Nootropics

[wedgylx]

What are your opinions on these supplements? Think they actually work? Anyone have experience with them? Obviously as a student if these actually work they'd prove to be invaluable.

[dinoiii]

While doing my Basic Science pgm, I used Biotest's Power Drive pretty regularly if I had a marathon session to sit for. I found it allowed me to sit there and look at books for extensive periods without feeling like I had ADHD.


I have just purchased Syntrax's Cerebro from Chris and am awaiting its arrival. It is only the second nootropic I am going to try, yet will keep you posted. I think this is the appropriate compliment (not replacement) to what may have been left out of Power Drive. I believe that Syntrax discontinued this item though and think that once Chris is through his stock, it will likely not be resupplied unfortunately - this is due to company problems not product issues.

I have tried them pre-workout and am not convinced of their use for that purpose however. I would much rather a dicreatine pdt. or something.

[dinoiii]

Got the Cerebro today!

Going to give a go with the Cerebro + Power Drive together this time and see what effects I get. I will post results.



Cerebro is probably limited in quantity, but available at DA.

[SNS8778]

We will have a nootropic available soon. I think that everyone will be pleased with the ingredients, which we of course will not give out at this point. :P

[wedgylx]

We will have a nootropic available soon. I think that everyone will be pleased with the ingredients, which we of course will not give out at this point. :P

i was pretty sure you had one coming out, but i didnt want to ruin the suprise 8)

[italionstallionl]

will someone explain what nootropics are? thanks

[SNS8778]

The term nootropic encompasses a broad range of uses which include: improving the mind muscle connection, mental focus, clarity, and concentration, as well as anti-stress and anti-anxiety properties.

Keep in mind though that the ones available are all vastly different with some being really beneficial and some being virtually useless. Be careful in your selection because some use propietary blends that are mostly filler, and in reference to some ingredients the standardizations (meaning active ingredient potencies) can vary dramatically.

Also, not every product is beneficial for every use as I defined under the term of nootropics.

In reference to our product coming out, I am extremely confident in the formulation and I think that people will be extremely surprised how well it will work in comparison with what they are accustomed to in this category of a product.

[AXResources]

Check out our MYO PheniTropin. The reviews on it are GREAT!!! I also have some other Nootropics coming out.

[max von]

Steve
so is this kinda like a supplement that helps put you in the zone and get pumped to lift

[wedgylx]

Steve
so is this kinda like a supplement that helps put you in the zone and get pumped to lift

Sort of. The man reason I'm interested is that I'm a student, and anythign that might help my grades is worth a shot.

[dinoiii]

Leonard -


I agree and disagree. I told you in some other thread at how intrigued I was with the formula, however, I do NOT believe GABAergic items should be given prior to the workout. This is not to say I do not believe it doesn't have its place in a bodybuilder's supplement regime. In fact, I think it may be a decent complement to something like Liquid Relaxation especially with the L-theanine which I too would question pre-workout.

I have read the info on clinical dosing which also is hard to translate from the Russian literature where Phenibut has been used since pre-1960's (at least the stuff which is clinically documented). One thing I am convinced of...you would likely need about 1500mg-2000mg to translate into what effects were seen in clinical trials. And I am aware people have seen results as low as 200mg, but this is more the rarity than the norm.

They do not have a good handle it would seem on the LD50 which is yet one additional struggle and WOW - anyone planning on taking this with ANY OTHER substance INCLUDING OTHER SUPPLEMENTS, BE CAREFUL OF INTERACTIONS....THERE ARE DOZENS OF THEM.

[dinoiii]

The prior post was not to say I am not anxiously awaiting both SNS and Myochem's upcoming releases, however.

[AXResources]

Actually, I was just saying to look at the Phenitropin as a Nootropic, but I agree with you to not use it before the gym. That is what Throttle 1400X is for. People are reporting massive focus on it. I would use the Phenitropin as either a stress reliever, or to keep focus when doing school work. It is awesome for that.

[SNS8778]

Steve
so is this kinda like a supplement that helps put you in the zone and get pumped to lift

Nootropics cover a broad range. Each product is its own individual and does not do all things as covered by the term nootropic. Most products may help in one aspect and not in another.

Important Point that I am sure Dinoii will agree with. When selecting a nootropic, one had better know what they are looking for, and hence, when a company is designing a nootropic, the person putting the formula togehter had better know what they are doing because many of the ingredients used in this category can interact with each other in negative ways. Some ingredientts in the nootropic family can be addictive, some have a bell curve type of respeonse where a specific dose is needed and actually increasing a dose can be detrimental to results, etc.

Another important point is what I call the 'little bit of everything, but not enough of anything' scenario, where a company will throw everything under the sun into a formula so the consumer thinks they are getting this great product, but in turn there is not enough of any individual ingredient for the product to effectively work.

Yet another important point is that some of the ingredients used in these formulas can have dramatically different standardization ratios. Let's say for example that you need 1500 mg. of ingredient A per day for it to be effective. Just because a label says 1500 mg. per day does not mean it is 1500 mg of active ingredient. The standardization could be 50%, 75%, or in the case of some companies, pathetically low.

Now, a really IMPORTANT ISSUE:
A nootropic product should not be made by just throwing random ingredients together in hopes that they will have an effect. Some ingredients in the nootropic family have a synergystic effect meaning that they help each other work better. Some also have a contradictory effect. Also, you have cases where if you want ingredients that if you want them to work in a specific way, you need to have them in proper ratios.

Moral of the story - nootropics are gaining publicity but too many companies are rushing to put something out in this category. They can be a great aid to many individuals or they can be a complete waste of money, depending on the product. In some cases, I see ingredients combined together in ways that should never be combined. This is not the type of product that you just want to throw together.

A note on our formula:
- Hopefully it will be available in 4 to 6 weeks. We have had a tremendous amount of interest in this product. The name of the product will be Focus XT.
- This is a formula that I take tremendous pride in because it should outperform any on the market today and it will help so many different people, not just from the bodybuilding community, but from all walks of life, whether they be teachers, students, police, military, or just the person that has a job where tremendous focus is required.
- It takes a lot for me to get excited about a product, but helping people is my passion and this product truly excites me.

[wedgylx]

I'll try it out when it hits the scene.

[italionstallionl]

other than Phenitropin anyone have any school related nootropic recommendations

[max von]

thanks steve i appreciate the answer sound like there is alot that goes into that product and may be something that at this point in time is not for me but will look into it later thanks

max von

[dinoiii]

I actually recommended one earlier in the thread that I feel helped me through medical school Stallion. I probably would have liked to include Cerebro from Syntrax as well at the time, though it wasn't released yet. I think if interested in this product, Syntrax may not be producing it anymore, though DA has some in stock. I just got some actually.

[italionstallionl]

thanks, ill check out cerebro

(i feel like i should be in the movie x-men)

[wedgylx]

thanks, ill check out cerebro

(i feel like i should be in the movie x-men)

haha. I might try some cerebro too, or the myochem brand.

[dinoiii]

How bout Cerebro + Phenitropin stack? The compounds are different.

I just think Phenitropin has more of putting me to sleep kind of effect vs. something I may want before sitting down to a study session when I would likely what to stay up. Phenibut + L-theanine (which is really best known as a sleep aid).

By pure ingredients alone, I would actually put in the class with Liquid Relaxation + Knock Out.

[max von]

Dinoiii
does it have that groggy ness feeling in the morning that you get from dome other medicanes that help you sleep

max von

[dinoiii]

I lost which supplement we were talking about Max?

I have yet to Phenitropin...but am not sure if you meant Phenibut in general or L-theanine which I have experience with both and can say the Phenibut may if you take it in the higher levels (i.e. - >800mg), which actually proves to be more of an effective dose with what many report.

With Cerebro, I am waiting until I get back in the clinic on Jan 31st. I have taken this week and next off to make my move to Baltimore MD as many also are aware whom have been keeping in contact via emails and IM. At that time, I plan on stacking Cerebro + Power Drive (Biotest) for long sessions at a time and then using Liquid Relax. test for sleep. Hmmmm, I am starting to feel like an addict.

[max von]

sorry about that Dinoiii should have been more clear i was refering to phenitropin

max von

[SNS8778]

Just wanted to provide update that we are having taste samples done on ours this week, and from that point it should be available in less than 4 weeks. It will be a very well rounded formula for a variety of purposes.

Let me know you guys thoughts on Pink Lemonade flavor......

[dinoiii]

Pink Lemonade gets the thumbs up on my end Steve. Looking more forward to the formulation though.




As a matter of fact, provided it doesn't have the coveted "dirty ass" flavor I have compared other products to - it all comes down to the formula.

[dinoiii]

btw: I never commented on your earlier post Steve, but yeah I also second your "little bit of everything" + "different compounds interacting" comments.

[SNS8778]

Dinoii

We will not release the product until the flavor is good. We cannot afford to as this is being marketed not only as a bodybuilding supplement, but as a general health supplement as well. Therefore, taste is a much bigger issue.

And yeah, in my earliir post, the nootropic family of products is one that I am touchy about because these products can help such a broad range of people under certain conditions. I hate to see many formulas coming out that have ingredients mixed in them that should never be taken together or some products containing minute amounts of active ingredients just so they can list more things in their formula. Glad to know that you seconded my feelings there.

That said, I still want to hear more input on what everyone thinks of a pink lemonade flavor..........

[max von]

Steve

if the taste is good there is nothing better that a nice glass of pink lemonade. I like the flavor

max von

[dinoiii]

I just wanted to add -

As I have tried other nootropics that mix in a liquid form vs. pill - one important thing to me is the avoidance of "clumping."


Does Focus XT pass that test?

[wedgylx]

Dinoii

We will not release the product until the flavor is good. We cannot afford to as this is being marketed not only as a bodybuilding supplement, but as a general health supplement as well. Therefore, taste is a much bigger issue.

And yeah, in my earliir post, the nootropic family of products is one that I am touchy about because these products can help such a broad range of people under certain conditions. I hate to see many formulas coming out that have ingredients mixed in them that should never be taken together or some products containing minute amounts of active ingredients just so they can list more things in their formula. Glad to know that you seconded my feelings there.

That said, I still want to hear more input on what everyone thinks of a pink lemonade flavor..........

Pink Lemonade sounds like a good flavor, I'm excited to try this stuff, mke sure to let me know when i can grab it.

[italionstallionl]

what will this nootropic be aimed at? kind of like the focus/help studying type? and pink lemonade is delicious

[SNS8778]

Improving the mind-muscle connection, mental clarity,focusand concentration, as well as aiding in stress and anxiety relief. If may also have some anti-depressant type properties.

[italionstallionl]

wow, sounds like one i would definitely condider, im looking forward to it

[max von]

Steve give us the heads up when its ready ive got quite the list of products here between you rodney and leonard. Christmas in january

max von

[dinoiii]

Now that I see Biotest Power Drive up.


While I was in medical school, this was my product of choice. Entering a new residency site...I am going to stack


Biotest Power Drive + Syntrax Cerebro for long nights and such on the wards.


THIS IS MY CURRENT STACK OF CHOICE IN THIS DEPARTMENT!!!

[wedgylx]

Biotest Power Drive + Syntrax Cerebro for long nights and such on the wards.


THIS IS MY CURRENT STACK OF CHOICE IN THIS DEPARTMENT!!!

Sounds good bro, I'm going to give this stuff a try until Steve's product gets out

[dinoiii]

Let us know how it works out for you.

[wedgylx]

Let us know how it works out for you.

I'm going to order within 2 weeks i beleive...Got hit hard for books $600. Friggen Science books!

[italionstallionl]

i just picked up a couple samples of neurostim, any ideas about this stuff?

[italionstallionl]

just tried one of my 2 samples of neurostim, i had an exam today and stayed up until 230 studying-it was at 9, i woke up at 730. i took it as directed, 10 to 20 min before you want it to take affect, and guess what. there was no effect. i felt absolutely nothing, maybe you have to be taking it for a while before you can feel it, but i sure didnt feel anytihng at all

[max von]

well that kinda suck especially with exams

max von

[dinoiii]

Gonna have to say it again I think

Biotest Power Drive + Syntrax Cerebro (both sold here)


I started the combo Monday with over 800 new patients....have worked 68 hours and it is absolutely an amazing combination!!!

I take 3 pills Cerebro and 2 doses Power Drive. The cerebro is taken with meals - the Power Drive IN BETWEEN MEALS (i.e. - as empty as my stomach ever gets)!!!

Again, likely a little placebo - if not all, but ya know how hard it is to see 15-20 new patients a day and monitor care in a hospital on a 19-20 hours day (oh yeah why I have not been posting much lately!)

[max von]

keep it up dinoiii try not to kill yourself to much with work

max von

[wedgylx]

i havent had the money to order those yet....I'm going to soon though!

[dinoiii]

Tomorrow I am on Short Call to allow some relaxation max. Thanks for the concern.



Hope it works well for you wedg. As I said, I have not met a product that compares to PD - really....This is the first time I have used a supplement not as monotherapy first (i.e. - Cerebro with PD instead of just cerebro which I had never used before this point). This is how much I like PD. btw: for those wondering why I use it after Warren's post - well I have 2 cases of it in my closet - again how much I believe in this product.

[italionstallionl]

i dug this thread up to add a little to it

today i had a bio exam. prior to the exam i whipped up a little nootropic-stallion style. it worked well, gave me good focus and boosted my energy it consisted of

neurostim
2 big cups of coffee
half serving of xpand
2.5 g of ALCAR
2.5 additional g of taurine
250 mg of ginkgo biloba

i only recommend doing this if you have a big blatter because ther are 4 separate drinks (nerostim, coffee, xpand, combination of bulk powders) in addition to this i had my protein shake which added more liquid. about half way through the exam i had to pee so freaking bad i was about to go insane. i dont know why, but the urge to urinate subsided a few minutes later and i was able to finish my exam with only the thought of peeing in the back of my mind

[italionstallionl]

btw, i looked through this thread again and tried to find biotest's nootropic, but was unsuccessful. i did see cerebro, but would this be the best nootropic to aid in studying?

[wedgylx]

I've been broke lately so havent bought anything new, I'm going to get something though

[max von]

Wedglyx

what kinda thinks are you looking at my budgets kinda tight with us going to the arnold so i here ya

max von

[wedgylx]

Wedglyx

what kinda thinks are you looking at my budgets kinda tight with us going to the arnold so i here ya

max von

i want t try some type of nootropic. I'll get it eventually though

[italionstallionl]

yeah, im gonna get one, but dont really know much about them. cerebro was discussed as i said, but are there any other good ones to use for focusing and study aid?