17 Hd

[Wes Carnegie]

Hey guys. I've got a close friend that's just started a cycle of this yesterday. I will keep you posted just in case somebody is wondering if it is any good or not. He did a cylce of superdrol followed by Novadex and gained 18lbs that he actually kept 15 of. I'll try to post some stats before and after, I just have to ask him first. Thanks for listening.

Wes

[Drake]

cool, Iv ben wondering about that stuff, Ill have to keep an eye on this thread.
-D

[max von]

This should be a good onr there is alot of press on this

[Wes Carnegie]

He has been on it about three days now. I helped him on his chest workout a little bit today, but the main thing that I noticed is that he is absolutely wired. He says that it gives him a lot of drive and focus. So that sounds good. Weight seemed to be normal, but he really forced that extra rep every set. Looks good so far... I'll keep you posted.

Wes

[Wes Carnegie]

Okay... So far he says that his energy is absolutely throught the roof. He is very lazy by nature, and now he wants to work out constantly. He has gained 3 pounds, and his strength has gone up about 5-10 lbs on everything. That is a great accomplishment for him, because he has the worst metabolism that I've ever seen in my life. He says that the strength wasn't as good as superdrol, but he likes this more because he feels so much better. That's it. Thanks for reading

Wes Carnegie

[max von]

Okay... So far he says that his energy is absolutely throught the roof. He is very lazy by nature, and now he wants to work out constantly. He has gained 3 pounds, and his strength has gone up about 5-10 lbs on everything. That is a great accomplishment for him, because he has the worst metabolism that I've ever seen in my life. He says that the strength wasn't as good as superdrol, but he likes this more because he feels so much better. That's it. Thanks for reading

Wes Carnegie

Keep me posted cause that was the one big draw back that I had with SD was the lethargy. I know that I keep saying that but I am a very hyper guy and anything that slows that down kills me

[Wes Carnegie]

Well, so far he loves it. He said that he can feel 17-hd kick in within 20 minutes of taking it. It sounds like it really helps keep him focus, because he is naturally a pretty lazy guy.

Wes

[TheKoos]

Is 17-HD a product that should be cycled and require PCT?

[O'GB]

I took a sample of the 17HD before the gym yesterday and I must say I was impressed. I was wired, and focused at the same time. My strength was not improved all that much, but I was able to have focused sets, and didn't get tired until about 2 hours in. I was able to have great form and still maintain great weight. In my book I am going to have to recommend this product to all.

To the question before, yes you need a PCT when you finish cycling 17HD.

[mcsteveof2h2h]

do you how much of HD is he cycling?

[Pxboarder]

OGB how do you take a sample of somthign that needs pct people dont just sample superdrol? not a shot just a question.

[O'GB]

OGB how do you take a sample of somthign that needs pct people dont just sample superdrol? not a shot just a question.

Vyo-Tech has sample packets that I took one of. From there I always have products lying around I work for a supplement company, so I am able to follow up the day with a small does of a PCT. Ultra hotter and 6OXO. If this answers your question if not please rephrase the question.

[jckiddo66]

Has he had an problem with ACNE while on the 17HD? I have done a little bit of reading on it and that seemed to be the number one side effect of it?

JC

[shuttaLCD]

Vyo-Tech has sample packets that I took one of. From there I always have products lying around I work for a supplement company, so I am able to follow up the day with a small does of a PCT. Ultra hotter and 6OXO. If this answers your question if not please rephrase the question.


O'GB,

I think he ment how do you sample something like that when you send it to other people and it needs PCT? What if they dont know?

I think thats wut hes getting at.

-Shutta

[O'GB]

O'GB,

I think he ment how do you sample something like that when you send it to other people and it needs PCT? What if they dont know?

I think thats wut hes getting at.

-Shutta

If all you are doing is one sample pack, meaning 1 pill, there is no need for a PCT. You would need at least a week of cycling to start to shut down your own production or see gain that would need a PCT. 1 sample of something won't affect a thing.

[thebigt]

ogb you said alri hotter.6oxo for pct. just curious why alri pulled hotter, anything dangerous. i just finished 2 wks of 17hd and was thinking of trying the hotter.

[O'GB]

ogb you said alri hotter.6oxo for pct. just curious why alri pulled hotter, anything dangerous. i just finished 2 wks of 17hd and was thinking of trying the hotter.

ALRI sold the rights Anabolic Xtreme. The PCT is the same compound as the Ultra Hotter. This stuff is crazy good for an off cycle.

[robnfl]

...To the question before, yes you need a PCT when you finish cycling 17HD.

Howdy all. Pardon my ign'ance, but what is a "PCT"? I've ordered some of the 17-HD and will start a cycle soon, so was wondering what it was. Thanks.

Rob

[shuttaLCD]

robnfl,

if you make your own thread you will probably get more replies.. but PCT means

Post Cycle Therapy...it is used after PH (pro-hormone) PS(pro steroid) AAS(anabolic androgen steroid) cycles.. The main purpose is to get natural Testosterone supply going again. and to keep the balance of hormones in the body at a stable rate until everything is running normal the pct can be stopped..

thats just a short ex. of it.

-Shutta

[robnfl]

Thanks Shutta.
I guess I should of done some research prior to posting my question. Since then I've read quite a bit about PCT (and other subjects) on this forum. There is a dizzying array of knowledge concerning the subject, most of it far surpasses my high school/college chemistry knowledge. I have recently ordered some 17-HD to try to kick start my bodybuilding progress. I ordered it because of the article I read at bodybuildingabout.com about testosterone boosting supplements. Testosterone Boost article (http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/womensfitnesstopics/a/testosterone.htm)
Although I have been bodybuilding for over 30 years, it has been several years since I've done any research on new supplements. So, after reading this article I decided to try one of the supplements mentioned, which happens to be the 17-HD. Now, after reading more on the subject of "new" bodybuilding supplements I run into the subject of PCT. The aforementioned article did not mention anything about PCT, in fact mentioned that these 7 different supplements can be cycled one right after the other for 6 weeks at a time. Now, my question is, do I need a PCT after I use the 17-HD and what substances do I need to take during the PCT?

Rob


***I have moved my question to the Prohormone folder***

[TheKoos]

My understanding is that this product is all natural and does not need PCT.

I would actually like to see a known board member try 17-HD and do a review.

All the info I have read on other forums seems to show it is at least a good pre-workout product. It does get alot of bad press though because it is a Vyo-Tech product.

[shuttaLCD]

I would actually like to see a known board member try 17-HD and do a review.



that would be a great idea..mabye some1 could get ahold of Vyo-Tech and see if they could spare ONE bottle....

if not..we COULD all vote on a tester then the participating board members split the cost...(tester wouldnt pay)...wont be that much...

-Shutta

[shuttaLCD]

Dinoiii,

mabye you? i know you are probably busy but it would be great if you could check T serum levels as well..

-Shutta

[garb]

just wanted to bump this.....

with the few anagen logs that are currently running, i think it would be really interesting to see how this compares/contrasts. so if anyone reading this is planning on trying this, or knows someone that is get them on here.

[getbig]

why would I need a pct if 17 hd is already a test aplifier?

[TheKoos]

It does not require PCT.

[Dizzle1]

Has he had an problem with ACNE while on the 17HD? I have done a little bit of reading on it and that seemed to be the number one side effect of it?

JC
me too ,17hd gets you wired it's a ph not a fat burner what's going on?

[Sonny]

EDIT: Ok you switched pics. I can't respond to that one.

[Dizzle1]

and this happend too, the next day when I increased the dose..............not. I did use to get some gnarly ones in HS from my football helmet on my chin, ouch gotta love the teen years rock out w/ your cock out!

[B-natural]

If you talk to the ppl at Vyo-Tech they will tell you that the product can be used continuously (not recommended, due to tolerance levels). I took 2 months of HD, no sides, was kinda wired at first, but that tapered off.

I had some decent gains, I was eating like a freak and lifting 3 on 1 off, pretty extreme, but I wasn't doin cardio. My strength went through the roof and I gained some decent size too.

I started off benching 225 3-4 times. By wk 7 I through up 12 reps easy, w/o a spotter

[thebigt]

10 days into powerfull/cissus/anagen so far results are minimal. just added the 17hd yesterday. will be doing 1 cap a day. hopefully the 17hd will make the other stuff kick in a little better.

[Kent Holbrook]

I have been taking supplements on and off ever since i started lifting. I just finished a month on this product (in addition to nitrobolic extreme) and found the gains to be quite impressive. I noticed an increase in intensity, strength, and got me more defined. However, I will probably do another month on this product then move to something that gains more mass. Overall good product and if anyone knows a product that will put some pounds on me let me know... THANKS!

[luckydawg]

So how did this stuff (17-HD) work out?

Hey DIZZLE1, what the F&^k was that on your face? what were you taking?