vyper-as a fatburner.

[thebigt]

ok, big thanks to nate and damage. i got my bottle yesterday along with my long awaited samples of the new stimx. i did 2 of the stimx and was impressed, not as strong as vyper-ive never done 2 vyper. the vyper has 90 caps, more than enough for a full month. i will see what kind of body recomp i can get over the next month using vyper. it seems i am in a continuous recomp so i can't wait to see what vyper can add. i will take first dose later today.

[nateedogg27]

Great to hear I can't wait for your log.

[The Damage]

Great to hear man, I hope you enjoy it as much as the other loggers. :)

TTT for Professional Supplements. ;)

[thebigt]

i have now taken vyper on an empty and full stomach, the amazing thing-to me anyways is that vyper seems to hit harder on an empty.

[thabenjaminz05]

Shouldn't it work better on an empty stomach, thats why they say take with food so it isnt absorbed as quickly and causes nasea? I could be way off.

[thebigt]

Shouldn't it work better on an empty stomach, thats why they say take with food so it isnt absorbed as quickly and causes nasea? I could be way off.

no, you are right. thats what is so amazing, i usually always take stims on empty but i followed instructions on vyper [something i rarely do] and took on a full stomach, next time i took on empty and results were less stim effect. i thought this might be a fluke so i tried with food again and the results were better than on an empty. this is first stim to have this effect on me. i am convinced that for me anyways vyper is stronger on a full stomach.

[nateedogg27]

no, you are right. thats what is so amazing, i usually always take stims on empty but i followed instructions on vyper [something i rarely do] and took on a full stomach, next time i took on empty and results were less stim effect. i thought this might be a fluke so i tried with food again and the results were better than on an empty. this is first stim to have this effect on me. i am convinced that for me anyways vyper is stronger on a full stomach.

Very interesting! Yeah i would think the opposite! I'll have to compare this myself when i start taking it.

[thebigt]

Very interesting! Yeah i would think the opposite! I'll have to compare this myself when i start taking it.

i swear this is the only stim to have this effect. it's kind of nice to be able to eat a big meal with the vyper and not be hungry for 6 hours.

[thebigt]

ok, more layoffs at work. as glad as i am to still be working those of us left are being asked to do way more to make up for less employees. needless to say vyper has bailed me out. i am taking 2 a day and i have even impressed myself with how much i have been able to get done. my diet has been poor, with 12 hour shifts it always is. i have lost 5 pounds, but i am afraid i have lost more muscle than i would like. thanks again, nate and damage-the vyper has really helped.:D

[nateedogg27]

ok, more layoffs at work. as glad as i am to still be working those of us left are being asked to do way more to make up for less employees. needless to say vyper has bailed me out. i am taking 2 a day and i have even impressed myself with how much i have been able to get done. my diet has been poor, with 12 hour shifts it always is. i have lost 5 pounds, but i am afraid i have lost more muscle than i would like. thanks again, nate and damage-the vyper has really helped.:D


No problem! Hang in their man!

[thebigt]

aaah, the weekend-gotta love it. going to get some sleep this afternoon, then going to try 2 caps upon rising tomorrow to see what it will do. i have to say that i have really been busting my asss at work but i notice i am sweating alot more than usual, sweat is dripping down onto my safety glasses with hardly any exertion. i got home this morning and my tee shirt was still damp. will eat a lot of healthy food this weekend and try to get some muscle back by doing low rep high pound weights at gym. going to add another protein shake to take to work with me on sunday night-losing weight too fast.

[thebigt]

took 2 caps before breakfast this morning, wow. still pretty wired. ran a bunch of errands took dog for a walk and washed the car. cleaning up the garage and then will start on basement. this stuff really makes me sweat.:D

[thebigt]

took 2 caps before work, then 1 at 2nd break. wow, one of the most productive nights ive had in a long time. i am trying to refrain from weighing everyday as my weight fluctuates, i will be weighing thurs night/fri morning. i will say i have taken a notch out of my belt-vyper continues to impress.:D

[celc5]

Hell ya T! How's mood? Jittery/nervous or smooth?

[thebigt]

Hell ya T! How's mood? Jittery/nervous or smooth?

at 2 caps it's kinda rough for about 30 minutes, then it levels off. i am glad i didn't start out at 2, i am used to it enough now to handle 2 at once.:D

[celc5]

this is the talk of the town... should have known the stim guru had his hands on some and was passing the word around :D

[thebigt]

this is the talk of the town... should have known the stim guru had his hands on some and was passing the word around :D

i really put stims to the test with the long hours i work. vyper passes the test with ease. imagine 8-12 hours in the gym every night including cardio and heavy lifting, vyper has gotten me through some very rough nights at work with energy to spare. at 90 caps per bottle this is a lot of bang for the buck, one of the most economical supps i can think of-well worth the money. hey celc, a bottle of vyper might last you 2-3 months.

[ChefDeez]

i really put stims to the test with the long hours i work. vyper passes the test with ease. imagine 8-12 hours in the gym every night including cardio and heavy lifting, vyper has gotten me through some very rough nights at work with energy to spare. at 90 caps per bottle this is a lot of bang for the buck, one of the most economical supps i can think of-well worth the money. hey celc, a bottle of vyper might last you 2-3 months.

A bottle of vyper would last celc 2-3 years since he would only be able to tolerate 1/4 of a cap at a time:D just kidding bro. I can't imagine taking more than 1 cap. 1 cap had me buzzin all day long.

[celc5]

LMAO :o U guys are total crachheads with your stims... maybe I'll try this stuff out once I build up a little tolerance again next summer :rolleyes: I still stim when I get the occasional chance to have morning workouts though. Maybe 25mg Ephedrine and 2 caps Xforce has been my favorite as of late. Works well with or without food, which isn't the case for most stims as BigT said earlier in this thread.

[thebigt]

LMAO :o U guys are total crachheads with your stims... maybe I'll try this stuff out once I build up a little tolerance again next summer :rolleyes: I still stim when I get the occasional chance to have morning workouts though. Maybe 25mg Ephedrine and 2 caps Xforce has been my favorite as of late. Works well with or without food, which isn't the case for most stims as BigT said earlier in this thread.

better build up some tolerance before using this one. 1 cap had my hair standing on end the first time, haven't had that feeling again but first time using this is a real experience.

[thebigt]

vyper is still kicking. very good stim.

[thebigt]

i took the weekend off from vyper because tolerance was starting to build. since doing that i am responding like at the beginning, i will continue doing this for duration. btw i have upped cals to slow weight loss.

[thebigt]

looks like i am about 2/3 through my bottle, i have developed some tolerance and am up to 3 ed. the energy is still good just wears of quicker, but the fatburning on this is amazing. this has been the longest a bottle of fatburner/stim has ever lasted me and i am only 2/3 through it. very economical.:D

[nateedogg27]

looks like i am about 2/3 through my bottle, i have developed some tolerance and am up to 3 ed. the energy is still good just wears of quicker, but the fatburning on this is amazing. this has been the longest a bottle of fatburner/stim has ever lasted me and i am only 2/3 through it. very economical.:D

great to hear i'm glad its working for you!

[thebigt]

nate, thank you for letting me try this. vyper is a great stim, very powerful but the fat and weight loss on vyper is truly amazing. if you want extra energy-vyper is very good. if you want to cut some weight then vyper is absolutely for you. i actually had to increase cals to keep from losing weight TOO fast, and i wasn't even watching cals to start with. with vyper you WILL lose weight-without even trying. simply amazing fatburner.:D

[nateedogg27]

nate, thank you for letting me try this. vyper is a great stim, very powerful but the fat and weight loss on vyper is truly amazing. if you want extra energy-vyper is very good. if you want to cut some weight then vyper is absolutely for you. i actually had to increase cals to keep from losing weight TOO fast, and i wasn't even watching cals to start with. with vyper you WILL lose weight-without even trying. simply amazing fatburner.:D


Well thank you for trying it out and we appretiate your feedback!! I'm glad it worked for you now I can't wait to try it in my summer cut!! :D

[thebigt]

i am running a formestane log on another forum and mentioned that i lost weight too fast on a new fatburner/stim. so i guess the word is out on vyper, seems to be some interest in something that causes you to loose weight even on a shitty diet.

[sunnibuns]

Is Vyper available at DA yet? Can't seem to find it. :p

[thebigt]

lllearn-whats up with that? i can't believe da would let us all run logs on a product they don't carry, but i can't find it either.

[nateedogg27]

lllearn-whats up with that? i can't believe da would let us all run logs on a product they don't carry, but i can't find it either.

Yeah they used to carry professional Supplement products :cool: lllearn PM me if they are interested in carrying them again, i'll hook them up with Art, and i'll make sure he gives them a great deal!

[thebigt]

Yeah they used to carry professional Supplement products :cool: lllearn PM me if they are interested in carrying them again, i'll hook them up with Art, and i'll make sure he gives them a great deal!

tell art he can hook me up. when i run vyper again it will be as needed not everyday-it's some strong stuff...

[nateedogg27]

tell art he can hook me up. when i run vyper again it will be as needed not everyday-it's some strong stuff...

Just give me a shout and i'll see what i can do for you!!

Next week, I plan on running 3days on Vyper, and 1 day off, and on the off day i'm going to take ephedrine. Art has taken Vyper this way and lost some seriould lbs!

[thebigt]

Just give me a shout and i'll see what i can do for you!!

Next week, I plan on running 3days on Vyper, and 1 day off, and on the off day i'm going to take ephedrine. Art has taken Vyper this way and lost some seriould lbs!

my review has nothing to do with the fact it was free. i really had some great results with this. i think this would be great to run with a mild ph like furazadrol, no way with the xtren!!! hook me up!!!

[LEARN]

lllearn-whats up with that? i can't believe da would let us all run logs on a product they don't carry, but i can't find it either.

not sure really lol I know that DA carried their products but havent seen any that have been logged I will pass the word on

[LEARN]

my review has nothing to do with the fact it was free. i really had some great results with this. i think this would be great to run with a mild ph like furazadrol, no way with the xtren!!! hook me up!!!

hmmm not sure if it would effect BP or not ??? it is serious in the stim dpt

[EDAWG146]

As much as my fat ass needs to lose weight, i'm scared to take vyper. I'm fat but I do have some mass and i'm scared i'll lose more mass than fat.

[LEARN]

As much as my fat ass needs to lose weight, i'm scared to take vyper. I'm fat but I do have some mass and i'm scared i'll lose more mass than fat.

well I can say I lost some mass no doubt but it is the price you must pay to be lean :D

vyper kicks @$$

[celc5]

As much as my fat ass needs to lose weight, i'm scared to take vyper. I'm fat but I do have some mass and i'm scared i'll lose more mass than fat.

that used to happen to me on cuts. But I think what happened was that protein is in a lot of things like pasta, cereals, and other staple carbs. When I cut my carbs down, it pulled my protein down with it.

Last summer, I increased my protein with an extra 1/2 scoop powder per shake and like an extra can of tuna per day, I kept all my lean mass through about 12 weeks of a light "normal guy" cut (according to skinfolds with caliper) this time.

IMO, the key is keeping pro up when cutting. I'm not saying you didn't do that already. It's just the mistake that I made for the past few summers.

[thebigt]

that used to happen to me on cuts. But I think what happened was that protein is in a lot of things like pasta, cereals, and other staple carbs. When I cut my carbs down, it pulled my protein down with it.

Last summer, I increased my protein with an extra 1/2 scoop powder per shake and like an extra can of tuna per day, I kept all my lean mass through about 12 weeks of a light "normal guy" cut (according to skinfolds with caliper) this time.

IMO, the key is keeping pro up when cutting. I'm not saying you didn't do that already. It's just the mistake that I made for the past few summers.

celc, vyper is different. i was eatting above maintenance, but my metabolism skyrocketted so much that i seemed to lose no matter what i ate. i would like to try vyper again, but this time i will be more aware of what it can do. second time around, hopefully i will have learned something. i won't be doing another cycle for 5-6 months but i think a mild ph like fura/mmv2 or something like that would be a great cut. maybe even hdrol or p-mag.

[celc5]

celc, vyper is different. i was eatting above maintenance, but my metabolism skyrocketted so much that i seemed to lose no matter what i ate. i would like to try vyper again, but this time i will be more aware of what it can do. second time around, hopefully i will have learned something. i won't be doing another cycle for 5-6 months but i think a mild ph like fura/mmv2 or something like that would be a great cut. maybe even hdrol or p-mag.

I swear to goodness sake that I was gonna say to stack with something mild like dermacrine, MMV2, or Furaz for a razor sharp cut. Ha! You should be the poster boy for the mild ones :D ...after the SD run, I share you sentiments though, quick recovery compounds are the ones for me. Halo, pmag, epithios, keep it simple.

[thebigt]

I swear to goodness sake that I was gonna say to stack with something mild like dermacrine, MMV2, or Furaz for a razor sharp cut. Ha! You should be the poster boy for the mild ones :D ...after the SD run, I share you sentiments though, quick recovery compounds are the ones for me. Halo, pmag, epithios, keep it simple.

believe me, i thought xtren was going to be alot milder. stack it with halo t... stack it with epi t. shit i got my hands full just on the xtren. strongest ph ive ran.

[stim freak]

i have now taken vyper on an empty and full stomach, the amazing thing-to me anyways is that vyper seems to hit harder on an empty.

I'm with you on this one.I have taken both ways and empty stomach definately hits harder but........i never know when i'll get a little nausea (sp?) when taken that way.When i do my day gets real bad for 45 min to an hour.

[thebigt]

I'm with you on this one.I have taken both ways and empty stomach definately hits harder but........i never know when i'll get a little nausea (sp?) when taken that way.When i do my day gets real bad for 45 min to an hour.

i would stick to taking with food then, it was amazing how much i felt my metabolism increased on vyper. felt like i could eat anything and still loose, next time i will have a better game plan and use vyper more wisely. lost a lot of muscle along with fat the first time, 2nd time around i will know what to expect.