epi/furaz started

[j-s]

Day one was chest day, obviously nothing diff since I just started. I'll keep you updated.

[LEARN]

Day one was chest day, obviously nothing diff since I just started. I'll keep you updated.

good luck man :D

Please let everyone know your stats and how you set up your cycle :D

[GeekPoop]

Goood luuuckkk

[j-s]

good luck man :D

Please let everyone know your stats and how you set up your cycle :D


Yep I forgot my stats.

I'm 35
216lbs
17% bf as of last week

cycle will be like this furaz 500 ed for 6 week and epi 40 for 6 week but ramping up in the first nweek starting at 10 for the first day and going up 10 each next days until I reach 40, unless the ramping up thing is not that important. I run cycle support (preloaded for 2 weeks at 1 scoop a day) trying 2 scoops a day but not easy if I want to keep it 4 hours apart from the PH. Also I take fish oil, multiV, ZMA, BCAA, glucosamine, Whey protein and glutamine while on cycle.

PCT will be inhibit-E, post cycle support, lean fx and a test booster( which will depend on what I can get next week.

[j-s]

Day 2

epi 20mg furaz 500mg
shoulder training
overall good workout
still nothing special as it's only day 2
eat clean all day

[j-s]

Day 3

Legs today, not the best workout, I felt shitty probably because of me going to bed at like 2 AM and getting woken up by my dog at 6 AM.

epi 30mg furaz 500mg

Still don't see much changes but really it's only day 3 so just normal.

[nickmanista]

I'm following!!!

[mw1111]

In for some great results:)

[j-s]

Day 4

Back day, good workout, I think I might have hurt my lower back a bit while doing deadlift, I will see how it feel tomorrow. Still don't feel the effect but again day 4 only

epi 40mg furaz 500mg

[thabenjaminz05]

Give it a few days, keep kicking ass until then though, you should love this cycle. I ran a similar one, (H-Drol/Fura) and it was my favorite yet.

[j-s]

Day 5

Bi's and Tri's, overall a good workout strength was good but not more then usual. My lower back is feeling alot better today but not 100% ok I guess it should be ok after the week end off.

epi was 40mg furaz 500mg

Can't wait to start to feel it kicking on

[j-s]

well days 6 and 7 were off and travel days. Bad news, Delta lost one of my bags and of course it was my civilian stuff in it including all my supplements with my furaz and epi si unless they get it back to me asap my cycle is screwed :(

[SonicSWOLE]

Oh wow...that is pretty f*d up man. I hope you hear back from thm soon!

[j-s]

Well they found it and I should receive it today between 8 am and 8 pm so hopefully it will be closer to 8 am so I can take my dosage asap instead of all at the end of the day.

[nickmanista]

WOW! AT least they found it. That would of really sucked if they didn't. You should always put that stuff in your carry on bag.:eek:

[j-s]

Yep I know but the amount of supp. I take is kind of hard to carry on lol. I received it at noon so everything is fine I took 20mg epi and 150 furaz right away. I started tp spread my furaz a bit more instead of 250 AM and 250 PM I'm doing 150 AM 150 before WO and 200 night what do you guys think? Also I was thinking of doing similar with epi but with all that it's getting harder to take the cycle support 4 hours appart from PH

[j-s]

Day 8

Chest, good work out overall I think my strength is getting a bit better.

epi 40 mg furaz 500mg

[KinesitionChirossage]

MAN! Your Furazadrol dosage is nuts, but in a way "necessary" get not only its cutting properties, but also for hypertrophy. I haven't even done the math on how many doggone bottles that it would take to dose it @ 500mg. I would have to venture to say that with dosages that high, it should feel like an actual cycle of Winstrol. Great luck on this cycle man. I would like to see some more detail if you could, but I will definitely be checking back with you to see if the "juice is worth the squeeze" as far as the cost(s) is/are concerned.

[Grn92LX]

^^ It takes 7 bottles to dose it @ 500mg for 6 weeks. I got all my 7 bottles in my bedroom waiting to start in May :)

[j-s]

Day 9

Shoulders training. I think I might start to feel a bit of the effects since I seem to recuperate faster between sets which are about 30 sec apart from each others. Good workout today, the strength I had lost due to me cutting my caloric intake too much seem to come back. I think I look fuller too but that might be my mind playing tricks on me.

epi 40mg furaz 500mg

I'm thinking about uping the epi to 50mg at one point or even 60 if everything is going well so I use all of the 2 bottle I have.

Sorry if I didn't give much details so far but it's just because there isn't much to say right now because I don't feel much changes yet, but I can't wait for it, like some people told me by the end of this week it should start to get interesting.

Diet for the last 4 days wasn't great as I cheated the day before my departure from home and traveling day was eat what I can get. For yesterday and today well I had to eat at the post mess hall so it's not great but tomorrow I move to an apartment near post and I'll have a full kitchen so diet will get back on track.

[j-s]

Day 10

Legs, Very good workout even if I don't really like doing squats anymore it was a nice change. Strength is good but not extra yet. Diet was back on track for the last half of the day since I had to eat at the mess hall again for lunch. Now that I am in my apartment it will be back to very strict diet.

Still waiting to feel the effect of this stack and can't wait, hope to feel it by the end of the week and see more result and changes.

On the other end well there is no sides also other then mild back pumps that are not keeping me from working out but I'll make sure I take some taurine tomorrow since it's going to be back day.

[LEARN]

glad to hear there are no sides :D


As Sonny once said the turtle won the race

[mw1111]

If you are already getting back pumps , then you need to start taking Taurine EVERY day...they can ruin a cycle.:(

[j-s]

Ok will do, it's nothing big just that by the end of my legs workout it felt like every once in a while I had to lay against a whall if not I was going to have some kind of a cramp in the lower back. What quantity of Taurine should I take?

BTW today was a mess didn't get to eat more then 2 meal because of my flying schedule and by the time we landed the gym was almost close and I needed some food first so tomorrow will be a big day at the gym. Now that I know how crazy our ground school + flying schedule will be I will get food ready ahead of time.

[j-s]

Day 12

Back training. Wow very good training I think it is really starting to kick in. My dead done at the end of the back training felt easy for the first 2 set compare to the other weeks on the third it was a bit harder but the back started to pump so my fourth was lighter. I take only 30 sec between sets so my weights are not as heavy as I would like, ex I usually do 4 set of dead with 225lbs at the end of the workout. I felt like I could still go so I jumped on the bench for some sets of press since I lack size in the chest department strength was good I pyramided the weight up to 50 lbs higher then usual :) and I think I look leaner then 2 weeks ago.

Still no sides that I can feel other then light back pupms and maybe some facial acne.

[mw1111]

I would take 2.5 -4 g for maintenance but if BP kick in full , then up to 5-8g

[j-s]

K thx, I was just a bit scare of using too much and having some water retention since I doind g this cycle to recomp so no water is wanted.

[mw1111]

I'd rather have a little rention than a little back pumps! lol

[j-s]

Day 13

arms, I went to the gym today to compensate for my lost day on Thursday, Great workout strength was simillar to before for arms but I just could have kept going all day, 'i was done and after 2 to 3 min rest I was ready to get going again, I start to love this cycle, just need the leaning out result to be better and it will be perfect but I'm only at day 12 too so I have to be patient lol.

Still no apparent sides, I started taking taurine every days to avoid back pupms on legs and back days.

PS I'm not really looking at my weight since every scale are different so I'm waiting to get back home and get checked again for my BF and weight at the same time on the same scale I got my stats at the beginning of my cycle but for reference here I'm at 221lbs for now.

[j-s]

Day 14

Day off

Today I go a bit higher in my carb intake to shock my system a bit.

[j-s]

Day 15

Chest. Good workout in the sense that I had another crazy ground school+ flight schedule today and i didn't get to eat enough. Weight didn't go up but stayed the same at 4 sets of 8 with 30 sec rest in between sets. My chest is super pumped right now. Even if I couldn't lift anymore I still felt like I could have kept going.

furaz still 500 and epi still 40, I'm thinking of upping the epi so I will use the full 2 bottle for the 6 weeks cycle I just have to figure when I would have to start 50. Sometimes I'm even thinking of going up to 60 if I have enough since sofar I have no visible sides.

[j-s]

Day 16

Shoulder day, another crazy day but I got prepared a bit better so food intake was decent. Very good workout again didn't seem much stronger but felt like I could have kept going more. I'm starting to think about ordering more Furaz also to up the dose to 600 or even 700 for the last 3 weeks as well as uping my dosage of epi to use the entire 2 bottle like I said before.

[Massivehunt]

Before you go that high, why don't you wait till it starts kicking in.

[j-s]

I just said I'm thinking, lol not sure yet because I still have to buy my other cycles for the next year while I'm in the states. Its just that I'm getting impatient a bit to get more result. I will most likelly stay at 500 for furaz but will probably use the entire 2 bottle of epi so I don't have like half a bottle left after the cycle

[nickmanista]

it should be fully kickin in SOON...:D

[Grn92LX]

Have you noticed any body fat loss yet? How about any lean mass weight?

[j-s]

Day 17

Legs. Good workout, I will up the taurine on legs adn on back days because by the end of my workout I have a bit of a hard time with my back, other then that very good.

I think my libido is starting to slow down (which isn't a big deal since I'm away from home) other then that and the moderate back pump I still don't have visible sides.

[j-s]

Have you noticed any body fat loss yet? How about any lean mass weight?

Yes I did lean out a bit but not as much as I would have wish but this might be my impatience and the fact that I see myself every days it would be more apparent for someone that didn't see me in cpl weeks. Lean mass same here I think I do look bigger but it might be only the effect of leaning out a bit that make me look better. Like I said before it's ard to compare weight from the beginning here but from my weight here last week and last night I didn't loose any so I'm either loosing fat and gaining muscle or nothing is happening lol. I prefer option.

[Grn92LX]

You should have done caliper tests before you started and took measurements with a tape measure before. This way every few weeks you can retest yourself and see whats happening.

[j-s]

I did get a caliper test before I started, I did not get measurements, but from what I see I did get a bit leaner and what I meant is for someone that doesn't see me everyday it could be more obvious that I am leaner.

[j-s]

Day 18

Back day, very good work out, back pump almost nonexistent today, took 3g of taurine through the day. Next back day DL should increase a bit I hope. Received the last bit of my PCT that was missing today so I'm all set now.

Should up epi to 50 sometime next week, I have to calculate again to make sure I start on the right day.

Still no visible sides other then my libido seem to decrease a bit. If back pumps are staying like this it will be perfect.

[mw1111]

Which Epi product you using for this??

[j-s]

The IBE epistane

[j-s]

Day 19

arms. Awesome work out today. I think everything is still going well, found a good dosage for the taurine and I'll up the epi to 50 on next Wednesday :)

Still no visible sides.

[LEARN]

Day 19

arms. Awesome work out today. I think everything is still going well, found a good dosage for the taurine and I'll up the epi to 50 on next Wednesday :)

Still no visible sides.

JS PM sent bro please reply

[j-s]

Days 20 and 21 were off

Day 22 chest. Very good workout but didn't have enough time to do any cardio. My wieght are increasing very little but the reason I'm using hormones is actually to not loose strength with lower cal intake. Tomorrow is the last day before upping epi to 50 :) this should help a bit more with strength. I'll try to weigh myself on the gym scale to give you guys an idea of progress. I'm deff leaner.

Still no visible sides, fell super good.

[GeekPoop]

Nice bro keep hitting it hard :)

[nickmanista]

kool man...

[j-s]

Day 23

Shoulders. Awesome workout today, I killed my shoulders I could barely lift my water bottle up to my mouth. Strength was decent as usual. The back pumps seem to taken care of by the taurine at 3.5g a day I will see tomorrow on legs and Thursday on back if I need to up the taurine. Tomorrow will be first day of epi at 50, can't wait to see if I will feel a difference.

[j-s]

Btw Thx for the support guys, it's appreciated. This is my first log so I will get better with time I guess.

[j-s]

Day 24

Legs. Once again killed the legs today so much that once I was done I felt like I was going to puke. Weight went up on squat and stayed the same everywhere else. It's first day of epi at 50mg so nothing diff yet. I guess the taurine is just ok at 3g a day but could be a bit higher since I got very little back pump after squat but it went away very fast to come back while doing leg curl which I find weird. So tomorrow I will up the taurine at 4g since it's back day. Oh yeah my weight went up 1 lbs since last time I got on the scale here but I say it again since it's a diff scale then the one I got my original stats from this is just as a reference.

[j-s]

Day 25

Back. Very good workout again. It's day 2 of epi at 50mg still no big diff. I went up 30lbs on my deadlift today but I think it's due to me being conservative on it for the last bit since I recently start doing dead again. The rest of the weight stayed the same and it might be also affected by starting with dead today instead of doing later in the program.

Still no visible sides

[GeekPoop]

ahh nice to hear about ur DL going up. I like epi, no sides, effective in liek 4 days, and solid noticeable gains

[The Damage]

Sorry I'm late bro, but I just saw this now.

Break up your Fura dosages to 100mg 5x daily(AM/Lunch/Pre Workout/Post Workout/PM). I found better results with that and I have a feeling that your IBE Epi may be bunk as you should feel Epi's effects within the first week IMO.

Also, try not to take any taurine with this and just increase water intake if you want to stay dry on cycle.

Also, if you're not carb cycling on this, you should be. ;)

I'll be watching and let me know if you need any help.

[j-s]

Good to know you found it :). I take my furaz 3 times a day sofar but I try what you said it might be a bit hard because of my flying schedule. My epi is coming from NP and an AX rep that won some but didn't want to use it, so I guess it should be good stuff. I think the problem is I should have got one more bottle and maybe up the dose a bit more since I have the tendency of processing everything faster then average personne and the effect are usually alot less then average. ex once in hospital they gave me max dose of morphine and it didn't do shit so they switched to demerol and same thing they had to stop giving me either because in there book I was risking overdose. I guess my liver/system get use to stuff real fast.

As for carbs well In try to take the least I can all week and on the week end I do one high carb day, is that good? I know taurine make me keep some water but even with 1.5 to 2 gallon of water a day I still had some back pumps. What I could try is to use taurine only on legs and back days and see what happened.

[Grn92LX]

Sorry I'm late bro, but I just saw this now.

Break up your Fura dosages to 100mg 5x daily(AM/Lunch/Pre Workout/Post Workout/PM). I found better results with that



Its OK to dose it with cycle assist?

[The Damage]

Good to know you found it :). I take my furaz 3 times a day sofar but I try what you said it might be a bit hard because of my flying schedule. My epi is coming from NP and an AX rep that won some but didn't want to use it, so I guess it should be good stuff. I think the problem is I should have got one more bottle and maybe up the dose a bit more since I have the tendency of processing everything faster then average personne and the effect are usually alot less then average. ex once in hospital they gave me max dose of morphine and it didn't do shit so they switched to demerol and same thing they had to stop giving me either because in there book I was risking overdose. I guess my liver/system get use to stuff real fast.

As for carbs well In try to take the least I can all week and on the week end I do one high carb day, is that good? I know taurine make me keep some water but even with 1.5 to 2 gallon of water a day I still had some back pumps. What I could try is to use taurine only on legs and back days and see what happened.

Interesting... Try to space your dosages out at the most, 6 hours apart if you can.

I don't recommend Epi to being with, but even still... you should be seeing SOMETHING. :(

It might be worth it to grab a bottle of Havoc and switch it up now that you're about halfway through. Just a thought bro.


Its OK to dose it with cycle assist?

I never use any on cycle aids as such with these mild compounds, but I would think that you would want to try to space them away from you PH dosages. Check with the CEL reps for their advice.

[j-s]

Interesting... Try to space your dosages out at the most, 6 hours apart if you can.

It's pretty much what I'm doing but 3 times a day. 6am, noon, and max 6 pm which these day is just before workout most of the times.

[j-s]

Day 26

arms. I got a solid workout and lifted until I could barely move my arms then I went and did a bit of chest low weight high reps ,because I lack alot in the chest department compare to the rest. I also did a bit of cardio but having not taken any taurine today and because of my schedule didn't get enough water I had to cut short after 13 mins because I couldn't stand my back anymore.

Still no visible sides other then back pumps, I guess this will be my week point in any cycle :(

[j-s]

Day 27 and 28 were off

Day 29 chest, I stepped out a bit of what I'm usually doing for chest today to shock my chest and try to fix my lack in size.

I started with flat bench
2x warm up with 15x135
10x225
8x245
7x275
5x285
8x225

went to incline dumble 4sets of 8 with 80's only 30sec rest between each
decline bench followed with
10x225
7x235
5x235
8x225

and finished it with 4 sets of horizontal cable cross over followed by 4 more sets of incline (up) cable cross over.

It felt very good and my chest was very pumped

Still no visible sides

[GeekPoop]

You feeling anything yet from either of the compounds/noticing anything?

For my epi Im running havoc right now because I caught an awesome deal on it a while back. Also If youre not noticing anything try moving up from 40mg

ps have you ran either compound before?

[j-s]

I'm up to 50 on the epi. It's hard to tell if I really feel something but thats a normal thing for myself. I usually don't feel much of the effects but I do get result usually. No I had never ran either before, I know I should have done a stand alone run of at least one of them before but I didn't. I notice that I look fuller and leaner but only the caliper will tell the truth when I get back home which will be 2 weeks into pct. Sofar my weight seem to stay the same even at 2900 cal a day or less so it might be a good thing right?

[GeekPoop]

I'm up to 50 on the epi. It's hard to tell if I really feel something but thats a normal thing for myself. I usually don't feel much of the effects but I do get result usually. No I had never ran either before, I know I should have done a stand alone run of at least one of them before but I didn't. I notice that I look fuller and leaner but only the caliper will tell the truth when I get back home which will be 2 weeks into pct. Sofar my weight seem to stay the same even at 2900 cal a day or less so it might be a good thing right?
Heh, not a lotta people run stand alones so I wouldnt get bent outta shape about it :P

I ran epi solo at liek 30mg and never really felt "on" or noticed a suddent jump in strength. Gains were slow n steady but noticeably stronger. I actually lost weight on the cycle, about 10lbs. But I was asked if I was juicing because I filled out a lot.

Back when I ran it, I was on a pure bulking diet like 3.5k clean calories too! You kinda sound like me the 1st time I ran it :)

[j-s]

Day 30

Shoulders. Overall good workout, went up in wait on the rear lateral raise but stayed the same everywhere else. Forgot to weight myself so it will be tomorrow hopefully. Diet has not been great the last 2 days because of my flight schedule, I did eat really clean but less then I should have I guess.

Still no visible sides.

[j-s]

Day 31

Legs. Once again I pushed really hard on legs and I felt like I was going to puke after my work out. It took me almost 1/2 hours before feeling better. I went up 30lbs on squats so 4 sets of 8 with 275lbs taking a bit less then a minute between sets. I also went up 90lbs on the leg press for a total of 12 plates, did 3 sets of 8 and one of 7 with 30 sec between sets. The rest stayed the same.

I weighted myself and I'm still only 1lbs heavier then when I got here 3 weeks ago so either I'm doing something wrong or I putting alot of muscle weight because I look leaner and I was expecting to loose weight since I dropped my total calorie intake.

Still no visible sides and my libido didn't drop more then just a little bit so far.

[Brutality]

Was actually interested in furaz for a bit. Good luck man, I'll be checking in on this one!

[j-s]

I didn't get to the gym yesterday and it look like I won't be able today either since I have been feeling like crap for the last 2 days. Hopefully it will get better ASAP so I can get back in the gym.

[j-s]

So On day 36 I think I'll have to stop due to illness. I had felt like shit on Thursday and got really sick on Friday, took Saturday off the ph's and got back on it Sunday because I felt better on Saturday but today it started again and my dinner just got back out in the toilet so I'm thinking it's something to do with my system giving me a warning right now. So I'll probably start pct tomorrow :(

[The Damage]

So On day 36 I think I'll have to stop due to illness. I had felt like shit on Thursday and got really sick on Friday, took Saturday off the ph's and got back on it Sunday because I felt better on Saturday but today it started again and my dinner just got back out in the toilet so I'm thinking it's something to do with my system giving me a warning right now. So I'll probably start pct tomorrow :(

Damn! Sorry to hear that bro, it seems that your base may need work before you try another PH. Just MHO.

Get where you want to be naturally and THEN jump on. The results will be that much more apparent. ;)

[j-s]

Well I had good result naturally I just went to ph's for a little boost and frankly it wasn't too bad until last week when I started the newer batch of furaz (not saying it caused my problem here) just a reference in time. I did lean out and am quite happy with it, was expecting a bit more but that's me I always want more from everything. My problem is caused either by the ph's or bad chicken. I will take a good break of sups after pct since it might also be my liver playing tricks on me. Next time I'll try to get even better results but I'm in no hurry, I'll try to keep loosing fat after pct and will see where it bring me too.

[j-s]

K so it's now official I started PCT 2 days ago, six days ahead of the plan. I feel alot better now and I narrowed it down to bad chicken and not the ph's. My final comments is overall good cycle. I did lean out but didn't loose weight (well before my little problem) so did put on some size. I never felt a big difference in the way my system felt with the ph's but I get get some result which is pretty normal for myself. If I do it again it will probably be with hdrol instead of epi and I might go a bit higher on furaz like trying 600 ed. I'm a bit dissapointed that I had to cut it short especially so close to the end. The result I got by not loosing weight like I read with furaz might be because I didn't drop my callories low enough, it was all clean but at around 2900 a day so maybe I should have got donw to 2500 or 2000 to drop more bf%. I will post before and after pics when I get back home in 3 weeks so yes the after ones will be almost at the end of pct.

If I log again I'll try to put more info but it's just that I'm not really the kind of putting all my weights and lifts.

[LEARN]

great job man I am glad to hear you narrowed it down to the chicken. I am also glad to hear that you leaned out the weight issue really shouldnt matter as long as you gined muscle and lost fat. Furazadrol @ 600mg is a bit much if you ask me BUT not out of the Question.




I will be running HDrol and Furazadrol for my next run :D