanced. The pump I had obtained was greater than that of any no2 I've tried. This leads me to believe that marijuana or thc increases no2. Does anyone know if this is true? Have any of you expierienced this? :eek: :confused: :cool:

[XXfatalityXX]

im not sure man, i smoke just about every day, as far as bodybuilding goes... i like it for the hunger benefits. when im bulking pot really tends to help haha

[XXfatalityXX]

maybe your just eating and your glycogen levels are going up :)
carbo pump!

[BayStateHockey]

*NOTE- I am not condoning the use of drugs or any other illegal activity.This is simply a question based upon personal observation!!!!


Don't misunderstand. I am not some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. Used to smoke alot when I was alot younger. Presently I just smoke on occasion if offered. Well anyway; I noticed tht after smoking my muscles were pumped & my vascularity was enhanced. The pump I had obtained was greater than that of any no2 I've tried. This leads me to believe that marijuana or thc increases no2. Does anyone know if this is true? Have any of you expierienced this?

You're just using this as an excuse to smoke pot! :o :D :)

LoL Naww but good Q, hopefully someone has some info....

[XConz]

*NOTE- I am not condoning the use of drugs or any other illegal activity.This is simply a question based upon personal observation!!!!


Don't misunderstand. I am not some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. Used to smoke alot when I was alot younger. Presently I just smoke on occasion if offered. Well anyway; I noticed tht after smoking my muscles were pumped & my vascularity was enhanced. The pump I had obtained was greater than that of any no2 I've tried. This leads me to believe that marijuana or thc increases no2. Does anyone know if this is true? Have any of you expierienced this? :eek: :confused: :cool:

X2.. I notice the same thing .. The vascularity is insane for me.. I know it increases heart rate and that could be whats going on.. but so do most PWO NO2's.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

X2.. I notice the same thing .. The vascularity is insane for me.. I know it increases heart rate and that could be whats going on.. but so do most PWO NO2's.at least you know what I'm talkin bout. Maybe we get better smoke than these guys!? Maine has some of the best in the world. My state has more woods than any other and I swear even the cops grow it here. We all smoke!! But seriously, this is an observation i had, carb pump, maybe. NO2, who knows, but it works for me. :D

[ufcdude12]

that is a great question. and the benefits would be amazing if smoking pot left you ready to hit the weights. hahahahah theres a design flaw.

[neonhypoxia]

and the benefits would be amazing if smoking pot left you ready to hit the weights. hahahahah theres a design flaw.

Yeah, becaues lifting weight is what we all want to do when we get high. Not eat pumpkin pie and watch Invader Zim.

I've not seen anything about any component of marijuana increasing NO production, however it is interesting to note that rats given THC did live longer lifespans and had much fewer cardiac problems. So it is quite possible that THC does increase NO production without, or perhaps while even decreasing ADMA production. Although the cardiac benifits are probably all cancled out, or even further, by the rest of the crap you breath in when you smoke it.

On a related note THC also reduced the likelyhood of Parkinson's, Alzheimers, and late onset dementia, but again smoking marijuana completely canceled that out. So yeah, its a better idea to eat the stuff, or just vaporize the oil. Not that I would know anything about how to use hash oil. I want to go watch some Invader Zim...

[trickykids]

i do like lifting after toking up (sometimes). you just need a little caffeine to overcome the laziness. and i have heard pot described as a vascular dilator. i would think that would lead towards increased NO2 levels and it often feels like that to me too.

and just think, who has the highest no2 levels on the planet...ever?

maybe michael phelps?

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Yeah, becaues lifting weight is what we all want to do when we get high. Not eat pumpkin pie and watch Invader Zim.

I've not seen anything about any component of marijuana increasing NO production, however it is interesting to note that rats given THC did live longer lifespans and had much fewer cardiac problems. So it is quite possible that THC does increase NO production without, or perhaps while even decreasing ADMA production. Although the cardiac benifits are probably all cancled out, or even further, by the rest of the crap you breath in when you smoke it.

On a related note THC also reduced the likelyhood of Parkinson's, Alzheimers, and late onset dementia, but again smoking marijuana completely canceled that out. So yeah, its a better idea to eat the stuff, or just vaporize the oil. Not that I would know anything about how to use hash oil. I want to go watch some Invader Zim...what about just a vaporizer in general. eating it works but i think it increases my heart rate more. I also want to state that I don't think smoking chronically whiule ON cycle is very good if you are prone to hi bp. Mild cycles don't seem to be affected but some of the more hardcore ones hurt the head after a little smokey time. :eek:

[neonhypoxia]

what about just a vaporizer in general. eating it works but i think it increases my heart rate more. I also want to state that I don't think smoking chronically whiule ON cycle is very good if you are prone to hi bp. Mild cycles don't seem to be affected but some of the more hardcore ones hurt the head after a little smokey time. :eek:

Yeah, I'm actually not really familiar with a vaporizer. I just use hash oil in the same pipe I use for DMT and it works great. Um... I mean if I were to do something like those drugs that's what I would do; but I would never violate U.S. law. Yeah, that's what I meant.

Using it on cycle doesn't seem like a good combination in general. Althought as you sure its actually raising your BP, or are you just noticing your heart beat more because you're high and people who are high do those kinds of things? Just wondering because I've never had that issue at all.

Oh, and just so we keep everything good and clear its NO, otherwise known as nitric oxide. It shouldn't be confused with NO2 which is nitrogen dioxide or N2O which is nitrous oxide or as I like to call it "Neon's supre happy fun time gas."

[GunzandBunz]

I just use hash oil in the same pipe I use for DMT and it works great.:D :D :D :D
This thread is making me want to do some err um testing. ya testing. for science.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Yeah, I'm actually not really familiar with a vaporizer. I just use hash oil in the same pipe I use for DMT and it works great. Um... I mean if I were to do something like those drugs that's what I would do; but I would never violate U.S. law. Yeah, that's what I meant.

Using it on cycle doesn't seem like a good combination in general. Althought as you sure its actually raising your BP, or are you just noticing your heart beat more because you're high and people who are high do those kinds of things? Just wondering because I've never had that issue at all.

Oh, and just so we keep everything good and clear its NO, otherwise known as nitric oxide. It shouldn't be confused with NO2 which is nitrogen dioxide or N2O which is nitrous oxide or as I like to call it "Neon's supre happy fun time gas."have never used a vaporizer but have seen them in certain "literature". Supposedly burns the plant at a certain temp or something that creates a smokeless gas of pure thc. Or something like that. :confused: Everyones heart rate increases after use, you just don't notice it as much after awhile. Wether this raises bp, I don't know but it seems to me that if your heart is beating faster, more pressure would occur? :confused: And yes, you are correct, I should of wrote NO not NO2, maybe I shouldn't have "tested for science" before making this thread. :p

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

oh yeah, neon. You smoke your phera? hahaha, lol! :D

[Voodoo]

Don't misunderstand. I am not some avid chronic burnout pot smoker.

Dont misunderstand, I am some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. :D

[neonhypoxia]

Dont misunderstand, I am some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. :D

And yet somehow we manage to keep jobs. How the hell does that work? The media and government told me that it would make me a bum and they are never wrong.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

ok, so I understated. I am a smoker too, I'd just rather buy supps than bud. If offered i will par-take.

[neonhypoxia]

Indo... yummy. That's by far my preferance as well. And who the hell grows their stuff outside anyway? Haven't you heard of grow lights on timers, humidifiers, small space heaters, and epsom salt? Um... nevermind.

By the way I completely agree on different doses doing different things. Very small amounts make me extremely focused, like autism focused, but those amounts don't make me high at all so I'm not often in that range. I have a much steeper dosing curve than most people for it, so its not practical for me to try and use it for that. Mainly it only happens when I'm around other people who are smoking and the contact amount is enough for that.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Meh, maybe I did jump the gun abit. Herbology isn't exactly my thing. BUT, before you go saying I don't know what good is, or tell me you've seen more good than I can imagine and whatnot. Let me say that I have been to Amsterdam twice and plan on going back many more times. Grasshopper Special ftw :D .Sorry bro and i accept that as an apology. Indoor/outdoor, def dif things. If you know what you are doing (which I & some of my friends do) indoor can be done anywhere. How ever, outdoors, the best I've seen comes from the northern hemisphere (No. CA, WA, NH, VT, ME, Canada). But then again it depends on what you like. I like indicas, which grow VERY well in the north. Some people like sativas, which prefer areas near the equator. So yeah, no hard feelings here, just wish I still had some pics of what can be done here ;)

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

oh yeah, 4got, imagine that, lol. Indoor, if you are good, organic, IMO is better than hydro. What you boys think? :confused:

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Indo... yummy. That's by far my preferance as well. And who the hell grows their stuff outside anyway? Haven't you heard of grow lights on timers, humidifiers, small space heaters, and epsom salt? Um... nevermind.

By the way I completely agree on different doses doing different things. Very small amounts make me extremely focused, like autism focused, but those amounts don't make me high at all so I'm not often in that range. I have a much steeper dosing curve than most people for it, so its not practical for me to try and use it for that. Mainly it only happens when I'm around other people who are smoking and the contact amount is enough for that.
Doses, I agree. Small amounts @ work or before lifting or anything that requires concentration is def like a "focus factor" supp but better. Larger doses are good for the after workout meal, before bed, and watching t.v. :D
I am very surprised that the powers that be have let this thread go on this far.

[neonhypoxia]

I am very surprised that the powers that be have let this thread go on this far.

Good point. At this time I would like to state that I do not condone illegal activities of any kind and am in no way suggesting that anyone take any actions that are against the law. How's that mods?

I've never used hydro of any kind so I don't know. I've only done indoors too, outside is sort of stupid, especially considering that I live in a city.

Indo grows great for me. Just regular potting soil with some vermiculite and epsom salt mixed in and some perlite at the bottom of the pots.

[LEARN]

the focus is unreal :D

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Good point. At this time I would like to state that I do not condone illegal activities of any kind and am in no way suggesting that anyone take any actions that are against the law. How's that mods?

I've never used hydro of any kind so I don't know. I've only done indoors too, outside is sort of stupid, especially considering that I live in a city.

Indo grows great for me. Just regular potting soil with some vermiculite and epsom salt mixed in and some perlite at the bottom of the pots.Too bad you never seen good outdo. I could show ya stuff that would knock ya into next week. One of the few bennies of livin in the most wooded state in the U.S. :D
I like that last line on that post. Thats why I put my little disclaimer at the beginning of this thread. Keep the mod's happy!!

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

;) Good point. At this time I would like to state that I do not condone illegal activities of any kind and am in no way suggesting that anyone take any actions that are against the law. How's that mods?

I've never used hydro of any kind so I don't know. I've only done indoors too, outside is sort of stupid, especially considering that I live in a city.

Indo grows great for me. Just regular potting soil with some vermiculite and epsom salt mixed in and some perlite at the bottom of the pots.There is the awesomest store here called The Urban Garden Center. Has everything you need. EVERYTHING! I use the owners personal organic soil mix that is specially made for this plant. Swear to the powers that be that I had transplanted a beautiful "girl" into a bigger pot and used this mix and for real, within like 6 hours the girl had, don't know how to explain it. Looked like a totally different plant and had even grown taller, bushier, and waas standing like staight up to the lites. It was UNREAL!!! ;)

[neonhypoxia]

Feel free to PM or email pics or your "garden." I've never seen the stuff growing outside. Well, atleast never good stuff. Where my greatgrandmother use to live the stuff grew wild in the woods from where seeds fell off of the trains back when they shipped it for making rope and cloth in WWII. It was most definetly not good stuff, but still very pretty plants.

;) There is the awesomest store here called The Urban Garden Center. Has everything you need. EVERYTHING! I use the owners personal organic soil mix that is specially made for this plant. Swear to the powers that be that I had transplanted a beautiful "girl" into a bigger pot and used this mix and for real, within like 6 hours the girl had, don't know how to explain it. Looked like a totally different plant and had even grown taller, bushier, and waas standing like staight up to the lites. It was UNREAL!!! ;)

See I actually like growing plants and I'm not into premixed stuff. Mostly because I like playing around with it and see what makes them grow best, that kind of thing. With a premix you never really know what is in it. Plus I have height limitations as my basement ceiling isn't that high. I mean um...

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I have tried posting this three times but my girl's daughter's laptop is pi$$ing me off!! :x I, personally only do indoor. Not much woods hear in my part of the state. It is rite on the coast and I'm near Portland, the biggest city here and my town has 30,000 + . Since it is popular hear, law enforcement is always looking. :eek: Only tried that mix once cause we only had one clone given to us for x-mas. Mix rocked tho. A good friend from college taught me everythimg he knows. GREENIST thumb :D I have evr seen!! Creating and experimenting for yourself is def the way to go. Haven't done any in while but been thinking... ;) Oh yeah, shorter plants are better anyway. Stronger, more thc per sq. in./cm (whichever) than taller plants.

[jef2007]

i remember when i was in my late teens ide get high. That was back when i first started lifting and i used to crank out set after set of standing str bar curls.lol and ide sleep for a week:eek: wasnt no fancy phs then i thought amino's was the thing.

((For me im glad thats way back in the past.))

My uncle used to deal,and ide get some brain cell burning,pink floyd paranoia,cheech & chong up in smoke stuff,with some black hash.

i think im getting a flash back lol

[neonhypoxia]

i remember when i was in my late teens ide get high. That was back when i first started lifting and i used to crank out set after set of standing str bar curls.lol and ide sleep for a week:eek: wasnt no fancy phs then i thought amino's was the thing.

((For me im glad thats way back in the past.))

My uncle used to deal,and ide get some brain cell burning,pink floyd paranoia,cheech & chong up in smoke stuff,with some black hash.

i think im getting a flash back lol

What? They had barbells back then? I though you guys just bench pressed some of the smaller dinosaurs. :o

[jef2007]

What? They had barbells back then? I though you guys just bench pressed some of the smaller dinosaurs. :o
I got there after the comet hit:rolleyes:

[50percentanimal]

This is all fine and dandy, buut, doesn't something in marijuana, THC or otherwise lower testosterone? Soo, doesn't that make your "high NO production" endeavor kind of counter productive if we're talking about lifting weights?

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

This is all fine and dandy, buut, doesn't something in marijuana, THC or otherwise lower testosterone? Soo, doesn't that make your "high NO production" endeavor kind of counter productive if we're talking about lifting weights?

it has been said that thc lowers test, but I haven't seen anything that would suggest so. Have smoked for a long time, libido never decreased, always increased. Always get super vascular after smoking which could be indicative of INCREASED test production. Chronic smoking also keeps me from getting depressed, which is also indicitive of lower estrogen levels. So on this manner, I guess it is more of a everyones dif type of deal.

[neonhypoxia]

This is all fine and dandy, buut, doesn't something in marijuana, THC or otherwise lower testosterone? Soo, doesn't that make your "high NO production" endeavor kind of counter productive if we're talking about lifting weights?

The belief that it lowers testosteron is due to the occurance of "pot tits." Despite the beliefs or broscience pot tits are not caused by low testosterone or high estrogen. They are cause by chronic pot heads always being hungry and becoming fatties. Put on enough fat and sooner or later you'll get tits.

As for actual hormonal changes in terms of just the steroids it only seems to effect the cortisols which it lowers somewhat. Althought this is talking about only the steroids and I refuse to get into a discussion about the entire endocrine system as I'm not an endocrinologist and you just get blank pot headish stares from me. :D

But yeah, doesn't raise estrogen, doesn't lower testosterone, but it does lower cortisol. However I don't really think its a good idea to use it as a cortisol blocker.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

The belief that it lowers testosteron is due to the occurance of "pot tits." Despite the beliefs or broscience pot tits are not caused by low testosterone or high estrogen. They are cause by chronic pot heads always being hungry and becoming fatties. Put on enough fat and sooner or later you'll get tits.

As for actual hormonal changes in terms of just the steroids it only seems to effect the cortisols which it lowers somewhat. Althought this is talking about only the steroids and I refuse to get into a discussion about the entire endocrine system as I'm not an endocrinologist and you just get blank pot headish stares from me. :D

But yeah, doesn't raise estrogen, doesn't lower testosterone, but it does lower cortisol. However I don't really think its a good idea to use it as a cortisol blocker.
I really didn't think that it made a dif on sex hormones per say. Just the side effects I seemed to notice. I def do agree that pot does lower cortisol. I def don't smoke as much as I used to :rolleyes: but I do know that I can tell when I need to smoke cause I will be very high strung. After I smoke I get really calm, usually for a couple days even. And if I am smoking a little chronically, I notice that if I am working out alot, no matter how much I eat, I still stay leaner than normal. So yes, I can def see why it would be so that thc lowers cortisol. I also think that it may be a good diueretic like compound too, based on the "cottonmouth" effect, I seem to hold alot less water all around when chronically smoking than when I'm not, urinating often aswell. :cool:

[neonhypoxia]

THC inhibits the action of vasopressin via an unknown mechanism. This is what causes the increase in urination and thrist. This is also what causes damage to the kidneys from excessive use of marijuana. However its only about as damaging as caffeine, so as long as you aren't using it too much you're fine.

Blocking vasopressin is also part of what causes the sharp decrease in agressive behavior, impares memory, and interupts sleep patterns.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

cool. Damn, neon, you're just a reg old encyclopedia huh? :o

[neonhypoxia]

cool. Damn, neon, you're just a reg old encyclopedia huh? :o

I like to know what a drug is going to do to me before I use it. I have this policy of trying to not screw over my body. Well... not too much atleast. You still have to have some fun sometimes. :cool:

[thebigt]

I like to know what a drug is going to do to me before I use it. I have this policy of trying to not screw over my body. Well... not too much atleast. You still have to have some fun sometimes. :cool:

was this policy developed over years of trial and error?:D

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I like to know what a drug is going to do to me before I use it. I have this policy of trying to not screw over my body. Well... not too much atleast. You still have to have some fun sometimes. :cool:
well, was just talking bout knowledge in general. But VERY VERY TRUE. I too, def like to learn or study a "chemical compound" before I let it loose in my body. The internet, pharmacology books, and the poison control center are WONDERFUL tools!!!! :o

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Neon will like this. This is my post number 420
Nothing new to add to this thread, just post number 420. :D ;)

[neonhypoxia]

well, was just talking bout knowledge in general. But VERY VERY TRUE. I too, def like to learn or study a "chemical compound" before I let it loose in my body. The internet, pharmacology books, and the poison control center are WONDERFUL tools!!!! :o

Ha! Funny story with that. So I was a boy scout (shuttup) and in the book the listing of poisonous plants and mushrooms they listed the ones you can get high off of as well. So anyone who knew the difference could use the guide of poisonous plants to find fun fun drugs.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

nah ahh. That is funny. :o

[EarlyCuyler]

Up With Hope Down With Dope!

sorry for kicking up an old thread I just read all the way through this interesting thread. I've never smoked weed and I'm always interested when pple talk about why they love it so much. Annnnd NO I'm not putting anyone down for smoking I'm neutral on the whole topic.

[jnaz331]

Its funny how its such a long thread. I bet half or probably more everyone you see during the day is puffn the magic dragon. I smoked weed everyday for freakin years man. As I got older though I found myself "takin a toot" and falling asleep 5 minutes later. Oh well.

[TaticalFighting]

As far as I know, unless the law's have changed... once I become a Officer of the Law, i know me right? i don't think that I will have any authority over the interent unless i start for the DEA.. which I'm sure you guys have grown out of it right?

no pun intended lol

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

As far as I know, unless the law's have changed... once I become a Officer of the Law, i know me right? i don't think that I will have any authority over the interent unless i start for the DEA.. which I'm sure you guys have grown out of it right?

no pun intended lol
this is all "hear say" any way. You gotta catch us with it "on our person". You couldn't even do anything if we were high but had nothing physically on us....

Oh don't worry, I know the law too....;)

[silly#1]

I dont smoke too often, but I have wondered what the diference is between HEMP and WEED?? Is there any diference at all? The reason I ask is because I have seen hemp rope for sale, and I know there is some relation between the two.

[nickmanista]

??????? What ??????

[usf97j4x4]

I dont smoke too often, but I have wondered what the diference is between HEMP and WEED?? Is there any diference at all? The reason I ask is because I have seen hemp rope for sale, and I know there is some relation between the two.

Hemp is a common name for cannibis plants. Hippies make all sorts of things from hemp fibers, including robe. You can't smoke hemp rope or hemp products you see on the shelves.

"WEED" is buds of Hemp plants which are used for smoking, baking :D, cooking, etc.

[usf97j4x4]

The media and government told me that it would make me a bum and they are never wrong.

The worst is the whole "gateway" drug deal. Of course it is a gateway drug, it's the mildest, most easily accessible drug on the streets. Most people that want to try drugs don't go right to heroine.

I need a gateway alcohol (beer)...

[neonhypoxia]

The worst is the whole "gateway" drug deal. Of course it is a gateway drug, it's the mildest, most easily accessible drug on the streets. Most people that want to try drugs don't go right to heroine.

I need a gateway alcohol (beer)...

I'm pretty sure that water is the biggest gateway drug. I mean look at the stats, anyone who has used any of the "harder" drugs always starts with water first.

In the U.S. hemp products are required to be grown from plants that have extremely low to no cannaboid production. Furthermore the fiber from the stalk is used instead of the material from the buds. Whereas marijuana that is used recreationaly is bred for extremely high cannaboid content, and almost exclusively uses the buds and material around it. There is a pretty big variation between the different sativa species and the strains within a species.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

exactly, hemp for industrial use is basicallt THC free, so don't go trying to smoke your clothes or ropes or anything else that may be made from hemp. :rolleyes:

I really don't believe in the whole gate way drug thing. I smoked for years and it was the ONLY thing I did. When I did graduate to other "harder" stuff, it was NOT because I chose to smoke pot....I actually don't know why I did other stuff.....:rolleyes:

I've done pretty much everything under the sun except XTC and crank.....and I gotta say that of all the stuff I have tried or dun, Mary Jane messes me up the most with the exception to heavier hallucinagens...and yes marijuana is classified as a hallucinagen....:eek:

Hey E Cuyler, I've been smokin for ALONG time and have never heard of some of your stains....are they for real? :eek: My fav of all time is Blueberry/Northern Lights hybrid....YUM YUM!!!!

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

sorry E Cuyler, I just re-read the previous posts and saw that you've never smoked, so scratch my question above. :o


I also want to add that now a days I'm totally clean. I may smoke here and there, but i don't buy (purchase) it. I don't drink alcohol. The only thing I do is the prescription I get to control my opioid dependance (suboxone: buprenorphine/naloxone; it is an opioid receptor antagonist coupled with a receptor agonist; it DOES NOT get me high, but if you don't have an opiate tollerance, it can MESS YOU UP!!! It is VERY strong stuff.). With that said, if there is any one here that uses prescription painkillers illegally (with out a script from your doc) I would advise you not to. They are VERY addictive and once your body becomes totally dependant on them, (which it will, there are NO EXCEPTIONS. They are extremely PHYSICALLY addictive as well as very psychologically addictive) you WILL NEED them in order to function, no joke. If you don't have any, the withdrawl and detox is TERRIBLY PAINFUL and totally not fun....its like having the flu and getting food poisoned at the same time....:eek: You can't eat, sleep, or anything...and the feeling it gives you is unbearable, like you just want to jump rite thru your skin or something. It will be the longest, hardest, week of your life....:eek: but it would be worth it. If anyone here does have a prob with them, I suggest you ask your doc for a refferal to a doc who has the ability to prescribe suboxone (there is a web site that has a list, just gotta put in your zip code), as it is less dangerous and addictive than methadone. It really is a "wonder drug". I don't even want to imagine where I'd be with out it....:cool:

Well any way, sorry for the preaching......

[neonhypoxia]

sorry E Cuyler, I just re-read the previous posts and saw that you've never smoked, so scratch my question above. :o


I also want to add that now a days I'm totally clean. I may smoke here and there, but i don't buy (purchase) it. I don't drink alcohol. The only thing I do is the prescription I get to control my opioid dependance (suboxone: buprenorphine/naloxone; it is an opioid receptor antagonist coupled with a receptor agonist; it DOES NOT get me high, but if you don't have an opiate tollerance, it can MESS YOU UP!!! It is VERY strong stuff.). With that said, if there is any one here that uses prescription painkillers illegally (with out a script from your doc) I would advise you not to. They are VERY addictive and once your body becomes totally dependant on them, (which it will, there are NO EXCEPTIONS. They are extremely PHYSICALLY addictive as well as very psychologically addictive) you WILL NEED them in order to function, no joke. If you don't have any, the withdrawl and detox is TERRIBLY PAINFUL and totally not fun....its like having the flu and getting food poisoned at the same time....:eek: You can't eat, sleep, or anything...and the feeling it gives you is unbearable, like you just want to jump rite thru your skin or something. It will be the longest, hardest, week of your life....:eek: but it would be worth it. If anyone here does have a prob with them, I suggest you ask your doc for a refferal to a doc who has the ability to prescribe suboxone (there is a web site that has a list, just gotta put in your zip code), as it is less dangerous and addictive than methadone. It really is a "wonder drug". I don't even want to imagine where I'd be with out it....:cool:

Well any way, sorry for the preaching......

Methadone will make your teeth fall out, just so you know. Plus it takes what, three hours to kick in? Not exactly idea if you are starting to jones for a fix.

And yeah, I've heard that opiate withdrawl is pretty d*mn bad. Basicly your beta-endorphin receptors become so down regulated from heavy use that when you quit your nervous system is no longer able to block even minor pain or discomfort and you feel absolutely everything. Doesn't sound fun at all. Definetly something that you need medical help for, you don't just try to do it by yourself.

What is interesting is that on average for opiates, keeping in mind some work quicker than others, it usually takes about four weeks for physical dependancy to develop. This is much longer that things like meth, cocaine, caffeine, and alcohol that take about two weeks, and nicotine that takes a week to a week and a half. Its just that people feel so good they keep taking it that long until they are hooked. Its a bad path to start down.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Methadone will make your teeth fall out, just so you know. Plus it takes what, three hours to kick in? Not exactly idea if you are starting to jones for a fix.

And yeah, I've heard that opiate withdrawl is pretty d*mn bad. Basicly your beta-endorphin receptors become so down regulated from heavy use that when you quit your nervous system is no longer able to block even minor pain or discomfort and you feel absolutely everything. Doesn't sound fun at all. Definetly something that you need medical help for, you don't just try to do it by yourself.

What is interesting is that on average for opiates, keeping in mind some work quicker than others, it usually takes about four weeks for physical dependancy to develop. This is much longer that things like meth, cocaine, caffeine, and alcohol that take about two weeks, and nicotine that takes a week to a week and a half. Its just that people feel so good they keep taking it that long until they are hooked. Its a bad path to start down.
Oh trust me, I know. I SO WISH that I had never started that sh*t. I used for along time, and was on methadone for a little while, and my teeth def paid the price. :( :rolleyes: :x

Thats why I love this suboxone. It's suppose to be so much safer, and all around better than methadone. And from expierence, it is. If you run out or something happens and you miss your dose, it's so much milder to come off of since it has the naloxone, which is the "blocker", and it helps keep the severity of the withdrawl to the lower end of sh*ttyness. It is also harder to get "high" from and once you adjust, it has no effect like that. Methadone is very dose specific, the more you take, trhe better you feel, the more likely you are to die. The suboxone, due to the naloxone, has a saturation point of 32 mgs. At 32 mgs, you have taken enuff of the naloxone to totally block your receptors, thus no more of the opiate, which is the buprenorphine, can enter the receptor, so you can't OD on it, (as long as you're an addict. People who get messed up on one percocet would prob be f*cked on 32 mgs of suboxone.) None the less, it is, mg for mg, the strongest thing out there. I think methadone and dilaudid are the two strongest ones, and I'd need at least 40 mgs of methadone to make it thru the day, and 8 mgs dilaudid (intra veiniously, too weak other wise) every 4-6 hrs to make it thru a 24 hr day. I can take 4 mgs of suboxone and last 24 hrs, so yeah, pretty powerful stuff.

I have been clean now for 2 yrs and love every day of it. Towards the end I was only using to stay well, couldn't get "high" anymore unless I injected it and I knew if I stayed on that path I would surely be headed for disaster, or death.

Methadone does take a while to kick in, bout three hrs like you said, to get the full effect, tho if you're SICK, it works well enuff to make you feel better within 30 mins like anything else, it just peaks at three hrs or so. ;)

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

oh yeah, wanna know how nuts this stuff is around here? Maine is like the 1st or 2nd state for script painkiller abuse. 40 mg oxycontin tabs go for $50, 80 mg tabs are $100!!! :eek: Talk about some cash for a few hrs of fun!!! :eek: :rolleyes:

So glad I don't do that sh*t anymore. :D

[silly#1]

sorry E Cuyler, I just re-read the previous posts and saw that you've never smoked, so scratch my question above. :o


I also want to add that now a days I'm totally clean. I may smoke here and there, but i don't buy (purchase) it. I don't drink alcohol. The only thing I do is the prescription I get to control my opioid dependance (suboxone: buprenorphine/naloxone; it is an opioid receptor antagonist coupled with a receptor agonist; it DOES NOT get me high, but if you don't have an opiate tollerance, it can MESS YOU UP!!! It is VERY strong stuff.). With that said, if there is any one here that uses prescription painkillers illegally (with out a script from your doc) I would advise you not to. They are VERY addictive and once your body becomes totally dependant on them, (which it will, there are NO EXCEPTIONS. They are extremely PHYSICALLY addictive as well as very psychologically addictive) you WILL NEED them in order to function, no joke. If you don't have any, the withdrawl and detox is TERRIBLY PAINFUL and totally not fun....its like having the flu and getting food poisoned at the same time....:eek: You can't eat, sleep, or anything...and the feeling it gives you is unbearable, like you just want to jump rite thru your skin or something. It will be the longest, hardest, week of your life....:eek: but it would be worth it. If anyone here does have a prob with them, I suggest you ask your doc for a refferal to a doc who has the ability to prescribe suboxone (there is a web site that has a list, just gotta put in your zip code), as it is less dangerous and addictive than methadone. It really is a "wonder drug". I don't even want to imagine where I'd be with out it....:cool:

Well any way, sorry for the preaching......
Damn, You are the last person I woulod imagine having painkiller problems, from your posts that is. Did you do that 24 hour detox, when they put you to sleep, then pump in the naltraxolone(I may have that wrong)?? The biggest issue with sub is the $$$ for that sh*t, from my understanding. Also, it is difficult to find a clinic within a reasonable distance from your home, from my research.. I hear stories about people paying thousands, and then relapsing in no time. Seems like methadone would be less problematic...

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I'll also say that when I first stated this in the "mood enhancers for non-drinker" thread, I recieved some pm's from other "survivors". I will let them keep their anonimity, since its not my place; I just want people to know that this is a very real problem today and that I'm not alone, even on this site of 12,000 people, (less than that that are active users taht post daily). If anyone out there needs to talk bout anything or wants/needs advice, feel free to pm me anytime....;) :cool:

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Damn, You are the last person I woulod imagine having painkiller problems, from your posts that is. Did you do that 24 hour detox, when they put you to sleep, then pump in the naltraxolone(I may have that wrong)?? The biggest issue with sub is the $$$ for that sh*t, from my understanding. Also, it is difficult to find a clinic within a reasonable distance from your home, from my research.. I hear stories about people paying thousands, and then relapsing in no time. Seems like methadone would be less problematic...you def have to want it (to be clean) to do it. I think the sub is better cause of the naloxone, it easier to comeoff of, and if you do end up using, it will make you sick, almost like detoxing, so it kinda turns you off of it. It is exspensive, some hmo's cover it, some don't. I don't have insurancew but its such a prob here that my local ARC hooks you up with 50% off from the hospitals pharmacy.

Thats the thing with addiction and prescription drugs; or just addiction in general. It can affect anyone at anytime. The real thing about painkillers is that they are PHYSICALLY addictive, which is a totally different animal than psychological addiction. If something isn't physically addictive, I have no problem NOT doing it, but when your BODY becomes dependant, you really have no choice.....you can't be "sick" at work, or have a "normal" homelife if you're "sick" all the time....

It just goes to show that addiction can afflict any one. I never planned to get addicted to them....

But, all that is in my past now, and every month that goes bye just gets better and better. It's been two yrs now and I look forward to the next 2 yrs, and many years after. I know alot of people would never dare to talk about this if it were them, but I'm not ashamed. I HAD a problem, and I was smart enuff to FIX that problem. If I can bring it out into the open and it helps just one person to seek help, then its "mission accomplished". After feeling hopeless and helpless for so long myself, I know what its like. I encourage people who may have substance abuse issues to seek help....you just gotta, if you like life. I hope someday maybe I could be a substance abuse counsilor, and/or go around to schools and talk bout prevention. That would be great. IDK, I've been addicted to the show "The Cleaner" on A&E and it makes me want to go out and help people. I relate to the character on the show, and being a true story, I think ts great what he has done...

[silly#1]

I guess you definataly dont plan to get addicted to opiates. I think it starts in social situations, kind of like drinking, but without as much of a hangover. All of a sudden you are the life of the party. Girls take notice, but guess what, your peckker don't get hard!! It sneeks up on you. you use when your boored especially. You start getting lazy cause you are having fun by your self. Then you run OUT... Then you realize you have started down a untraveled road. Dont seem to know who to go to.... Bad times. And forget sex life, it gets fuked. Oh well enough of that soap box....

[neonhypoxia]

It just goes to show that addiction can afflict any one. I never planned to get addicted to them....

I don't think anyone ever plans on getting addicted. The stereotypes about who is more likely to become addicted are way off. Around here the highest rate of addiction to opiates is Carmel, which has one of the highest incomes in the country. It probably helps that they are able to easily affording it during the window in which addiction occurs.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I don't think anyone ever plans on getting addicted. The stereotypes about who is more likely to become addicted are way off. Around here the highest rate of addiction to opiates is Carmel, which has one of the highest incomes in the country. It probably helps that they are able to easily affording it during the window in which addiction occurs.
EXACTLY!!!!! :cool:

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I guess you definataly dont plan to get addicted to opiates. I think it starts in social situations, kind of like drinking, but without as much of a hangover. All of a sudden you are the life of the party. Girls take notice, but guess what, your peckker don't get hard!! It sneeks up on you. you use when your boored especially. You start getting lazy cause you are having fun by your self. Then you run OUT... Then you realize you have started down a untraveled road. Dont seem to know who to go to.... Bad times. And forget sex life, it gets fuked. Oh well enough of that soap box....
it's weird, thats one of the reasons I liked 'em so much (opioids) is that they allowed me to be "free-er" thinking and I didn't give a sh*t what I was saying and I was getting alot of attention from females. It didn't affect my wood til later, and that was only certain compounds at certain doses. Methadone is a BIG wood killer. On the other hand, if you can get wood, you can go FOR EVER!!! ;) Another weird thing is that after your body becomes dependant, if you don't have anything in your system, its like pump......sqirt! :eek: Sucks!! :rolleyes:

[silly#1]

it's weird, thats one of the reasons I liked 'em so much (opioids) is that they allowed me to be "free-er" thinking and I didn't give a sh*t what I was saying and I was getting alot of attention from females. It didn't affect my wood til later, and that was only certain compounds at certain doses. Methadone is a BIG wood killer. On the other hand, if you can get wood, you can go FOR EVER!!! ;) Another weird thing is that after your body becomes dependant, if you don't have anything in your system, its like pump......sqirt! :eek: Sucks!! :rolleyes:
Your body does strange things that never happened before, like the go all night thing you wrote. I guess it would not be so bad if there were not any tolerance issues. The amount you take gets out of hand so fast... You also want to maintain all day. Its bad when you wake up from sleeping, and go right for the pills. Lifting and staying in shape saves you, if you can cut the sh#t loose. I think lifting hits the same part of your body as the painkillers... Glad to read your success.

[neonhypoxia]

I think lifting hits the same part of your body as the painkillers...

Beta-endorphins, but lifting isn't even close to something like fentanyl. Speaking of, last time I saw my dentist she mentioned having several people ruin their teeth by cutting open the fentanyl patches and using it like dip. WTF? That's asking to OD. :confused:

[EarlyCuyler]

I dont smoke too often, but I have wondered what the diference is between HEMP and WEED?? Is there any diference at all? The reason I ask is because I have seen hemp rope for sale, and I know there is some relation between the two.

I was watching the news one day and they said that you would have to smoke so much hemp to get high the joint would have to be the size of a telephone pole. I've never laughed so hard at regular tv.:D

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I was watching the news one day and they said that you would have to smoke so much hemp to get high the joint would have to be the size of a telephone pole. I've never laughed so hard at regular tv.:DLMFAO!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

BIG DOOBIE!!!!

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Beta-endorphins, but lifting isn't even close to something like fentanyl. Speaking of, last time I saw my dentist she mentioned having several people ruin their teeth by cutting open the fentanyl patches and using it like dip. WTF? That's asking to OD. :confused:
I know!!!! WTF exactly. Of all the things I've done that was one thing I've never ever dared to try! I actually know a kid who died trying to inject that stuff!!! :eek:

About the above statement tho, Yes lifting does help, alot. Even thru the worst of it tho, I was in the gym....when I could be anyway. Thats one addiction thats not going anywhere!! ;) I was talking to my doc when I first went to rehab about lifting weights and he said that that was a great idea as it "chemicals" do go thru alot of the same "pathways".....like endorphines, adrenalin, and all that stuff. Wanna hear sumthing funny, ENDORPHIN actually means "internal morphine" or "morphine from within". Human endorphines are almost identical to that of morphine....kinda like how human test is almost identical to wild yam. Opiates in and of themselves are more or less "hormonal" and I'll tell you what, they can wreak havoc on your hormonal systems. :eek:

[neonhypoxia]

I know!!!! WTF exactly. Of all the things I've done that was one thing I've never ever dared to try! I actually know a kid who died trying to inject that stuff!!! :eek:

About the above statement tho, Yes lifting does help, alot. Even thru the worst of it tho, I was in the gym....when I could be anyway. Thats one addiction thats not going anywhere!! ;) I was talking to my doc when I first went to rehab about lifting weights and he said that that was a great idea as it "chemicals" do go thru alot of the same "pathways".....like endorphines, adrenalin, and all that stuff. Wanna hear sumthing funny, ENDORPHIN actually means "internal morphine" or "morphine from within". Human endorphines are almost identical to that of morphine....kinda like how human test is almost identical to wild yam. Opiates in and of themselves are more or less "hormonal" and I'll tell you what, they can wreak havoc on your hormonal systems. :eek:

They are actually called the opiod receptors because they were first discovered by tagging opiates and studying where they bind to. Several receptors have been foung that way like the nicotinic receptor that nicotine binds to, the muscarinic receptor that muscarine (the active in amanita muscaria) binds to, and the 5HT2A receptor that LSD binds to. The one elusive one that hasn't been found yet is the receptor that n,nDMT binds to, but its already been named the DMT receptor.

Drugs have done alot for the study or neurology.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

They are actually called the opiod receptors because they were first discovered by tagging opiates and studying where they bind to. Several receptors have been foung that way like the nicotinic receptor that nicotine binds to, the muscarinic receptor that muscarine (the active in amanita muscaria) binds to, and the 5HT2A receptor that LSD binds to. The one elusive one that hasn't been found yet is the receptor that n,nDMT binds to, but its already been named the DMT receptor.

Drugs have done alot for the study or neurology.
Oh def. I am familiar with the "receptors". My current fav is the androgen receptor!!! :D

[neonhypoxia]

Oh def. I am familiar with the "receptors". My current fav is the androgen receptor!!! :D

Really? My favorites are the mammory adipose estrogen receptors in women. I guess we just have different taste.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Really? My favorites are the mammory adipose estrogen receptors in women. I guess we just have different taste.
wow!!! Don't make b!tch slap you!!! :o

Obviously, that is, BY FAR my fav receptor of ALL TIME!!!! BUT, I thought I would just say what MY fav receptor with-in MY OWN body wuz. :o

[silly#1]

They are actually called the opiod receptors because they were first discovered by tagging opiates and studying where they bind to. Several receptors have been foung that way like the nicotinic receptor that nicotine binds to, the muscarinic receptor that muscarine (the active in amanita muscaria) binds to, and the 5HT2A receptor that LSD binds to. The one elusive one that hasn't been found yet is the receptor that n,nDMT binds to, but its already been named the DMT receptor.

Drugs have done alot for the study or neurology.
The thing that sucks about this whole receptor thing is they dont stay full, from lifting that is. I wish I could keep the feeling I get after lifting all day. If you are using, you keep them(receptors) full untill you go to sleep.. I feel bad for people who rip open fentanyl sacks, that just sucks.. Oh well Main thing is lifting AND RUNNING saves you.. You feel so good after running. I dont run too often, I keep it at 3 times a week. Feels good, fills those recptors I think.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Ya, I've heard bout the "runners high" but when lifting to gain and retain mass, running kinda defeats the purpose. ;)

[silly#1]

Ya, I've heard bout the "runners high" but when lifting to gain and retain mass, running kinda defeats the purpose. ;)
I hear what you'r saying however, I think it depends on your body type. If I am training, and I dont run I start to get love handles, and the whole nine, even if diet is in check. If I throw 3 days of running in, not too far probably never more than two miles, I stay lean. I think it just depends on the person.... But this is a huge debate that no one seems to have a uniform answer for every one.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Yeah, this is very true. As long as I keep lifting, i lean out and stay fairly lean, no matter how much I eat, as long as its clean. If I take a break from the weights for a bit, which I like to do now and again to completely heal and jump start new growth; I gain bad weight back pretty quick. But as long as I lift, my weight stays pretty good. If I do want to add in some cardio, its just long, fast walks. Works great for me. I can add size fairly easily, but I lucked out in the "maintaining" genetics. I can stop lifting for 1-3 months and start eating like sh*t and still keep what I've got. Love it!!! :eek: :D

[Voodoo]

Yeah, becaues lifting weight is what we all want to do when we get high. Not eat pumpkin pie and watch Invader Zim.

You know Neon, I used to think the same thing. I don't know what you're able to obtain for medicinal purposes out there but certain strains are just amazing to work out on. So far Ive seen positive effects from mainly the sativa side of the spectrum, but have been surprised by a couple of indicas and a hybrid as well.

Basically: get a one-hitter to where you just get a head change but wouldn't be terrified to operate a car. Working out will put you almost trance like between sets, doesn't work as well with really heavy lifting, so no maxing out with deads - but works great if you're just looking to have "fun" while lifting.

Strains I've seen the best effects with:
Sour Diesel
Grapefruit Kush
Jedi Kush
Sensi Star
Supersilver Haze
White Widow

For those wondering, no Im not a drug dealer. Im a medical patient and I volunteer for a collective here in San Diego: http://www.medicinalmarijuanasandiego.com

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

You know Neon, I used to think the same thing. I don't know what you're able to obtain for medicinal purposes out there but certain strains are just amazing to work out on. So far Ive seen positive effects from mainly the sativa side of the spectrum, but have been surprised by a couple of indicas and a hybrid as well.

Basically: get a one-hitter to where you just get a head change but wouldn't be terrified to operate a car. Working out will put you almost trance like between sets, doesn't work as well with really heavy lifting, so no maxing out with deads - but works great if you're just looking to have "fun" while lifting.

Strains I've seen the best effects with:
Sour Diesel
Grapefruit Kush
Jedi Kush
Sensi Star
Supersilver Haze
White Widow

For those wondering, no Im not a drug dealer. Im a medical patient and I volunteer for a collective here in San Diego: http://www.medicinalmarijuanasandiego.comword. sativas are def the more "up" hi and indica is the "down" hi. I like sativas for work, working out, anything that requires concentration. Indicas are great for beddy bye time. ;)

Oh yeah; WELCOME BACK VOO, WE'VE MISSED YA!!!

[Dannyboy]

*NOTE- I am not condoning the use of drugs or any other illegal activity.This is simply a question based upon personal observation!!!!


Don't misunderstand. I am not some avid chronic burnout pot smoker. Used to smoke alot when I was alot younger. Presently I just smoke on occasion if offered. Well anyway; I noticed tht after smoking my muscles were pumped & my vascularity was enhanced. The pump I had obtained was greater than that of any no2 I've tried. This leads me to believe that marijuana or thc increases no2. Does anyone know if this is true? Have any of you expierienced this? :eek: :confused: :cool:


hmm i get this alot too, you know when i have time and im not exterminating rats.... i used to think this too. its right after you smoke correct within the first 15 minutes. if so thats what i get. really believe it is the dehydrating effects of mariquana since i feel it drys up that water underneath the skin. plus your muscles tend to feel dryer and stiff which is why they could feel pumped. i believe this because i get very thirsty when i smoke which is why i hate to do it. love hate lol.
my joints even dry out. when i go to work out, the pump goes away and im left feeling weak and bored. not a good preworkout supp. lol

my major question is, did you smoke while taking AAS/PS/PH? cuz i get insanley pumped when taking these and then taking a hit. so maybe it is no. maybe dinoii can run a double blind test for us or something lol.

[Dannyboy]

You know Neon, I used to think the same thing. I don't know what you're able to obtain for medicinal purposes out there but certain strains are just amazing to work out on. So far Ive seen positive effects from mainly the sativa side of the spectrum, but have been surprised by a couple of indicas and a hybrid as well.

Basically: get a one-hitter to where you just get a head change but wouldn't be terrified to operate a car. Working out will put you almost trance like between sets, doesn't work as well with really heavy lifting, so no maxing out with deads - but works great if you're just looking to have "fun" while lifting.

Strains I've seen the best effects with:
Sour Diesel
Grapefruit Kush
Jedi Kush
Sensi Star
Supersilver Haze
White Widow

For those wondering, no Im not a drug dealer. Im a medical patient and I volunteer for a collective here in San Diego: http://www.medicinalmarijuanasandiego.com

i do know what you speak of by trance its awesome for running and cardio when you dont want to think about being a rat in a cage but you still end up being one while thinking about eating a burger

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

hmm i get this alot too, you know when i have time and im not exterminating rats.... i used to think this too. its right after you smoke correct within the first 15 minutes. if so thats what i get. really believe it is the dehydrating effects of mariquana since i feel it drys up that water underneath the skin. plus your muscles tend to feel dryer and stiff which is why they could feel pumped. i believe this because i get very thirsty when i smoke which is why i hate to do it. love hate lol.
my joints even dry out. when i go to work out, the pump goes away and im left feeling weak and bored. not a good preworkout supp. lol

my major question is, did you smoke while taking AAS/PS/PH? cuz i get insanley pumped when taking these and then taking a hit. so maybe it is no. maybe dinoii can run a double blind test for us or something lol.I have thought that maybe it is a "drying" type "diueretic" effect. I just simply don't know. It does lean me out, gets the veins poppin, and gives super pumps, so......:eek: :confused: Neons sig does say pot=steroids....

[neonhypoxia]

I have thought that maybe it is a "drying" type "diueretic" effect. I just simply don't know. It does lean me out, gets the veins poppin, and gives super pumps, so......:eek: :confused: Neons sig does say pot=steroids....

Yes, pot = steroids. :o

It does have somewhat of a diuretic effect, which is why using it too often is bad for your kidneys.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

Yes, pot = steroids. :o

It does have somewhat of a diuretic effect, which is why using it too often is bad for your kidneys.
tru dat....sometimes pot makes me pee as if I were drinking alcohol....:eek:

[Dannyboy]

i cant stand the drying effect and the heart rate increase. that is why i stopped. and because its illegal. but not in alaska. lol.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

IDK, all I can say is that after time of consistent smoking the heart rate thang don't bother as much. :cool:

Illegal pot? What is that? I live in Maine dude. :eek: :o

[neonhypoxia]

Illegal pot? What is that? I live in Maine dude. :eek: :o

You suck! *jealous*

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

You suck! *jealous*ALL I SEE IS GREEN!!! UH OH, NOT THE COLOR BLINDNESS AGAIN...

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

well, to say the least a FANTASTIC harvest season is winding down here. AWESOME crops this year. IDK if all the rain or what but what I do know is that for me, I think my hypothesis is correct. I get extra NO production from inhallation of THC!!! :D

My girl smokes mad. Before we go to the gym sometimes we'll smoke. I've noticed on the nites I do smoke, my pumps, vascularity are just down rite INSANE!!! :o

Northern Lights really works well, as does purple passion. Wanna try blueberry but its a late bloomer this yr!!! :(

Neon, I'll see what I can do bout loading up some pics for you to drool over!!!

[neonhypoxia]

Neon, I'll see what I can do bout loading up some pics for you to drool over!!!

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be happy about you uploading pics. Anyways, I have some stuff that will blow it out of the water. Although really the pics don't say much, just clear looking water, some ugly brown mushrooms, sparkly leaves, and some slighty yellowish looking wax. I'm sure you can figure out what those are.

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be happy about you uploading pics. Anyways, I have some stuff that will blow it out of the water. Although really the pics don't say much, just clear looking water, some ugly brown mushrooms, sparkly leaves, and some slighty yellowish looking wax. I'm sure you can figure out what those are.1) you have links on your avi to yahoo and such, I'd def e-mail pics thru a dif site... ;)
2) sounds like fun; your list anyway. I just stick to "green plant material" these days... diphenhydramine works on a sleepless nite, oh yeah, and of course androgens, but I have a hard time finding 'em here & the U.S. Postal Service sketches the sh*t outta me... :o

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

I will say that my study into this continues. I've gone (to the gym) rite after smoking, NOT having smoked, smoking earlier in the day, and smoking afterward (immediately AND awhile after) and the physical results speak for themselves. THC def does something within the human body (individual results MAY very) with NO, BP, or anyother metabolic pathways that could/would produce a better pump and vascularity. I think some scientist doctor guy/girl should do a clinical trial bout this... would be interesting... and fun if you are IN the trial. :cool: :D ;)

[jnaz331]

The only time I was ever able to workout after smoking was after smoking from a vaporizer. No smoke, I didnt get that winded or the tired crash. This was a couple of years ago, I havent been around the scene for a while,.Are those things"vaporizers" still around?

[ma(i)n(e)iac]

The only time I was ever able to workout after smoking was after smoking from a vaporizer. No smoke, I didnt get that winded or the tired crash. This was a couple of years ago, I havent been around the scene for a while,.Are those things"vaporizers" still around?IDK... I've never tried one but have always wanted to. Oh... my gf just said they are still available. Seems like a brilliant idea, whoever invented them. I bet you did feel better (ie, not being winded, tired) cause the smoke itself will contain carbon monoxide, which being a poisonous gas, will make you tired and lite headed/winded. ;)

[jnaz331]

IDK... I've never tried one but have always wanted to. Oh... my gf just said they are still available. Seems like a brilliant idea, whoever invented them. I bet you did feel better (ie, not being winded, tired) cause the smoke itself will contain carbon monoxide, which being a poisonous gas, will make you tired and lite headed/winded. ;)

I used to work as a maintenance tech in a fancy hi-rise building. There was this young rich kid who lived there who would tip me with the herbals. He busted out this thing so I said , whoa , cool. It was a great high man, no crash. I cannot do anything anymore when Im high except eat!!! If I were to get one of those...forget it.
Im tellin ya bro, you would love that sh**.

jnaz420