whey protien or mass gainer

[michael]

I AM ALITTLE OVER WEIGHT 5'8" 195 LBS AND I HAVE EXCESSS FAT AT THE ABB AREA BUT I WORK OUT 3 TO 4 TIMES A WEEK AND I TRY TO EAT HEALTHY. I WANT TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS NOT FAT, WILL A GAINER CAUSE ME TO GAIN FAT INSTEAD OF MUSCLE? I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.

[italionstallionl]

i would have to say it depends. many have a bunch of sugar in them, which would probably lead to more fat, but some do not. also they generally have more protein and carbs than you need per serving, so you could cut it in half or take a 3/4 serving and might be better off. i would probably stick to whey if i was you, but it is your choice

[max von]

itallions got it right i have tried those weight gainers and it felt like i just put concrete in my stomach plus it caused me to gain a lot of weight im my face and bad spare tire just way to much sugar stay away from that sugar

max von

[dinoiii]

Stallion my boy, that is the classic response! I have been saying that since day 1 ya know - I am content we are on the same page.

"It depends."

Anyone asks an open-ended dietary question, the classic yet qualified "It depends" always remains the correct answer.

Michael-

Are you aware of your total calories ingested per day? Are you aware of total macronutrient breakdown each day? Do you cycle calories (especially if you are dieting - i.e. - more calories on days you workout, less on days off)?

Next - what is your training like? Heavy + Intense -or- Light + Weak? How bout that cardio - are ya spinning your wheels?

Take it from a former fat ass bro -- it took you how long to get to where you are (i.e.- you claim you are overweight), and you expect it take how long to reach your goals? Luckily - if I sound harsh enough....maybe my contention lies in you taking my questions more serious after this post. It becomes all so very imperative. Granted, there is the 0.001% of the population with the luxurious genetics, hwoever, for the 99.999% rest of us - this all matters very much.

To your original post - weight gainers for fat guys (or pleasantly plump as some ego-bruised individuals like to claim themselves, yet somehow I see your unpleasantness) DO NOT MIX! Those things - all of them are a waste - and I have to agree with Stallion again in saying be very afraid of what's thrown into them for even the skinniest of guys.

[wedgylx]

Bro, if I were you I'd stay clear of weight gainer (you can usually make a better one yourself, but thats beside the point----you dont need a weight gainer). Get a whey protein isolate and some sort of carb (it doesnt sound like you have wide experience with supplements from your initial post so I'm kind of going slow, sorry if i took it the wrong way).

The two theories on post-workout carbs are the high GI, and the low GI. High GI carbs are like sugar carbs. You can get them by drinking some gatorade, or you can buy dextrose or maltodextrin. The Low GI carbs are like wehat bagels, wheat bread, or oats.

I personally like the low GI method and i've been using it lately. I think it would be better for you as well since you said you're carrying a little extra fat. I think if you used sugars it would only get worse. But everyone is different so theres no way to be sure.

Start off slow, get a good training regiment....we can help you here, but post the one you've been using so far so we can critique it because it might be fine.

Diet wise try to cut out all sugars from your diet. Replace them with green veggies and wheat rolls/bagels/bread, and brown rice. Eat alot of lean meats like chicken breast or fish. If you follow that not only will you gain muscle but you should see pretty nice changes in body fat percentage.

I'd aim around 2400 calories a day, 240g protein, 240g carbs, 53g fats for starters

[michael]

dinoiii my claim of being over weight has came from my doctors scale i have gained 40#s in 4 years (215lbs) I am 32yrs and this is the worst I have ever been in my life, this is due to a former job where i traveled EVERY week and it is hard to eat right every day alone 5-7 times. I want to get my life on track I am tired of being fat I will lose this weight and i will do it for me.
as for counting cals- no
cals used-no
work out- mostly heavy+intense but there are days when you are tired and those are the light days
cardio- not more than 30 min and it is as intense as my bad ankle will take.

[dinoiii]

Am I sure I got you right. Your weight changed Michael from post #1 to your last post. Is it 195 or 215?


I think it is appropriate for you to post what a sample day's menu would like if that would be ok?





And Wedgylx: I am confused as to where you came up with your macronutrient tallies based on Michael's initial post. You have to assess a number of things before you go throwing out those recommendations - or maybe it is your perfect diet suggestion I lack the knowledge of. Of course, I am just kidding and I hope you take the jab by throwing a big fat upper cut right back at me. :)

[wedgylx]

Of course, I am just kidding and I hope you take the jab by throwing a big fat upper cut right back at me. :)

I'm glad you havent taken anything the wrong way dinolli....

As for my post, I figure even at his weight if he's complaining about being very fat he's not supporting much muscle. I also figure to get to this point his caloric intake is pretty high. 2400 I think would be lower than what he's taking in daily and would also put him at a decent defecit while enabling him to build some muscle. Then i just split those 2400 calories into a 40%protein, 40%carb, 20% fat ratio.

Also I bades that on his original post of 195lbs...so that would be about 12X his body weight in calories.

[michael]

4 years ago i weighed 170-175 lbs this past october at my check up with my doctor i weighed in at 215. I have been working out before my checkup now i am currently at 195lbs. yes i am more of the average joe when it comes to the muscle but first things first the fat.
a daily in take is
1 protien shake
2 usually oats or low fat yougrt
3 turkey/chicken on wheat and low fat yougrt
4 protien shake
5 meat source chicken/fish/beef rice mixed veggies
6 some times a shake or a proien bar

i work out in the evenings

[italionstallionl]

so when do you work out, between 3 and 4
an easy way to decrease cals would be to switch to fat free yogurt you would cut about 50 cals per yogurt out
what do you usually drink? soda? water? beer?

[wedgylx]

Diet looks pretty good so far micheal. You should see some fat loss with that....Like Italn said the fat free yogurt would be a nice swap.