SNS - CVM and CE2 stack

[wedgylx]

I'm stacking Cell Volumizing Matrix Xtreme with CE2 by Serious Nutrition Solutions. CVM's label is posted at the end of this thread and CE2 is a esterfied creatine pill. I started taking them last week but got sick so this is only the second day I've been taking them since my illness. I figured I'd make a journal since alot of people have been asking me about the supplements lately.

Its too early to say much about it, I feel really good pumps when i use them (from CVM's arginine i assume) and also seem to get a few extra reps out when using so far. One thing is they make me thirst as hell. I've taken a few different creatines before and sure they've made me a little extra thirsty but after every set i did it felt like I hadnt had a sip of water in weeks. I speed-walked to the fountain literally between every set.

The flavor is pretty good. I have fruit punch and its alot better than "Sweet Tart Punch" by Syntrax flavor wise. I guess they also have grape and orange, I'm excited to see how orange tastes.

I just figured I'd post the label on this so you guys can see it. Very much like SwoleV2 with a few added flares and more of many of the ingredients.

serving size - 1 heaping scoop
50 servings per container

0 cals

DicreatineMalate - 4g
Betaine Anhydrous 2g
Taurine 2g
2:1 DiArginine Malate 1.5g
Glucuronalactone 1g
Glycocymine 500mg
Vitamin B6 100mg
Vitamin B3 50mg
Folic Acid 200mcg
Vitamin B12 125 mcg


I did chest yesterday and lost strength due to my sickness. I'm feeling good today and I'm working back in an hour or so, I'll post my workout when i get back

[wedgylx]

Back
Deadlifts- 225lbs X9
----------275lbs X5, X5

Lat Pulldowns - 190lbs X7, X7, X6
DB bent rows - 95lbs X5, X5, X5
Cable rows - 160lbs X6, X5, X5, X5
Behind-neck pulldown machine - 140lbs alternating arms X9,X8, X8

I had a GREAT workout today. My deads went up, my pulldowns went up, my DB rows went up. My cable rows stayed about the same and this was the first time i ever did the behind the neck pulldown machine - i liked it very much. I think the creatines are really kicking in now.

[max von]

Wed
I checked out the CVM product last night and it looks really good will be trying that soon.

max von

[italndiesel]

good looking stack there lol...you feel the same as me

[italionstallionl]

im a little confused

what would the point be in taking one of these over the other
ae2 vs cre2bolics

or

creatine e2 matrix vs cvm

a lot of other companies seem to have two or three products that are pretty similar, and i just dont see the big difference between them, seeing how i just bought e2 matrix i am just curious to why there are similar products

[wedgylx]

a lot of other companies seem to have two or three products that are pretty similar, and i just dont see the big difference between them, seeing how i just bought e2 matrix i am just curious to why there are similar products

i dont thin e2 matrix has dicreatine malate....does it?

[italionstallionl]

no, but other than the different types of creatine is there a real difference, is one "suppose" to work better than the other

[wedgylx]

no, but other than the different types of creatine is there a real difference, is one "suppose" to work better than the other

Just a matter of taste. I REALLY like Dicreatine malate, its what's worked the best for me so far. I'm on esterfied creatine/dicreatine malate right now and I like it even better.

[SNS8778]

im a little confused

what would the point be in taking one of these over the other
ae2 vs cre2bolics

or

creatine e2 matrix vs cvm

a lot of other companies seem to have two or three products that are pretty similar, and i just dont see the big difference between them, seeing how i just bought e2 matrix i am just curious to why there are similar products

I am only answering for our company. The reason that we have Creatine E2 Matrix and CVM Xtreme is because that even though they are both in the same per se family of products, CVM Xtreme utilizes DiCreatine Malate are the creatine source, Creatine E2 Matrix uses Creatine Ethyl Ester as the creatine source. Both products include ingredients designed to help with nitric oxide potentiation, but yet are different.

CVM Xtreme:
DiCreatine Malate is a preferred form of creatine for many users. Most will agree that it is very preferable results wise as compared to Creatine Monohydrate. However, to help aid in its absorption, taurine is added to the formula. Betaine Anhydrous and glycocymine are added for volumizing and endurance properties of their own, as well as for enhanced uptake and absorption. Glucuronalcatone is included in the formula to help with energy and endurance. The B Vitamins as there to enhance absorption. 2:1 DiArginine Malate is a N.O. type of product added in to further increase the endurance properties, as well as to increase pumps and vascularity. Another key note is that this product is not just individual ingredients randomly thrown together. Ever ingredient included in this formula is there not only to be effective on it's own, but also to synergistically feed off of each other to offer a more valauble result than just the individual ingredient responses. Kind of like a 1 + 1 = 4 or 5 type of an effect. We do not include ingredients for window dressing, each amount of each ingredient is there for a specific reason.

Creatine E2 Matrix:
Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) is the type of creatine used here. Creatine E2 Matrix's advantages are very high absorption, no bloating, and it seems to work extremely well even in reference to people that do not respond to other types of creatine. This formula also includes 2:1 DiArginine Malate and Citrulline Malate to aid in increased endurance, cell volumizing, better pumps, and improved vascularity. Norvaline is also included for enhanced uptake. Again, you have a synergistic response liek I outlined above in the CVM portion, where you have a 1 + 1 = 4 or 5 type of response.

Each product is unique in its own right.

Random Notes:
- CVM has more ingredients; however, Creatine E2 Matrix does not need to contain some of them so it is not like they are lacking from the Matrix formula. They are simply not needed and there is no use adding things into the formula that do not need to be there.

- CVM Xtreme is a product for those that love other DiCreatine Formulas such as V12, Swole V2, etc. It has distinct advantages over other products in its respective product category.

- Creatine E2 Matrix is competitive and in my opinion superior to other Creatine Ethyl Ester products on the market. I state that as a matter of opinion, but not just based on the fact that I am with the company. If you do not believe that it will outperform other CEE products, all you have to do is look at some of the logs being done on it.

Synopsis:
- Creatine E2 Matrix is a capsulated formula which many say offers increased convenience.
- CVM Xtreme is a powdered formula.
- Reported feedback on both products is increased lean muscle tissue, increased strength, improved endurance, better pumps, and improved vascularity.

Which Product is for you:

(Laughs) Bet you thought there would be a striaght answer on that. Unfortunately there is not.

Individual response is different. If you have used competitive products in the past and prefer DiCreatine Malate formulas, use CVM Xtreme; if your preference is CEE, use Creatine E2 Matrix. I will personally note that if you do not respond to Creatine Monohydrate or even to DiCreatine Malate, Creatine E2 Matrix will probably be the one of choice.

Note:
I am pretty swamped right now, so if I missed anything, I will try to come back to it later.

Oh, just a novel idea that we are hearing from some consumers and Wedgeyls is testing out is taking CVM Xtreme with Creatine E2 capsules. The Creatine E2 capsules are different than the Matrix as they contain just straight Creatine Ethyl Ester.

[wedgylx]

Oh, just a novel idea that we are hearing from some consumers and Wedgeyls is testing out is taking CVM Xtreme with Creatine E2 capsules. The Creatine E2 capsules are different than the Matrix as they contain just straight Creatine Ethyl Ester.

The "Best of Both Worlds" Stack :lol:

[italionstallionl]

wow.


umm.....wow

that definitely covered my question, so you guys are just leaving it up to the customer to decide which product they would like. giving us more options

i have been reading the logs of people on e2 matrix and that is one of the reasons i just bought it, and cant wait to get it.

thanks again for the detailed response, you definitely cleared it up for me

[wedgylx]

Today was my abs day. I took it off considering the pain i was feeling the other day, I dont want to aggravate it again. Tommorow is shoulders/upper traps.

[wedgylx]

Shoulders and Upper Traps
3 sets of DB Military press (taking a rest from heavy arnolds) 75lbs X5, X5, X5
3 sets of lateral raises 30lbs X7, X6, X6
2 sets of Behind the Neck military press - 155lbs X10, X9
2 sets standing arnold presses (alternating) - 35lbs X9, X8
2 sets of reverse pec-deck - 125 X8, X7

3 sets DB shrugs - 110lbs X12, X12, X11
2 Drop sets of cable upright rows
--------130lbs X7, X7
--------110lbs X6, X6
--------90lbs X5, X4

I just went high volume today because I havent really hit the shoulders hard in a while. I'm feeling great and I think I've found my new creatines. I'll definately be making the switch from swole/mono to cvm/ce2. This has been working GREAT for me

[max von]

wedg
keep up your post with yours and the one in am doing it is very interesting to sit back and watch what results are being done by both of us

good luck

[wedgylx]

wedg
keep up your post with yours and the one in am doing it is very interesting to sit back and watch what results are being done by both of us

good luck

I will. Thanks, good luck to you too.

[max von]

Wedg
today was my free day and resting for my body so i ate a giant pizza with extra cheese tonight. Prob not the best thing to post but boy it was good

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedg
today was my free day and resting for my body so i ate a giant pizza with extra cheese tonight. Prob not the best thing to post but boy it was good

max von

haha I'm jealous. You make me want to cheat 8)

[wedgylx]

Bis and Tris
Preacher Curls - 110lbs X5 X4, X4
Standing Curls - 85lbs X X5, X5, X4
Sitting Incline curls 35lbs X5, X5
Cable Concentration Curls - 40lbs X8, X8

Dips - BW + 70lbs X6, X5, X5
CGBP - 185lbs X9, X8
Reverse grip pushdowns - 110lbs X12, X 11
Drop Set pushdowns - 150lbs X7, X6, X6
--------------------- 130lbs X5, X5, X5
--------------------- 110 lbs X5, X4, X4

French Presses - 85lbs X6, X5

I had a great day today. My arms (especially Tris) felt very strong. For some reaosn my dips went down, but my pushdowns went way up. I was doing the whole stack for the top of my drop set. Arms are looking huge too, compared to what they looked like before, my biceps are like boulders. I'm loving this creatine combo I have going on.

[max von]

sorry dude but i had to have my free day and boy did i enjoy it, but now back to the grind

[wedgylx]

After being sick for a few days, i cant afford to miss any more days for a while

[max von]

yea get better so you can do some work so i cna continue to moniter your results very good results your seeing

max von

[wedgylx]

Legs
Squats 225lbs X6, X6, X6

Drop Sets
Leg Extensions 240lbs X7 X7 X7
---------------200lbs X6 X5 X5
---------------180lbs X5 X5 X4

Leg Curls--190lbs X8, X8, X7

Drop Sets
Calf Raise Station 135lbs X7 X8 X7
_______________100lbs X7, X7, X7

Had a pretty good leg workout today actually. My legs are looking good compared to what they looked like before. My quads especially. Overall didnt change as much as the rest of my body because of having to miss them a few times. Strength went up compared to my recent workouts though. So I am pleased. Also my pants are starting to hug my quads, which is nice.

Next time i work legs I'm definitely adding volume though. Maybe leg presses and or lunges

My legs are without a doubt my weak point. I've never had to work legs before in my life since I play hockey. I've always had tree-trunks for legs until I stopped playing about 2 years ago. I stopped working my legs completely for a long time, and even last january when I started body building I made the newbie mistake of not working them out at all. Then you have my injury over the summer in which i usually lied in bed all day and did no cardio or running because it hurt/was too dangerous. So my legs lag very far behind.

[max von]

looking good wedglyx results look really good going to have to try this when i am done

max von

[wedgylx]

Chest
Flat BB bench - 225lbs X7, X5, X4
Incline DB bench - 90lbs X5, X4, X3
Flye machine - 195lbs 5, X5, X4

Drop set of chest machine
-----230lbs X4, X4
-----200lbs X5, X4
-----170lbs X4, X4

Decline flyes
------30lbs X12
------40lbs X8, X7, X7

most of my weights or reps went up from last week. Feeling great, lookin pumped. I'm hitting a deadlock on those BB bench press. Next week I'm throwing an extra 10lbs on there. I know I said that before but being sick killed me. Its so weird, I'm getting 7 reps out easy my first set and my second set I'm DEAD followed by an even worse third set.

[max von]

Wedge

i hear ya on the bench but you can do it once you break through that skys the limit buddy. I got stuck at 225 for a while once but my work out buddy pushed me passed it and now i look forward to chest to see what i can do

max von

[wedgylx]

Thanks bro. I'm happy at this weight i guess but I really want to add on. Next week its 235lbs.

[max von]

youll do put your mind to it and a piece of cake looking forward to hear you tell us you kick 235 butt

max von

[wedgylx]

Its weird because my upper chest has exploded. I went from 80lbs DB to 90lb DB in 3 weeks. My flyes are going up, my other exercises are going up, but my regular BP isnt going anywhere. I think its psychological.

[max von]

wedglyx

your right it is all in your mind you will do it just tell your self that you control your body and not your mind and you will break through it as my friend told me your brain will tell you your done but your body can still do couple more. Once i got that working i listen to my body not my mind

max von

[wedgylx]

Back
Deadlifts - 315lbs X5, X5, X4
Lat Pulldowns - 200lbs X6, X5, X4
Cable Rows - 160lbs X6, X5, X5 (used a new shaped bar, felt it alot more!)
DB Rows - 95lbs X6, X6, X6

Drop Sets Row Machine
------------170lbs X6, X5, X5
------------140lbs X5, X5, X5

Reverse Grip Pulldowns - 120lbs X9, X8

Felt great today. Shattered my previous weight on Deads, went up in everything else, and tried a new bar for my cable rows that I really liked. Its kind of horse-shoe shaped, better than the V shaped one i used before. DB rows went up, i didnt really like the row machine i used and I dont think I'll use it again.

[italndiesel]

awesome wedge - great results too i c - are you drinking enough water? and maybe on your chest day, eat an extra carb meal or a protein shake before training

[wedgylx]

awesome wedge - great results too i c - are you drinking enough water? and maybe on your chest day, eat an extra carb meal or a protein shake before training

I'm definitely getting enough water....chest is doing great on every lift except flat bench so like I said, it must be psychological. Alot of times I'll grab db's and do my set and not even know I went up 5lbs until i get home.

[italionstallionl]

very impressive results, im not going to stack the e2 matrix with anything, but am still going to hope for similar results

[wedgylx]

very impressive results, im not going to stack the e2 matrix with anything, but am still going to hope for similar results

Its a sweet product, i love it!

Shoulders
Arnold PResses 70lbs X8, X7
---------------65lbs X8

Lateral Raises 30lbs X6, X6, X6
Cable anterior delt raises 50lbs X6, X5

Drop Set Shoulder Press Machine
-----------210lbs X8, X6
-----------180lbs X5, X5
-----------150lbs X5, X4

Reverse Pec deck- 165lbs X6, X5, X5

DB Shrugs 110lbs X12, X12, X12

Drop Set Cable Upright rows
--------150lbs X9, X9
--------120lbs X7, X6
--------90lbs X8, X7

Felt good, sore already. Tommorow is Bi's and Tri's. Weighed in at 223lbs today! I'm looking ripped as hell lately, especially in the upper body like chest/shoulders. It was sweet to really see the muscle fibers in my shoulders when doing lateral raises, they've never been that defined before.

[max von]

wedglyx

i did 235 last night just for you and to motivate you you cnado it if i can so i expect to hear from you that you got 235 next time you do chest i have every confidence in you

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

i did 235 last night just for you and to motivate you you cnado it if i can so i expect to hear from you that you got 235 next time you do chest i have every confidence in you

max von

thanks bro. I'll let you know how it goes on sunday

[max von]

i know youll do keep positive and open minded

max von

[wedgylx]

Bi's and Tri's
Standing DB curls - 40lbs X 8
-------------------45lbs X5, X4

Preacher Curls - 115lbs X5, X4
----------------105lbx X6

Hammer Curls - 35lbs X8, X7

Drop Sets cable concentration curls
50lbs X10----- 60lbs X7
40lbs X6------ 50lbs X6
30lbs X6------ 40lbs X5

Weighted dips BW + 70lbs X8, X6, X5
CGBP - 205lbs X 6, X6, X5
Skull Crushers 115lbs X8, X6, X6

Drop Sets Tri Pushdowns
150lbs X12, X10
130lbs X8, X7
110lbs X6, X6

Had a great day today, went up in pretty much everything. Looking pumped, my bi's we're blown way up when doing the drop sets of concentration curls. My tri's are looking much larger recently too.

[max von]

wedglyx

keep it up how soon tell we do that 235 on the chest

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

keep it up how soon tell we do that 235 on the chest

max von

Sunday or monday is chest, depending on which one i want as an off day. I'm guessing sunday I'll do chest because it will give me 2 days between chest and shoulders. I hate doing them after only 1 day between because the top of my chest is still so sore.

[max von]

im there for you buddy

max von

[italndiesel]

hey wedge - are you noticing an increase in size besides the pump - i know this is not the only way to tell if it is working but i am asking b/c of the gains i made in my legs with just the matrix of 1.5 inches

[wedgylx]

hey wedge - are you noticing an increase in size besides the pump - i know this is not the only way to tell if it is working but i am asking b/c of the gains i made in my legs with just the matrix of 1.5 inches

yeah I'm definitely looking bigger lately. My upper chest, Tri's, shoulders are all looking especially large but I am noticing results all over. I am slowly dropping BF% which makes it hard to give measurements in inches, but my arms are now 17.25inches from 16.5 at thier lowest.

I had to miss my workout today, which means i do legs tommorow instead of having the day off. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[max von]

Wedglyx

you put on almost an inch on your arms that is amazing man keep uo the hard work looks like it is paying off

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

you put on almost an inch on your arms that is amazing man keep uo the hard work looks like it is paying off

max von

they were about 15.5 in october after being injured for about 5-6 months.

Gotta love muscle memory!

[max von]

excellent work wedglyx just proves that hard work will pay off

max von

[wedgylx]

Chest
Flat BB Bench - 235lbs X6, X5, X3 <-personal best!

Incline DB Bench-95lbs X3
-----------------90lbs X4
-----------------85lbs X6

Incline DB Flyes - 35lbs X10
-----------------40lbs X8, X7

Chest Press Machine - 220lbs X8, X7, X6

Decline Flye, triple press (3 second negative and positive)
40lbs X5, X5, X4

Had a great work out, beat my personal best for bench, I'm really happy since I've been stuck at 225lbs forever (I think I might even be able to go to 245lbs next week). Trying to go up to 95lb DB kind of killed my next sets of incline DB, but thats alright. Overall felt great and had a great workout. I'll be sore tommorow!

[max von]

Wedglyx

way to go on the 235 told you could do it just needed to get it out of your mind and know you are looking at 245. Im proud of you good job wedglyx was waiting for you to let me know just didnt want to jinx you

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

way to go on the 235 told you could do it just needed to get it out of your mind and know you are looking at 245. Im proud of you good job wedglyx was waiting for you to let me know just didnt want to jinx you

max von

haha thanks max. I'll let you know how 245lbs goes next week. Back tommorow, I might try to add a little to my deadlift.

Starting tommorow I'll be working at my school gym again so I expect my weights to change since they arent the same everywhere (especially machines). When i switched from my school to my current gym it felt like the weights were slightly heavier, so I'm hoping to see an improvement when i go back.

[max von]

you are the man wedglyx keep it up

max von

[wedgylx]

Almost forgot:
Weight - 226lbs
BF% - 16.5 - 17%
Arms - 17.25in
Chest - 47in
Quad - 27in
Calves - 17.25 in

[max von]

i just took me measurements also and they have gone up really good also if you look at my post but your results look awsome keep up the good work

max von

[wedgylx]

i just took me measurements also and they have gone up really good also if you look at my post but your results look awsome keep up the good work

max von

My results are pretty good. Overall I'm looking much larger and leaner. I'm happy.

[max von]

from watching your posts wedglyx i can see why you are happy those are great results

max von

[italionstallionl]

wed, what is the next stack going to be?

[wedgylx]

wed, what is the next stack going to be?

I dont know....i like this so much I'll probably use it again haha.

This is what I just changed to, i wanted to shake things up a little

Breakfast (around 8AM)
SNS CVM extreme - 1 heaping scoop

Pre-Workout (Around 7pm)
SNS CE2 - 2 pills
3 scoops NOXplode

Post-Workout (around 8:30pm)
1.5 scoops Isopure WPI
1 whole wheat bagel
2 pills SNS CE2
6 pills Prolab-BCAA plus

With a high protein, low carb snack (around 11pm)
SNS CVM extreme - 1 heaping scoop


I'm going to stop using creatine when I cut (march) so I will continue to use this stack until I run out. I have 2 tubs of SwoleV2 in my closet, so if I run out of CVM I'll use that, although I do like CVM better.

[max von]

wedglyx

that looks pretty good to me

max von

[wedgylx]

Back
Deadlifts - 315lbs X5, X5, X4
Lat Pulldowns - 200lbs X5, X5, X5
Cable Row Machine - 170lbs X5, X5, X4
BB Rows - 155lbs X8, X8, X7
TBar Rows - 100lbx X6, X5, X5
--immediately upon last set of T-bar rows--
__DB Rows - 80lbs X7

Didnt get to post this yesterday, moved back to school and everything was hectic. I got a decent workout but my diet for the day wasnt so great and was low in cals, so i didnt have as much energy.

[max von]

wedglyx

still look strong to me even on a bad day keep up the good work and let me know if you are doing the same supps again im keeping a log of what people like and what works for then

max von

[italndiesel]

awesome wedg

great results and i can really see how happy you are

this sns stack is the sh*t

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

still look strong to me even on a bad day keep up the good work and let me know if you are doing the same supps again im keeping a log of what people like and what works for then

max von

Im still using the supplements i posted above. This is great because I love the SNS products and get GREAT results using NOXplode Pre-workout and havent used it in a few weeks.

[max von]

Its always good to see 2 people that are taking the smae product and are having good results that shows alot about the product

max von

[wedgylx]

Shoulders and Traps
3 sets Arnold Presses - 70lbs X8, X7, X7
3 sets lateral Raises - 30lbs X8, X8
_________________- 25lbs X11
2 sets Behind the neck military - 155lbs X9, X8, X7

3 sets of BB shrugs - 295lbs X6, X6, X5

[max von]

wedlyx

looks good stats are still going up

max von

[wedgylx]

Bi's and Tri's
Standing Curls - 45lbs X6, X5, X5
Preacher Curls - 115lbs X5, X4
____________ - 110lbs X4
Cable Concentration curls - 37.5lbs X9, X8, X8

Dips - BW + 85lbs X7, X6, X6

Close Grip BP Drop Sets
__________150lbs X13, 130lbs X8, 110lbs X9
__________170lbs X10, 150lbs X7, 130lbs X6
__________200lbs X8, 180lbs X6, 160lbs X5

One arm Pushdowns - 32.5lbs X9, X8, X8

One arm DB Tri extensions - 25lbs X10, X10

[max von]

wedglyx

you weights look good and stack seems to be still looking very stong keep it up

max von

[wedgylx]

wedglyx

you weights look good and stack seems to be still looking very stong keep it up

max von

my pumps are great. My arms must have been like 18in during my sets lol

[max von]

that rocks wedglyx its great when you can look in the mirror and see those big guns huh

max von

[wedgylx]

that rocks wedglyx its great when you can look in the mirror and see those big guns huh

max von

Yeah it definitely helped me mentally....I felt huge and i think it helped toward the end of my sets when i was on my last reps.

[wedgylx]

Legs
Squats - 205lbs X12
________225lbs X10
________245lbs X9

Leg Extensions - 240lbs X12
______________260lbs X9
______________260lbs X9

Cable Lunges - 90lbs X9, X8, X7

Leg Curls - 160lbs X11
__________180lbs X9

Standing Calve extensions - 185lbs X12
______________________ - 205lbs X9, X8, X8

***the leg curl machine is different than the one I have been using lately since I am back at school. The leg extension machine is actually exactly the same, and obviously squats are the same and this is the first time in a while I have done standing calve raises - i like them better than seated raises. Also I LOVED the lunges. The first time I have used cable machine for them and I will continue to from the great burn in my hammies

Had a GREAT leg workout. I really pushed myself to the limit and somehow I've gotten GREAT strength in my legs. Pretty much all my lifts went up. I'm going for high reps for legs for now on (by "high" i mean 8-12, a change from my usual 4-6).

I'm using "veet" hair removal lately for anyone who's interested. Its a foam you spray on and it works like nair. It irritates my skin for an hour or so but i have really sensitive skin. I used it on my chest and stomache and it worked well. DO NOT PUT ON NIPPLES, haha trust me.

[max von]

Wdgelyx

good work out looks like you are really kicking some butt keep it up

max von

[wedgylx]

Chest
Flat BB bench - 245lbs X4
___________ - 235lbs X5, X4

Incline BB bench - 195lbs X5, X4, X4

Chest Press Machine - 200lbs X15
_________________ - 215lbs X12, X11

Incline DB flye - 40lbs X9, X8, X8

Had a good workout. Tried 245lbs but I wouldnt have gotten a good set out. I did 235lbs well though. Overall a great workout.

[max von]

wedglyx

235x5 and 245x4 you are the man and just think 2 weeks ago you were frustated about this now look at the progress you are making your stack is really kicking butt to

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[wedgylx]

wedglyx

235x5 and 245x4 you are the man and just think 2 weeks ago you were frustated about this now look at the progress you are making your stack is really kicking butt to

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I think I've always had it in me, just couldnt break that mental barrier. Luckily i got frustrated enough to just smash into the next weights. NExt week I'm going to own 245.

[max von]

i told you get over that mental issue and the sky is the limit look forward to hearing how much you do next good luck

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[wedgylx]

i told you get over that mental issue and the sky is the limit look forward to hearing how much you do next good luck

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Thanks bro

[max von]

anytime brother

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[wedgylx]

Back
Deadlifts - 315lbs X5, X5, X6
Lat pulldowns - 170lbs X9, X7
-------------- 160lbs X10

Cable Row Machine - 170lbs X7, X6

Low Cable Rows - 110lxs X12, X10, X10
Barbell rows - 125lbs X11, X10, X10

Had a good workout today. Got a weird second wind when doing deadlifts but I shouldnt have forced the last rep out because i broke my form. Also my weights went down because I'm now doing high reps with 3-4 seconds for the positive and negative. I want to build a wider back so im looking at this type of exercise....also it will be better on me for PCT

[italionstallionl]

I shouldnt have forced the last rep out because i broke my form.

:shock:

what happened? how bad is it?

[wedgylx]

I shouldnt have forced the last rep out because i broke my form.

:shock:

what happened? how bad is it?

I kind of used my lats and legs to get the last one out. Twinge of pain on my left erector spinae area but it went away in a minute. I'll see if it bothers me tommorow, I think I just strained it a little

[max von]

Wedglyx

good luck with it hope it is nothing to serious

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[italndiesel]

I shouldnt have forced the last rep out because i broke my form.

:shock:

what happened? how bad is it?

I kind of used my lats and legs to get the last one out. Twinge of pain on my left erector spinae area but it went away in a minute. I'll see if it bothers me tommorow, I think I just strained it a little

stiff legged deadlifts then i assume - nice weight wedg

[wedgylx]

stiff legged deadlifts then i assume - nice weight wedg

Straight legged actually, but thanks**

Shoulders and traps
3 sets Arnold PResses - 70lbs X9, X8, X7
3 sets lateral raises - 30lbs X10, X9, X9
3 sets cable rear delts - 25lbs X10, X10, X8

3 sets upright cable rows - 62.5lbs X10, X10, X9

pretty good day, nice progress. I'm sticking at 70lbs for arnolds because too much weight can cause problems with rotator cuff so I want to get my reps higher without really adding lbs.

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Wedglyx

weights look good nice steady progress keep working

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[Pizzaman]

Wedgylx,
Someone maybe able to help me with the name of the type of bar but have you ever used the Diamond shaped one where you stand inthe center. You don't have to go heavier that 315 and it will wreck your hambs and glutes. Since your hands are pulling straight up the outsides of your legs it is easier to stay super strict on your form. If you don't have one of those you can use dumbells but I don't like them as much.

[wedgylx]

Wedgylx,
Someone maybe able to help me with the name of the type of bar but have you ever used the Diamond shaped one where you stand inthe center. You don't have to go heavier that 315 and it will wreck your hambs and glutes. Since your hands are pulling straight up the outsides of your legs it is easier to stay super strict on your form. If you don't have one of those you can use dumbells but I don't like them as much.

Im sorry, i dont know why I put "stiff legged" i do mine "straight legged". I use it for my erector spinae muscle group as well as traps and slightly lats. For that reason i dont like the diamond shaped bar

[wedgylx]

Bis and Tris
Standing Curls - 50lbs X4, X4
----------------- - 45lbs X6

Standing EZ bar curls - 95lbs X 8
------------------------- - 105lbs X5, X4

DB Concentration Curls - 40lbs X5, X4, X4

Dips - BW + 80lbs X7, X7, X6
Skull Crushers - 125lbs X8, X8, X8

Superset of Reverse Grip Pushdown, regular pushdowns -70lbs
X9 (RvsG), X6 (RegG)
X8 (RvsG), X5 (RegG)
X8 (RvsG), X5 (RegG)

Godo workout. Bi's felt pumped, tris were strong. Im feelin it already, I'll be sore tommorow. Took a break from Close Grip Bench and Preacher Curls because I do them all to often.

[max von]

still looking good wedglyx weights and reps going up like to see that

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[wedgylx]

still looking good wedglyx weights and reps going up like to see that

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thanks bro, I was pumped to use the 50's for curls. :D

[max von]

your in the zone know buddy keep going

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[wedgylx]

Legs
Squats - 255lbs X7, X6, X6
One legged Squat - 95lbs X8, X8
Leg Extensions - 260 X10, X10
Leg Curls - 180lbs X8, X7
Lunges - 65lbs X8
________75lbs X6
Seated Calf Extensions - 115lbs X12
_____________________125lbs X11
_____________________135lbs X10, X10

really good workout today, most of my lifts went up. Feeling good! I didnt even take my NOXPlode today (I did take 3 caps Instone Leanfire)

[italionstallionl]

how do you like the leanfire compared to the noxplode

[max von]

Italion that is a good question my friend takes lean fire and he claims it gives him great energy levels close to the old ECY that were out there

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[Pizzaman]

I thought it was decent certainly not ECY. I personally didn't see that much AMP from the Lean fire, but everyone is different. Also depends on what you've eaten, etc. ciao

[max von]

pizzaman

thanks so you dont think its anybetter than some of the other cheaper products that are out there

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[Pizzaman]

Sorry, I guess I like the NoXplode better for amp but as I have mentioned I like Tyrosene and Caffeine. :lol: ciao

and before you tell me Lean Fire has L-Tyrosene and caffeine. I know it does but 650 mg per 3 caps isn't enough. Most studies showed effective muscle output improvements with 2 and 3 grams.

So I would say yes on there are cheaper ones that are more effective for amp pre work out.

I still think its decent for speeding metabolism, though.

[max von]

thanks pizzaman

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[wedgylx]

how do you like the leanfire compared to the noxplode

NOXplode is better, way better lol. the Leanfire made my heartbeat skyrocket but didnt make me feel energized at all. Just made me think like I was gonna have a heart attack.

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Wedglyx

thats kinda how my friend said it affected him thats not good

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[Pizzaman]

Tell you what I'm about to step out the door to catch a work out. I've been taking 4 caps of Vaso Pump (which I love) and 2 servings of NoXplode with 24 oz of water. Drink about half on my way with the Vaso Pump then finish the NOXplode in the first part of my work out. Tonight I will take 3 caps of Lean fire right now with my Vaso Pump and give ya' all the feed back. coolio

[italionstallionl]

sounds good to me, looking forward to the results

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pizzaman

thanks man i will look forward to reading it

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[Pizzaman]

Good work out. No heart attack (Luckily) or real AMP. Got a good pump did bi's and chest but I usually do with Vaso Pump. Felt strong may have been the Lean Fire or that I was under the gun with you guys to give feed back. All in all status quo. Get better rush from NoXplode but Lean Fire is not with out it's merit. I do feel a little wired like I won't be sleeping any time soon so hope there is some good TV on. ciao

[max von]

Thanks for trying that out for us pizzaman sounds like pretty good stuff.

on a side note this thread is 7 pages long and not a single negative post plus there is another on going with similar results. Steve you have got one heck of a stack here

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[wedgylx]

theres the end of my cycle :(

I'll make a PCT thread to tell everyone my results from SNS CE2, CVM extreme and LG Dermasize for PCT.

I'll also post before/after pictures. I'll take them tonight and post them tommorow. Thanks for the kind words everybody!

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Wedglyx

good job thread was excellent will look forward to final post

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[Pizzaman]

I may not speak for everyone but I for one look forward to hearing your final prognosis. ciao

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

good job thread was excellent will look forward to final post

max von

Tommorow I'll post up the pics. They look good, I just need to set them side by side

[wedgylx]

I may not speak for everyone but I for one look forward to hearing your final prognosis. ciao

What do you mean pizzaman

[Pizzaman]

Prognosis maybe the wrong word. More of looking forward to your final post with your feed back and pictoral.
I've always appreciated input from real people. I've worked in the industry for over 8 years and have seen much of the ugly under belly and I weigh your input and that of others on these message boards above what I would read from a companies press department.
No offense ment, if you took it that way.

[italndiesel]

hello yea, this post is much more real world belief than some stupid 6 page ad in flex

good job!!!

[AXResources]

This is an awesome thread. Great job and I can't wait to see the pic too.

[max von]

diesel

excellent point and it goes to prove that this is the place to get the facts not the media hype

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[wedgylx]

Prognosis maybe the wrong word. More of looking forward to your final post with your feed back and pictoral.
I've always appreciated input from real people. I've worked in the industry for over 8 years and have seen much of the ugly under belly and I weigh your input and that of others on these message boards above what I would read from a companies press department.
No offense ment, if you took it that way.

No bro, I didnt take offense at all, I was just confused a little.

Thanks everybody, I'm workin on those pics now and I'll post them ASAP (by tonight the latest)

[italionstallionl]

awesome, cant wait to see 'em

[wedgylx]

my gf took my pics last night. Shitty quality! I'll post them now and take better ones later. Been bulking since October so I'm holding alot more fat than usual. That will change a while after PCT :lol:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/wedgylx/before1%20and%20after%202/backlatspread-1-30-04.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/wedgylx/before1%20and%20after%202/1-30-05-sidebichest.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/wedgylx/before1%20and%20after%202/1-30-05-backbi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/wedgylx/before1%20and%20after%202/1-30-04sidetri.jpg

[italndiesel]

big changes there bro - NICE WORK!!!!!!! looks like you did a cycle

[max von]

wedglyx

nice photos look really good like the back shot the best can really see the new definition cant wait to see your post cycle good job buddy

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[ghostwheel]

:shock:

:lol:
I am resisting the urge to comment with all my might.

[max von]

ghost

be nice on here our job is to help each other on here

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[ghostwheel]

I'm said i am resisting... 8)

[max von]

okay thanks

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[EDAWG146]

You can definetly see a gain in size. How long were you on this cycle. I didn't read the whole thing, but looking at how big you got I'd assume your strength went up pretty good.

[Pizzaman]

Not too shabby. It's obvious you have put on some more size and you can see more definition in your arms and back. After all it is winter like you said it's bulk up time. With the extra muscle you added when you get down to your beach build for spring you will be holding more muscle. Cool, thanks for the pics. ciao

[italionstallionl]

tris and back seem to have increased the most, nicely done, size was definitely put on :lol:

[max von]

wedglyx

really looking forward to seeing your photos after the pct that should be cool

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[wedgylx]

I'm said i am resisting... 8)

There really is something wrong with you isnt there? Mommy and Daddy not pay enough attention to you? Get beaten up every day in the school yard?

It must take alot to be an internet tough guy. Just remember, you're and adult and I'm a teenager and I'm still one hell of alot more mature than you.

Got the balls to post your pics on the internet pineapple boy?

I have yet to see one post here where you actually helped somebody, yet I've seen plenty of you picking fights with people. You're about as valuable to this board as a hole in the head.

[wedgylx]

You can definetly see a gain in size. How long were you on this cycle. I didn't read the whole thing, but looking at how big you got I'd assume your strength went up pretty good.

I was on cycle for 7 weeks, I got nice strength and size gains, I'm very happy and hopefull PCT will go as well as my ON cycle.

My cuts are usually very sucessful so I'm sure I wont have any trouble losing the fat i gained during my long dirty bulk (i usually wont run this long of a bulk, but I'm getting over an injury and wanted my muscle back at all costs)

[skip]

you are a teen bro? good job! your photos showing your shoulders look like a different person.

well done.

[skip]

what do guys thing of cee in bulk?

[wedgylx]

you are a teen bro? good job! your photos showing your shoulders look like a different person.

well done.

Thanks alot. Yeah, I just turned 19 on January 1st.

[max von]

wedglyx

dont worry about him just worry about the final product and you are well on your way and look good. Dont know why he wont leave you alone but try to ignore it as best as possible

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[wedgylx]

Final Summary:

-I respond VERY well to 1-T/4-AD, I know alot of people who only gaines 10 on thier cycle and I gained 20.
-CVM extreme and CE2 by Serious Nutrition Solutions were a great kick in the fanny to maximize my gains.
-I'm pissing like crazy today I think alot of my water is gettin out of my system.
-Too bad this log is done now, when ph's are unavailable because I could definitely use more 1-T and I didnt buy any before the ban.
-First week i was moody, broke out in my face and shoulders, balls shrank. By second week i was a little more irritable but nothing huge and my acne went away. Now on PCT I'm seeing my testicles return to normal

[max von]

Skip
with ph's gone i think cee would be very good for you stack it with some no product and eat baby eat but keep it clean

wedglyx

good job on the thread very positive and easy to read cant wait to read you post cyxle now keep it up Wedglyx your one of the best

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[Pizzaman]

Wedgylx, try the Vaso Pump. I've had great luck with it. It has 3 ingredients that increase Nitric Oxide (Nitros Malate, L-Citrullene and Gynastemma) plus Magnesium Malate which is a precursor to ATP. My pumps are great and energy and recover are tip top too. The Gynastemma's the cool ingredient here. It does all kinds of things besides increase Nitric Oxide including liver detoxifier, vaso relaxant (allows better blood flow and oxygenation)even supposed to help the body utylize nutrients better. Like I said I've really liked it.

[italndiesel]

hey pizza man - what are you stacking vaso pro with?

wedg, good thread bro and awesome results

[Pizzaman]

hey pizza man - what are you stacking vaso pro with?

wedg, good thread bro and awesome results

It's not Vaso Pro It's Vaso Pump. It's a Nitric Oxide product. (they have it on this site, made by Five Star) I Like it alot and have had great results on it. They just did a little write up on it in Muscle Mag in the back, page 300 something, in the new products section april issue. I'm stacking that with the NoXplode for now and either Myo Deluxe or Lean Body Breakfast for my MRP. I like the complex carb blend in them. I stowed away some PH so I will probably being doing another stack with that. I had awesome luck last time. Went from 192 to 216 in 12 weeks and kept my abs. The cool thing abouut the Vaso Pump is it has gynastemma in it wich detoxes the liver along with boosting Nitric Oxide. So I held almost no extra water. On that stack I took M1t with 4ad (by Dynamic) with the Vaso Pump. If I new how to do pics on this thing I'd show you my before and afters. I took them with my phone camera. ciao

[wedgylx]

Wedgylx, try the Vaso Pump. I've had great luck with it. It has 3 ingredients that increase Nitric Oxide (Nitros Malate, L-Citrullene and Gynastemma) plus Magnesium Malate which is a precursor to ATP. My pumps are great and energy and recover are tip top too. The Gynastemma's the cool ingredient here. It does all kinds of things besides increase Nitric Oxide including liver detoxifier, vaso relaxant (allows better blood flow and oxygenation)even supposed to help the body utylize nutrients better. Like I said I've really liked it.

not a bad price, i might give it a try

[wedgylx]

hey pizza man - what are you stacking vaso pro with?

wedg, good thread bro and awesome results

thanks bro...if ph's were still legal the thread would be much more helpful :(

[Pizzaman]

hey pizza man - what are you stacking vaso pro with?

wedg, good thread bro and awesome results

thanks bro...if ph's were still legal the thread would be much more helpful :(

Vaso Pump isn't a prohormone. You could stack it with the Forza T. Which is actually a very interesting product in itself.

[wedgylx]

hey pizza man - what are you stacking vaso pro with?

wedg, good thread bro and awesome results

thanks bro...if ph's were still legal the thread would be much more helpful :(

Vaso Pump isn't a prohormone. You could stack it with the Forza T. Which is actually a very interesting product in itself.

I know it isnt a ph. I was referring to my thread in its entirety, not the part about vaso pump

[Pizzaman]

My bad

[wedgylx]

My bad

no problem, I can see how it would have confused you :D

[Pizzaman]

I resemble that remark! :cry:

[wedgylx]

I resemble that remark! :cry:

haha, i wasnt being sarcastic sorry if it sounded like i was

[italndiesel]

I resemble that remark! :cry:

haha, i wasnt being sarcastic sorry if it sounded like i was

i hope you dont resemble words my friend, you said you were over 210 lbs lol, not stick figures...i like the sound of the vaso pump

[Pizzaman]

Italndiesel
How do you post pics on here. I'll show you my before and afters from the Vaso Pump, PH stack. No stick figures here! ciao

[wedgylx]

Italndiesel
How do you post pics on here. I'll show you my before and afters from the Vaso Pump, PH stack. No stick figures here! ciao

make a username at www.photobucket.com load all your pictures into that, then right under the picture it says "Image" and has a tag that begins and ends with "[IMG]". Copy whatever it says for image (including the [IMG] on the beginning and end) and paste it here :)

[max von]

wedglyx

thats pretty cool ill try that many be when im done with the x-factor

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[wedgylx]

wedglyx

thats pretty cool ill try that many be when im done with the x-factor

max von

that would be great max

A picture is worth 1000 words.....

you always see online threads on supplements and noone ever posts pics to back them up!

[max von]

i hear ya

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[Pizzaman]

I can't get my pictures saved to my computer Documents when I try and send them from my phone they just show up as a picture no attachment to save. So you guys don't think I'm full of shat I gotta get this done now.[/img]

[italndiesel]

i don't think your full of shit bro, i was teasing you

[max von]

wish i could help but im not much up on all that stuff

good luck


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[Pizzaman]

Let's see if this works. This is my After pic. Now remember I had it taken on a camera phone so it's pretty grainy. I didn't really expect to show it off. Also I'm a little pale (what you expect its winter here in CO) I'll get my before up as soon as I finish getting the hang of this, if this works that is. Here goes nothing. As I said before I was stacking the Vaso Pump with a PH by Dynamic (1T 4 ad) The pumps where killer. ciao
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Pizzaman1/cid_Afterstack.jpg

[max von]

pizza

photo looks great looks like all the hard work payed off cant wait to see the before good job buddy by the way what weight are you at there

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[wedgylx]

lookin cut pizzaman, keep up the good work

[Pizzaman]

Here you go. This is me at about 192 before the Vaso Pump PH stack. (Late fall) I got up to 216 in my after pic. That was about 2 1/2 or 3 months ago. I've upped my cardio and I'm back around 200lbs now. 216 was way to heavy for soccer. I was like a freight train all north and south no east and west. My best soccer weight speed wise is back around 188. It's tough my pursuit for size and strength doesn't jell with my favorite sport. Enough talk here it is. ciao
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Pizzaman1/beforepic.jpg

[wedgylx]

wow bro amazing transformation. Keep up the good work

[EDAWG146]

Bro, that looks like hardcore cycle results. Your a beast Bro, Rock on!

[Pizzaman]

Thanks bro, much appreciated.

[max von]

pizzaman

that is freakin incredible that doesnt even look like the same guy looks great really show that all you hard work payed off congrats man

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[Pizzaman]

pizzaman

that is freakin incredible that doesnt even look like the same guy looks great really show that all you hard work payed off congrats man

max von
Thanks man. (and you can tell it's me by the Tatoo on right upper chest in both pics) :D

[max von]

Pizzaman

i know i saw that and you should be really excited

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[italndiesel]

damn bro thats like before and after pics you see in muscle tech ads except yours werent doctored up....nice work!!!!!

do you have a current photo at 200 to see what you look like when you came down the 16 pounds?

[EDAWG146]

wedgylx, which item are using for pre workout? Better yet how and when are you taking this?

[wedgylx]

wedgylx, which item are using for pre workout? Better yet how and when are you taking this?

Pre workout i was taking CE2 by SNS, and NOXplode by BSN.

I was using 2 pills Ce2, and 3 scoops of NOXplode about 30 mins before i workout

[max von]

wedglyx

how long does it take for the no-xplode take to kick in

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[wedgylx]

wedglyx

how long does it take for the no-xplode take to kick in

max von

about 5-10 minutes lol. I noticed results the very first time i used it. The pumps and energy got even better through the first week. Also added nice vascularity and thickness to my c*ck, which was a suprise

[max von]

wedglyx

my wife was sitting next to me and saw that and told me to order it right away :lol:

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[wedgylx]

wedglyx

my wife was sitting next to me and saw that and told me to order it right away :lol:

max von

haha, i didnt really notice it, my girl did....said i hurt a little and felt alot bigger.

[max von]

great knows shes ordering it on the other computer right now you just made her day :lol:

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[wedgylx]

great knows shes ordering it on the other computer right now you just made her day :lol:

max von

made your day too ;)

[wedgylx]

by the way, if you're just looking for "size" and pumps, BSN nitrix would be a better buy. For pre workout energy get NOXPlode

[max von]

wedglyx

ive tried the nitrix and never had any luck the only NO that ive used that worked so far is AE2, thats why im looking forward to Steve's new product

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[Pizzaman]

Try the Vaso Pump if you want just a straight Nitric Oxide booster. (No stimulants.) It's the best straight up NO product I've ever taken. For even more wicked results I take 4 caps of Vaso Pump (1/2 hr before) with 2 serving of No Xplode. My work outs and pumps are out of this world. As far as the lead in the pencil, Vaso Pump didn't hurt that any either. try this though if you want to wreck your significant other with some major porno sex. Take 4 with the little blue pill about a half hour/ hour before you "train with the wife/Girlfriend" and she will be afraid of you for a month. I've done it twice and almost made my wife pass out both times. She made me sleep on the couch after about 3 hrs for fear I would get turned on again. But this is a PG site so I'll stop there. :shock: ciao

[max von]

pizza

i look into that one to thanks

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[EDAWG146]

I'm sold on the no xplode, Wed I thought you were using cvm and ce2. Also I'm not a fan of the NO products either. (but I like the sounds of it combined with the new creatine.)

[wedgylx]

I'm sold on the no xplode, Wed I thought you were using cvm and ce2. Also I'm not a fan of the NO products either. (but I like the sounds of it combined with the new creatine.)

yep, using the three of them.

I only use NOxplode every once in a while right now because I'm cycling off it for a few weeks but needed it today because I was dead tired

[max von]

wedglyx

from the sounds of the results that you are having and the photos that you put up thats what i will be trying next im looking forward to trying the no-xplode

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[wedgylx]

wedglyx

from the sounds of the results that you are having and the photos that you put up thats what i will be trying next im looking forward to trying the no-xplode

max von

the first week i took NOxplode, it totally blew me away. I think you'll love it.

The only downside is the flavor...worst tasting sup I've ever had

[italionstallionl]

how many scoops of no xplode did you take?

how were the pumps?

looking into my next cee product, im not sure if i should go for e2 and an no product like no xplode, or just get all in one like vns jacked or the e2 matrix (liked this product a lot, but like to switch it up, so im not going to get this again) any ideas would be great

another option i was thinking of was e2 and then buying some powder aakg. this would be the cheapest way to do it, and its always nice to save some $$

thanks for the help

[wedgylx]

how many scoops of no xplode did you take?

how were the pumps?

2.5 to 3 scoops, pumps were great usually my bi's were so swollen at the end of my workout that my hand couldnt come closer than 6-8 inches from my shoulder when i flexed

stack it with CE2 or CEE and you'll be in business bro

[italndiesel]

i think e2 matrix is a solid base product for any cycle

[italndiesel]

and im not just saying that......the materials sns uses are top notch

[EDAWG146]

I just ordered a bottle of e2 matrix today, will start it monday with 6 oxo. I will do that for a month and then do m1t 4ad and e2 matrix all together in late march. thanks to everyone for there input. I've decided against no xplode for now. I like how Steve (Sns) shows his face here. "He's in it to win it", so i'm sticking with him. PEACE!

[Pizzaman]

I just ordered a bottle of e2 matrix today, will start it monday with 6 oxo. I will do that for a month and then do m1t 4ad and e2 matrix all together in late march. thanks to everyone for there input. I've decided against no xplode for now. I like how Steve (Sns) shows his face here. "He's in it to win it", so i'm sticking with him. PEACE!
When did Steve show his face?
I guess no one liked my results with Vaso Pump, pease out.

[wedgylx]

I just ordered a bottle of e2 matrix today, will start it monday with 6 oxo. I will do that for a month and then do m1t 4ad and e2 matrix all together in late march. thanks to everyone for there input. I've decided against no xplode for now. I like how Steve (Sns) shows his face here. "He's in it to win it", so i'm sticking with him. PEACE!

Good luck with it bro, bump to the SNS creatines, they've treated me VERY well.

Pizzaman, I might be giving vasopump a try eventually combined with some type of creatine (maybe e2 matrix)

[Pizzaman]

damn bro thats like before and after pics you see in muscle tech ads except yours werent doctored up....nice work!!!!!

do you have a current photo at 200 to see what you look like when you came down the 16 pounds?

I haven't taken one. I have definately lost some of the hardness now with out the PH but my pumps and energy are still going strong. I'll take another pic when I get my camera phone working again. My daughter messed with it and I can't seem to get it off night setting which makes everything look like I took it at night. FYI don't use night setting it sucks. ciao

[italionstallionl]

FYI don't use night setting it sucks. ciao

it seems to be alright if you want to use it for film, at least i thought so watching paris hilton :shock:

[Pizzaman]

FYI don't use night setting it sucks. ciao

it seems to be alright if you want to use it for film, at least i thought so watching paris hilton :shock:

True True. :D but I don't remember what her definition looked like in those and my pic won't be an action photo.

[italionstallionl]

True True. :D but I don't remember what her definition looked like in those and my pic won't be an action photo.

im happy about that, no offense pizzaman, but i dont want to see you in an "action" photo :o

[Pizzaman]

I don't think I want to see me in an action photo.
So I'll keep the pic tame like the last two. coolio?

[italionstallionl]

sounds good to me!!!

[max von]

Wedglyx

taste pretty bad on the no-xplode huh well just have to choke it down wont be the first supp to do that with

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

taste pretty bad on the no-xplode huh well just have to choke it down wont be the first supp to do that with

max von

I like to make it really dilute and drink it that way....kills the taste a little.

[max von]

Wedglyx

thats a good idea

max von