Pick a SERM

[usf97j4x4]

I am currently running a P-Plex cycle... running it a minimum of 5 weeks, MAYBE even 6 if the gains continue, running it as follows: 30/30/30/45/45 also running TD formestane along side at dosages of 80-100 mg/day to control estrogen on cycle. I dont want to run the formestane longer than 6 weeks (ive heard this is bad) so I am planning on utilizing a SERM. My concern is that stopping the p-plex and form is going to cause a nasty bounce back effect on estrogen levels.

I have both Nolva and Clomid and some Letro(do not want to use this) sitting around. I know Dinoiii usually prefers Clomid over Nolva. From my experience with SERMs in the past i've really felt a lot better and seemed to "normalize" faster using Clomid over Nolva. I am not sure if Clomid will be adequate as the chances of gyno on p-plex are higher than on other compounds. Thoughts?? It will definitely help with the shutdown but not sure about staving off gyno.

If you plan to give me "you shoulda had it planned" speech save it. I am 12 days into my cycle and had only planned on running it for 4 weeks and using OTC PCT. I think I am going to push it and see how long I can run it without screwing myself up completely. This may well be my last PH cycle so i'd like to end it with a bang (and maybe some jaundice lol).

My original plan was Nolva at 20/20/10/10

I also have the whole line up of OTC products here which I will probably combine w/the SERM.

[bmoremade26]

personally i didnt get shutdown on p plex id run nolva since its a wet compound nolva directly reducing estrogen build up in breast tissue area clomid reducing estrogen as far as gyno is concerned ur better off wqith nolva but i generally would prefer clomid over nolva

[usf97j4x4]

personally i didnt get shutdown on p plex id run nolva since its a wet compound nolva directly reducing estrogen build up in breast tissue area clomid reducing estrogen as far as gyno is concerned ur better off wqith nolva but i generally would prefer clomid over nolva

So maybe run the Nolva at 20/20/10/10. I was going to throw in some Restore too..

[llllern]

are you running your otc pct as a inverse dose?

[usf97j4x4]

are you running your otc pct as a inverse dose?

Thinking the 6 bromo in the Restore + the Nolva may be enough

I have some inhibit too but it really messes up my libido

[llllern]

Thinking the 6 bromo in the Restore + the Nolva may be enough

I have some inhibit too but it really messes up my libido

ok

I plan on running my nolva @ 40 30 20 10
and my inhibit like this 1 2 3 4

[celc5]

My concern is that stopping the p-plex and form is going to cause a nasty bounce back effect on estrogen levels.

See why I didn't start my formestane until week 4 of my phera cycle? :D He He

Now for the lecture, your cycle length excuse for not having a serm is a poor one. What if you would have had to abort your cycle because you got gyno from your phera clone?

[hardcorefitness]

See why I didn't start my formestane until week 4 of my phera cycle? :D He He

Now for the lecture, your cycle length excuse for not having a serm is a poor one. What if you would have had to abort your cycle because you got gyno from your phera clone?
he does have a serm (nolva, clomid and letro), hes just changing his original pct plan due to changing his cycle duration

[celc5]

he does have a serm (nolva, clomid and letro), hes just changing his original pct plan due to changing his cycle duration

well, whichever. The original post doesn't sound that way to me, as he says several times he had planned an OTC pct. Anyway, that's NOT the issue at hand.

The important part is the form startegy, and his concern for possibly instigating estrogen rebound. My personal opinion is that the form shouldn't have been started until about mid cycle or later, so that you can bridge it right into post cycle (I say hogwash on the "it's supressive" scare tactics). Usf, if you have some ideas for how you're gonna handle this, post em up. I also have some ideas for you to keep form in the mix throughout your cycle.

[thebigt]

well, whichever. The original post doesn't sound that way to me, as he says several times he had planned an OTC pct. Anyway, that's NOT the issue at hand.

The important part is the form startegy, and his concern for possibly instigating estrogen rebound. My personal opinion is that the form shouldn't have been started until about mid cycle or later, so that you can bridge it right into post cycle (I say hogwash on the "it's supressive" scare tactics). Usf, if you have some ideas for how you're gonna handle this, post em up. I also have some ideas for you to keep form in the mix throughout your cycle.

in rebuttal i would add that my concern on a phera cycle would be more towards prolactin than estrogen. running form during cycle would cut chances of prolactin issues way down. btw how is the pct coming?

[Tick]

I start my pct low dose about half -way through. Just so I don't loose control of the LOVE GUN. Low dose of a pct that can be ran through a cycle. I can say half-way is when you are pumping in the pills and it will only be run at max-(most of the time),depending on what your running.
It should help the descent of the pct in the end of the cycle. feel it out I guess. Works for me. I still get nice gains and control of the Gun.;)

[celc5]

in rebuttal i would add that my concern on a phera cycle would be more towards prolactin than estrogen. running form during cycle would cut chances of prolactin issues way down. btw how is the pct coming?

I've just read some posts on AM that may suggest lowering estrogen to control for prolactin issues seemingly works in the short term but may be detrimental in the long run. I have so many questions for the "new kid" who is posting these things that I haven't gotten to that particular topic yet :D

Post cycle is going well to this point. I think I felt the juices coming back after about 10 days. That's almost right in line with where I was after my halo cycle, only this time I dosed about 1/2 the torem. In other words, lower dosed serm but still SAME recovery time! Having the formestane in the mix during post cycle is really helping with workout intensity as well.

[usf97j4x4]

I've just read some posts on AM that may suggest lowering estrogen to control for prolactin issues seemingly works in the short term but may be detrimental in the long run. I have so many questions for the "new kid" who is posting these things that I haven't gotten to that particular topic yet :D

Post cycle is going well to this point. I think I felt the juices coming back after about 10 days. That's almost right in line with where I was after my halo cycle, only this time I dosed about 1/2 the torem. In other words, lower dosed serm but still SAME recovery time! Having the formestane in the mix during post cycle is really helping with workout intensity as well.

I am finding this extremely mild, even at 45 ED

Will report more...

[llllern]

did you ever get more serm???