x factor

[max von]

I have always been a big fan of Bill's company molecular nutrition as i have done several of there ph stacks from there. I spoke to catherine moe there and she is high on x-factor has anyone tried it and is so what were your results

max von

[italionstallionl]

never heard of it, but am interested and willing to give anything a try, so if anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated

[italionstallionl]

let me revise my post, im willing to try anything that is safe, maybe thats why i have only ever taken protein carbs and creatine

[max von]

thanks dinoiii

they push that one pretty hard but never could quite understand how it exactly worked glad i did not waste my money on that i sure hope he comes out with something new cause i like the company

max von

[dinoiii]

Yes Max, I too think Molecular and Bill are far ahead of the game. I know there are many the jealous company out there for them though. Cannot wait for Anabolics 2005.

[max von]

dinoiii
have you got your copy of 2005 yet i see they just added it to there site. I call them and Catherine said bill is working on some new stuff but i hope he does not wait to long cause he sure had a lot of momentum and would hate to see him lose it cause of a long delay

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[dinoiii]

Hey Max,

I still see it as "preorder"

I have been watching closely. I love to hear Bill's take on things. Even if you never choose to use - his insight is ahead of the times. He is a great mind and I don't even fault him for the occasional error (i.e.- X factor).

I have read some of his underground stuff that blows my mind.

Still looking forward to this book.

[max von]

dinoiii

im sorry i guess your right it is still waiting to be sold. I just hope he gets some new stuff out soon

max von

[dinoiii]

Anyone know the status of Molecular Nutrition?
I am aware of many comanies' woes. I have not heard much from their camp though post- X Factor + Thermics (which I believe were both flops).

I think Bill is more a PH/Anabolic man and perhaps that's the problem.

[max von]

I think that is there problem too i think that they are a little lost right now at this time cause they were a little behind. I mean he used to respond to my emails that i sent him but now he doesnt do that anymore hope this isnt a bad sign

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[w_llewellyn]

I just want to go on the record saying that X-Factor not only works, but works better than any non-sterodial supplement this industry has ever seen! The feedback continues to impress me, so much so, that we have decided to put 100% of our supplement advertising budget behind X-Factor in 2005. This IS the next breakthrough product, prob THE product. In time everyone will understand it.

I personally feel the discovery of the anabolic AA loading process is my greatest achievement to date. AA is what weightlifting is all about.

AA is the nutrient you damage your muscle in an effort to release. It controlls inflammation, which is THE link between mechanical activity and muscle growth.

AA liberation regulates androgen receptor denisty, vasodilation and general protein syntesis rates.

When you train regularly, the depletion of AA in skeletal muscle is the reason why you can't get as sore anymore.

When you take time off and go back to the gym, restored AA levels are part of the reason you make fast progress again.

The risks assocaited with AA are less than those of PH's, and the product is better in terms of muscle-retention because there is no post-cycle crash.

If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to answer.

[w_llewellyn]

If your EFA (linoleic / linolenic) tallies are appropriate through your diet, supplementing with AA is NOT necessary. This would go down in my book as a pure hype supplement. This is not to undermine a good company and the idea is ok, but everything has not been taken into consideration. Save your money for other avenues of supplementation.

Linolenic acid is not sufficient to significantly raise phospholipid stores of AA. Only actual AA is going to do this, because the body reacts to higher levels of LA with slower conversion to AA.

Your body will keep NORMAL levels of AA fine with it. But you cannot load AA with it, nor get the same short term rapid anabolic effect that AA loading brings.

[max von]

Bill im so glad that you joined on here aas i have wrote i am a big fan of your and your company. Ive looked at x factor and talked to Catherine numerous time but i just cant quite take the bite yet i know i should cause all your other products kick but but could you tell me why is it that everyone seems so down on this product and in layman terms what things would we likley see as results

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[w_llewellyn]

Bill im so glad that you joined on here aas i have wrote i am a big fan of your and your company. Ive looked at x factor and talked to Catherine numerous time but i just cant quite take the bite yet i know i should cause all your other products kick but but could you tell me why is it that everyone seems so down on this product and in layman terms what things would we likley see as results

max von

Max,

I can definitely appreciate your caution when it comes to buying a new supplement. There are "breakthroughs" all the time in our industry, and rarely they add up to little more than a fleeting fad. I've been following the industry for over 15 years now, and have seen it all come and go. You can count on your fingers those supplements that actually stood the test of time. As you have noticed, Molecular has not chased after every supplement fad to come by the past 3 years, because making money on fad products is not what we're all about. X-Factor is not a fad. I stand behind both the science and real-world results from this product.

I am disappointed in many of my competitors, and how they handled the news of X-Factor coming out, especially given that I am the first person to give other products a fair shake. But I have come to understand something in trying to look at it from their perspective. X-Factor is a patented anabolic. As a matter of survival, this product is a threat to other companies. They know that if it works as I have been saying it does, it would be the first thing since creatine to deliver on the "non-steroidal anabolic" promise. And unlike creatine, which everyone is free to sell, this invention is protected by a solid patent (I was just recently notified of its acceptance, in fact). And don't let me remind everyone how much creatine is water vs how muscle muscle. X-Factor is the first solid tissue building supplement to hit the market (barring steroidals, of course), and they simply can't want it to work, because it will only take money out of their pockets. I don't necessarily blame them for it, but this is not how I prefer to do business myself.

At this point all the academic arguments about why arachidonic shoudln't do this or that are fun, but fairly moot. If you follow the real feedback on some of the other boards, you will see some remarkable results. Even the "trial" my competitors ran showed extremely positive results. I wound up publishing the final evaluations, while they quietly let their threads die. All the negative comments, competitor or consumer, seem to come from people who have never tried it, but have decided by reading about it that it "can't work".

What should you expect? Very consistently I see 1-2lbs of lean muscle per week, considerable strength gain, notable fat loss. So over a 7 week cycle you'd prob gain about 7-10 lbs on the scale, lose several in body fat, and go up very notable on all your major lifts. You should be SORE following your workouts, as if you just started lifting again or spent twice the time in the gym. You will need to eat more protein to keep up with the heightneed protein synthesis rates, and should stay away from anti-inflammatory drugs or high omega 3's, to get the most from it.

One of the neatest things, is when you go off, about a week later it should feel like someone turned off the anabolic switch. You will go back to making your normal (slower) pre-treated progress, but I have yet to hear a single person tell me they crashed post-cycle. Retention is very high.

In regards to safety, I could get into all the studies showing no negatives in BP, HDL/LDL chol. trigylcerides, immune function etc. But it is easier to sum it up in this way: AA is a pro-inflammatory supplement. It is going to be a negative thing to take if you have a pre-exhisting condition that would be aggrivated by more inflammation in the body. Say you are already at serious risk of heart attack or stroke. AA loading could increase platlette aggregation and increase the risk of serious event. This person should not be taking X-Factor anymore than they should be taking PH's. But if you are healthy, the termporary pro-inflammatory effect is not going to impart long-term detrimental changes to your body. This is unlike androgens, which even when used as a healthy athlete can slowly increase cholesterol deposits in arteries due to the effects on HDL and LDL. AA loading in doses higher than we suggest has been shown in several studies to have no short term accute effects at all.

And for all those who are just scared of the word arachidonic acid, know this ingredient is now popular in infant formulas (it is the new "ARA" you see advertised on TV) due to its benificial effect on infant growth. Arachidonic acid is far from dangerous if you are healthy to begin with.

[Founder]

Bill,
Thank you for chiming in. Who better to answer this post than you? Glad to have you on the board.

[max von]

Bill what can i say i asked you to help me take the bite and you did i am sold on it now and trust what you are telling me thanks for the quick response how long of an off period do you take after you cycled it and did you say 7 week cycles them time off right

thanks alot

max von

[w_llewellyn]

Bill what can i say i asked you to help me take the bite and you did i am sold on it now and trust what you are telling me thanks for the quick response how long of an off period do you take after you cycled it and did you say 7 week cycles them time off right

thanks alot

max von

Treat it just like a PH, and go with equal time off at least. This will keep the supplement working well, and will give your body plenty of time to get back to normal levels of AA for a while..

Best of luck! Please keep us informed of your progress.

[w_llewellyn]

Who better to answer this post than you?

Well, you could have Tyra Banks or something. She'd probably go over a LOT better!

[dinoiii]

I am preparing retort for this in a word document to be ready later today/tonight barring time commitment.

[w_llewellyn]

I am preparing retort for this in a word document to be ready later today/tonight barring time commitment.

I welcome your retort dinoiii, as I am happy to engage in intelligent conversation, and you do seem to have the brains to understand the complex systems we are talking about. Before you go nuts continuing to insist that the product doesn't work though, I would suggest perhaps you actually try the supplement. I think that will change your mind a lot more effectively than the two of us debating academic points for the next several days. If you are honestly open minded, you will use it and see that it actually does work, very well at that. If I'm wrong, well, you will be in a much better position to argue against it than you are right now, clearly never having used X-Factor in the first place.

I want everyone to understand something. X-Factor has been out for a while now, and I obviously know whether or not this supplement actually works. It has been too long for me not to. I am continuing to stand behind it 100%, so one of only two things can be going on.

1) I know it doesn't work and I feel like ripping everyone off anyway.

2) It does work, and all the armchair predictions to the contrary are wrong.

I would say look at my track record and judge, but I won't. I will leave it at that for now. Eventrually, the answer will be obvious to even the hardest of critics, and you know which outcome I'm betting my money on.

[SNS8778]

Bill:

Just wanted to welcome you to the board. I respect your knowledge tremendously and also respect the way that you manage to handle yourself respectfully in light of the negativity thrown your way much of the time.

- Steve

[w_llewellyn]

Bill:

Just wanted to welcome you to the board. I respect your knowledge tremendously and also respect the way that you manage to handle yourself respectfully in light of the negativity thrown your way much of the time.

- Steve

I try, but it isn't always easy to stay level headed.. Thank you BTW. I'm using a bottle of your M4OHN right now, and it is working very well for me.. My abs are starting to show again after all this holiday overeating.

I am stacking with X-Factor, of course. ;)

[SNS8778]

Bill:

Just wanted to welcome you to the board. I respect your knowledge tremendously and also respect the way that you manage to handle yourself respectfully in light of the negativity thrown your way much of the time.

- Steve

I try, but it isn't always easy to stay level headed.. Thank you BTW. I'm using a bottle of your M4OHN right now, and it is working very well for me.. My abs are starting to show again after all this holiday overeating.

I am stacking with X-Factor, of course. ;)

I agree that it is hard. The amount of disrespect shown by some individuals in our industry is incredible. I can think of no other industry where company owners personally attack each other like this one. That's one thing I like about this board is that I know it will not be allowed to happen here.

Glad to hear that MOHN is working well for you. I have told several people that X Factor is one of the main products that are on my want to try list. I intended on trying it long ago, but in efforts to keep jumping on and testing out our products that we were making, just never had a chance to.

We have alot of consumers that are doing Methyl 1-Test and 4-AD XT for two weeks, then 4-AD XT for two weeks, then repeating the first two weeks followed by 4 weeks off before going to MOHN XT and Methyl-BOL or Methyl-1-Dien. During the 4 week off cycle, I am recomending that they use our Creatine E2 Matrix or CVM Xtreme product. We also have a new ingredient that will be coming out in the nitric oxide category for them to stack with it. My question to you is do you feel like X Factor would be a good item for them to stack with our Creatine E2 Matrix and N.O. type product during their off cycle?

[Founder]

Who better to answer this post than you?

Well, you could have Tyra Banks or something. She'd probably go over a LOT better!

Bill, I don't do will with sassy models. Carmen Electra...I might listen.

[max von]

Bill
I have to agree with you on the real world application and I am a trusted customer of your and will always be. It is easy to cut down a product based on possible book knowledge but until you try it out for sure you really cant argue the point. I will admitt i was skeptical at first but i trust you and catherine. I look at it as in any buisness the building may work on paper but until you put all the pieces together you dont know if it will work. Keep up pushing and dont let your critics get you down, that goes for you Steve and Leonard the big guys are scared of you cause you are beating them to the punch

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[w_llewellyn]

Bill:

Just wanted to welcome you to the board. I respect your knowledge tremendously and also respect the way that you manage to handle yourself respectfully in light of the negativity thrown your way much of the time.

- Steve

I try, but it isn't always easy to stay level headed.. Thank you BTW. I'm using a bottle of your M4OHN right now, and it is working very well for me.. My abs are starting to show again after all this holiday overeating.

I am stacking with X-Factor, of course. ;)

I agree that it is hard. The amount of disrespect shown by some individuals in our industry is incredible. I can think of no other industry where company owners personally attack each other like this one. That's one thing I like about this board is that I know it will not be allowed to happen here.

Glad to hear that MOHN is working well for you. I have told several people that X Factor is one of the main products that are on my want to try list. I intended on trying it long ago, but in efforts to keep jumping on and testing out our products that we were making, just never had a chance to.

We have alot of consumers that are doing Methyl 1-Test and 4-AD XT for two weeks, then 4-AD XT for two weeks, then repeating the first two weeks followed by 4 weeks off before going to MOHN XT and Methyl-BOL or Methyl-1-Dien. During the 4 week off cycle, I am recomending that they use our Creatine E2 Matrix or CVM Xtreme product. We also have a new ingredient that will be coming out in the nitric oxide category for them to stack with it. My question to you is do you feel like X Factor would be a good item for them to stack with our Creatine E2 Matrix and N.O. type product during their off cycle?

I would say yes and no to this..

On the minus side, the post-cycle (low androgen) window is not the optimal time to reap the anabolic benefits of AA. I'd also prefer to see it used for a longer stretch, as it does seem to take a week or so to really load into the body.

That said, I've had very good reports when used post-cycle. I'd say it will probably work, just don't judge it 100% by that particular application. Judge it more when it is used alone and during times of normal physiology.

If you want a sample cycle I'd be happy to send you one as an industry courtesy (I'll ask for something in return at some point, don't worry). Just PM me your address.

Apologies for the delayed response. Been trying to keep my cool on one of the other boards again..

[w_llewellyn]

Bill
I have to agree with you on the real world application and I am a trusted customer of your and will always be. It is easy to cut down a product based on possible book knowledge but until you try it out for sure you really cant argue the point. I will admitt i was skeptical at first but i trust you and catherine. I look at it as in any buisness the building may work on paper but until you put all the pieces together you dont know if it will work. Keep up pushing and dont let your critics get you down, that goes for you Steve and Leonard the big guys are scared of you cause you are beating them to the punch

max von

Appreciate it.. I do wish you the best of luck on your cycle. If you have any questions, comments, concerns at all I would like to hear them. Don't hesitate to call in or drop me a message.

[max von]

Bill
just keep your cool they just cant handle you and your knowledge, i will be call you in reference to x-factor real soon as i am almost done with the product i am using know but i do want to talk with you or Catherine personally

thanks Bill

max von

[20ozguinness]

Bill
just keep your cool

He's right man, keep your cool. I have been following that thread on *******. Pat Arnold and 1fast are just trying to start shit with you. I don't know how you maintain such a class act. Pat even said shit about Bill's wife. Unbelievable! Where are the mods, man? The mods are so intimidated. My buddies and I have stopped visiting their board because of the constant fighting. I visit boards to get info from other bros. I want to go to a good online store with good prices and good info like here.

[SNS8778]

If you want a sample cycle I'd be happy to send you one as an industry courtesy (I'll ask for something in return at some point, don't worry). Just PM me your address.

Apologies for the delayed response. Been trying to keep my cool on one of the other boards again..

I would love to try it out. PM's are disabled on this forum though and I do not know your e-mail address. If you would please e-mail me at the address in my sig., I will forward my address to you. (Whenever you want to try something of ours, just let me know.)

I understand. I was following the situation you were talking about having to keep your cool over. That was ridiculous if we are talking about the same thing.

[max von]

Well 20oz you can to the right spot nothing like goes on hear the mods on here do there job. By the way welcome and look forward to talking to you

max von

[max von]

Bill i also say it i think to and that is just not cool you can say all you want about a product but leave out personal attacks on people that are not even envolved. I will say the lost me not that they care im sure but we got your back Bill

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[Observer_1011]

In reference to the situation about the personal attacks towards Bill on another board by certain individuals in our industry, I can promise everyone 2 things:
1. If any person personally insults anyone else on a personal level, especially their family, they will be banned regardless of who they are and what status they have in our industry.

2. Anyone that disrespects a company owner will be banned. Period. No discussion. These guys have very busy lives and jobs and come here to provide assistance, and should be respected for that. Now as time goes by, there will be some that come here more to push product than to help out, but I shall handle that issue swiftly as we will not let this board go the direction of others in the past.

[dinoiii]

Ok,

I promise I am finalizing the post - I had a couple patient concerns that had me not post much at all the last two days - obviously atypical for me.

In the mean time ---> Bill when will Anabolics 2005 be out...your site says Jan 3rd. It is still a pre-order situation here on Chris' site. I actually have used it in the office believe it or not in the past as a reference (certainly not the typical medical text, but I would never claim ominiescence to all of the compounds available - that is your forte). Just its inclusion in some conversations, in fact, allows patients to feel more at ease about telling me of things I am not sure they would have otherwise.

While I do not support X Factor, I am prepping what is known as the "feedback sandwhich" by supplying a good comment first, then my negative post, followed by a good comment at the end. I hope I am not classified with those that try and knock you down. To illustrate, I meant whole-heartedly the comments in the "Liquid Relaxation" thread I stated about you Bill.

I also want everyone to realize I am NOT associated with any supplement company nor part of the medical community that doesn't believe in supplementation or anabolic cpds. as part of a good plan of attack for body composition as is evident by all of my posts.

[max von]

Dinoiii

I have never bought that book before is it some thing that everyone involved in supps should add to there collection. By the way i think the people who know you from the begining know that you are not with a supplement company. Just keep up the good post by the way do you like my dog?

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[Bang_411]

Bill-
I have watched your posts on other boards for the past few months. Seems everytime you always managed to take the high road so to speak. I as many others look foward to learning alot from you on this forum so... Welcome to the Board!

[max von]

Bill when will anabolics 2005 be avalible to ship still shows pre-orders

max von

[w_llewellyn]

Ok,

I promise I am finalizing the post - I had a couple patient concerns that had me not post much at all the last two days - obviously atypical for me.

In the mean time ---> Bill when will Anabolics 2005 be out...your site says Jan 3rd. It is still a pre-order situation here on Chris' site. I actually have used it in the office believe it or not in the past as a reference (certainly not the typical medical text, but I would never claim ominiescence to all of the compounds available - that is your forte). Just its inclusion in some conversations, in fact, allows patients to feel more at ease about telling me of things I am not sure they would have otherwise.

While I do not support X Factor, I am prepping what is known as the "feedback sandwhich" by supplying a good comment first, then my negative post, followed by a good comment at the end. I hope I am not classified with those that try and knock you down. To illustrate, I meant whole-heartedly the comments in the "Liquid Relaxation" thread I stated about you Bill.

I also want everyone to realize I am NOT associated with any supplement company nor part of the medical community that doesn't believe in supplementation or anabolic cpds. as part of a good plan of attack for body composition as is evident by all of my posts.

Feedback sandwich is a good.. As a professional, you probably have learned the same thing I have through a lot of trial and error.. It is much better to start a letter or conversation off on the positive, even if you need to convey a negative ultimately..

I am always open to intersting debate, especially about AA, which is a very complex and (can be) fun subject to cover. I welcome your post.. But do take your time and don't feel rushed.

Actually, I want to make an offer to you while you are working on it. We can still debate actively now, of course, but would you consider trying it if I sent a free cycle to your office? Easy way to veryify your not a competitor, and I'd be happy to get your honest feedback on it. I think you will be pleasantly surprised about how well it works, and know it will be a lot easier to convice you when you've actually used it.

[w_llewellyn]

Bill when will anabolics 2005 be avalible to ship still shows pre-orders

max von

All books are on a truck, on the way to our warehouse, as we speak. The online stores will prob be filling orders at the same pace we are, as we've tried to put them at the very top of the list so that their customers aren't left waiting any longer than necessary..

I am not up on the day to day stuff with Discount Anabolics (to tell the truth, I am not actually sure myself what Molecular products if any Chris is even selling at the moment, and I'd rather type this than go check), but expect that if they are taking preorders, they should be getting filled very shortly.. I apologize for the wait. Sometimes I think I am a bit of a perfectionist, and while most delayes were unavoiadable, I know a week at least I due to me personally wanthing to fix some last minute things that "just weren't right". I hope everyone feels the wait is worth it when the book actually arrives.

[AXResources]

Bill,
Good to see you one here. I can't wait for the Anabolics 2005.. Need to add it to the collection.. Bill, what kind of new things can we expect from this version?? Just name a few.

[w_llewellyn]

Bill-
I have watched your posts on other boards for the past few months. Seems everytime you always managed to take the high road so to speak. I as many others look foward to learning alot from you on this forum so... Welcome to the Board!

Thanks Bang_411. To be honest though, I've done my share of yelling, cursing, and insulting in the past. I used to take the boards too personally. And when a competitor starting hitting below the belt, I'd get angry and act just as immature.. Just don't want to do it anymore.. No point.. I passed the age of 30 recently, so maybe I am just getting a little too old for it now..

I have also come to realize something.. Although many of the attacks have been personal, I no longer feel like the motivation is. The more and more I read and spend time on soem of these sites, the more it becomes apparent to me that many of my compatitors view the boards as a real modern day battleground, where all is fair (love, war and business I guess). When one guy would insult me, and 10 would jump in to back him up, I used to be flabbergasted.. How can all 10 of these people hate me so much.. They don't even know me.. Now I realize it was prob most often all the same one or two people, who want to make it a job to dominate the boards, because they know how much $$ is at stake...

Now, I just try to look at it as, "hey, we're both competing in the same marketplace. I'm going to take the high road and I know it will pay off for me in the end. If this guy want to take the low road, let him. I more feel sorry that that is how they feel they need to do business..

[w_llewellyn]

Bill,
Good to see you one here. I can't wait for the Anabolics 2005.. Need to add it to the collection.. Bill, what kind of new things can we expect from this version?? Just name a few.

Well the page count is 540 instead of 420.. So I added another 120 pages or so of content.. Some new steroids (a lot of the methyl stuff on the market, it deserves to be in there), some older ones I didn't go over yet, some new anabolics/ancillaried.. IGF-1 for instance..

Pics are going to be AWESOME this year.. NO MORE SCANNER for me! Finally got some expensive photography equipment.. I have a mini studio in the office now, and the pics are coming out 110%.. No dark shadows, just real CRISP.. On a black BG now too, look REALLY great if I do say so..

Oh, and the last page is a hologram reference chart, so you can check your product against it to see if you have the same stickers..

TONS of lab tests now.. Spent 5 figures on this book easy, just for testing.

Lot of neat stuff.. I just hope the sales go up, because printing costs are VERY high now, book is hardcover too, and production costs are going way up in general will all this testing... but I kept the cost the same..

[RodneyDupont]

2. Anyone that disrespects a company owner will be banned. Period. No discussion. These guys have very busy lives and jobs and come here to provide assistance, and should be respected for that. Now as time goes by, there will be some that come here more to push product than to help out, but I shall handle that issue swiftly as we will not let this board go the direction of others in the past.

Great rule!

[AXResources]

Bill,
Good to see you one here. I can't wait for the Anabolics 2005.. Need to add it to the collection.. Bill, what kind of new things can we expect from this version?? Just name a few.

Well the page count is 540 instead of 420.. So I added another 120 pages or so of content.. Some new steroids (a lot of the methyl stuff on the market, it deserves to be in there), some older ones I didn't go over yet, some new anabolics/ancillaried.. IGF-1 for instance..

Pics are going to be AWESOME this year.. NO MORE SCANNER for me! Finally got some expensive photography equipment.. I have a mini studio in the office now, and the pics are coming out 110%.. No dark shadows, just real CRISP.. On a black BG now too, look REALLY great if I do say so..

Oh, and the last page is a hologram reference chart, so you can check your product against it to see if you have the same stickers..

TONS of lab tests now.. Spent 5 figures on this book easy, just for testing.

Lot of neat stuff.. I just hope the sales go up, because printing costs are VERY high now, book is hardcover too, and production costs are going way up in general will all this testing... but I kept the cost the same..

Bill,
Sounds great. Can't wait to add it to my collection. I will let you know what I think.. If it is better than the last one, I am excited... Also, I have been happy to see you stay out of those petty fights. You look much better for doing so.. Good Luck in 2005.

Observer,
I do think that is a great rule.. Most of us a lot of take some time to post and we are happy not to be bashed...

[italionstallionl]

[quote="w_llewellyn

TONS of lab tests now.. Spent 5 figures on this book easy, just for testing.

quote]

this alone makes the book worth whatever the price will be, im interested

[RodneyDupont]

2. Anyone that disrespects a company owner will be banned. Period. No discussion. These guys have very busy lives and jobs and come here to provide assistance, and should be respected for that. Now as time goes by, there will be some that come here more to push product than to help out, but I shall handle that issue swiftly as we will not let this board go the direction of others in the past.

Great rule!

Bill,
I know we've never chatted before (although i do hear about you constantly from catherine) but i wanted to thank you for writing for Double XL Magazine - your column turned out great. I also wanted to wish you best of luck with Body of Science magazine. Maybe one day we can combine the two....

[max von]

bill

i am so stoked for the new book to come out glad to here that it is on the truck and ready to go i cant wait. I think that is a good idea to give dinoiii a free try. i am going to order a bottle for myself as i have told you in the past and hopefully he will take you up on it so then he will see the proof in the pudding

max von

[max von]

bill

how is the best way to get ahold of you i would like to personal email you i have tried on you web site under ask bill but have not got any response please let me know

thanks max von

[max von]

okay guys here is the bottom line i sent for my bottle of x-factor and going to give it an honest try and do a thread with the truth about it. i still think that it is going to be great product and i intend on proving that so it will be about a week but then i will be done with the other stuff and ready to go I talked to catherine to and got it on its way. I trust them and do not feel that bill would lead me down the wrong path.

max von

[max von]

come on no response from anyone on this will ill keep you posted then should be here next week and im excited

max von

[italionstallionl]

ill respond

is this the type of product that you guys think will replace the gap in the market once ph's are gone? or do you think it will be more of the gh stimulants

[dinoiii]

Tomorrow at some point will post on all that has gone down with this post since last time.

I'm closing up shop today - patients and the like - and will likely be posting oddly very little today. Some may enjoy that idea....
:lol: But tomorrow you are in for a treat.

I will respond to Bill's offer as well.

[italionstallionl]

looking forward to it dinoiii, you have me very interested in the side/negative effects of this

[max von]

i will be looking forward to it as will bill as i spoke to him and he is very intrerested in it should be a good debate to read about, All i can say is i am ready to try it and i think it will close the gap.

max von

[w_llewellyn]

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Bill,
I know we've never chatted before (although i do hear about you constantly from catherine) but i wanted to thank you for writing for Double XL Magazine - your column turned out great. I also wanted to wish you best of luck with Body of Science magazine. Maybe one day we can combine the two....


No problem. I was happy to do it, and look forward to seeing the final copy.

We'll have to chat sometime. Are you going to the Arnold? If so, stop by the booth if you have some time.

[max von]

bill i was wondering if you got the personal email that i sent you and if you had a chance to talk with catherine about our conversation

thanks max von