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Jam
September 8th, 2005, 05:55 PM
I read that by cooking eggs you lose some of their nutrients and the protein denatures a little so you lose that too.
I do cardio at 6AM 3 times a week on an empty stomach then go home and eat.
For the past month and a half i started blending 6-7 egg whites mixed with a scoop of choc.protein powder(sometimes L-glutamine too),4-5 ice cubes,and a little water together. It actually tastes very good and i'm kinda addicted to them.
I'm a little worried about salamonella when i drink them. i've heard that the chances of getting it are pretty slim if you check for cracks in the shells. Has anyone heard otherwise.
....note: You need to do yourself a favor and try these shacks. They're good if you dont have much time in the AM.

dinoiii
September 8th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Quick Fact: CDC estimate - 1 in 10,000 may be contaminated

Raw or undercooked eggs implemented in appx. 80% of outbreaks

Honestly, this is an age-old argument that likely hovers around the "PICK YOUR POISON" sentiment.

Yes, there IS a risk of Salmonella enteritidis with ingestion of raw or undercooked. Their is INCREASING INCIDENCE of a perfect looking egg (i.e. - without eggs or a dirty color) to have salmonella. ALthough pure speculative on the behalf of researchers in this very area, it is thought that salmonella from an infected hen is being passed into the egg before the shell is formed to cover it. There is also risk of sunny-side up cookie batters and a whole host - NOT COOKED TO 145 degrees to be a potential source. While an unsafe practice it may be, you are likely seeing risk from other places as well.

Yes, protein IS denatured with cooking. The funny part is that this varies for the white and yolk and is a bigger concern for the yolk proteins. The more pending question may be - Is this a way around the potential Russian roulette you may be playing with your 3 day/ week habit? Hey you may be the lucky one with the truthfully good eggs, but I am not sure anyone could say you were free from risk, at least with a straight face considering morbidity and mortality reports.

wedgylx
September 8th, 2005, 09:58 PM
how about you just buy egg beaters? They are pasteurized so you can drink them raw without worrying

shuttaLCD
September 8th, 2005, 10:02 PM
how about you just buy egg beaters? They are pasteurized so you can drink them raw without worrying

DITTO!.....add a little protein powder to it and down the hatch!.....
Its really not all that bad.....


-Shutta

Trans_Isomer
September 9th, 2005, 12:01 AM
Dont eat raw eggs, robs your body of b-vitamins, plus the chance of salmonella

Jam
September 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
I went to calorieking.com and looked at the difference between cooking whole eggs/egg whites and raw whole eggs/egg whites. In both cases the difference in protein raw or cooked did not change really as much as i thought originally. So i think im going back to cooking them unless im really in a hurry or i just watched Rocky(j/k).

Jam
September 9th, 2005, 12:08 PM
On another note since you mentioned the B-Vitamins.
On discoverychannels Deadliest Catch, one of the crew guys was on his like third day without sleep and said he had a trick for quick energy. He had some raw liver and cut it into bits and ate it. He claimed that the liver was loaded with B-vitamins and eating it raw would almost instantly overload your blood with the vitamins. I never tried this and never plan on it but has anyone else heard this.

jjschube
October 23rd, 2005, 11:07 AM
i've always wanted to try raw pasturized egg beaters...but i'm a pussy

wedgylx
October 23rd, 2005, 06:55 PM
i've always wanted to try raw pasturized egg beaters...but i'm a pussy

you cant taste them in a protein shake at all

garb
October 23rd, 2005, 07:19 PM
i've always wanted to try raw pasturized egg beaters...but i'm a pussy

lol....

im thinking of picking up some to add to my morning routine

Ibanez
October 23rd, 2005, 09:50 PM
Uncooked eggs?? Raw liver???... You guys belong in one of thos Universal Animal Stack ads..lol, I must be a real pussy, I need cooked chicken breast, lemon dipped salmon etc....

I must admit, I immediately thought of the old school hard core Rocky films when I started reading this ;)

italionstallionl
October 24th, 2005, 04:56 PM
I very well could be wrong, but for some reason drinking/eating raw eggs is popping an idea into my head about biotin and the fact the protein is bound to the biotin. your body cant break this bond apart, so you lose some of the protein, while cooking does break down the bond, enabling you to absorb the protein.

again, this could be wrong, but for some reason that is sticking out in my mind

dinoiii
October 24th, 2005, 07:03 PM
QUESTION #1 in this thread:
liver and B-vitamins...hehe, of the water solubles - you have to eat a LOT of liver I suppose.

A, D, E, and K (Fat soluble) on the other hand could lead to a Hypervitaminosis condition if consuming even a fraction.

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QUESTION #2 in this thread:
And about the Biotin. This is the traditional nutritional dogma as raw egg whites contain a glycoprotein called avidin that is very effective at binding biotin. The concern is that this can lead to a biotin deficiency. Among other things, biotin is necessary for proper carbohydrate, protein and fat metabolism, for proper utilization of the other B complex vitamins, as well as for healthy hair and skin. The simple solution is to cook the egg whites as this completely deactivates the avidin through the denaturation process.

But not so fast - The conundrum that develops is cooking also completely deactivates nearly every other protein in the egg WHITE. While you will still obtain nutritional benefits from consuming cooked egg whites, from a nutritional perspective it would seem far better to consume them uncooked.

After recent studies it became clear that the egg's design carefully compensated for this issue, however.

It put tons of biotin in the egg yolk. Egg yolks have one of the highest concentrations of biotin found in nature. So it is likely that you will not have a biotin deficiency if you consume the whole egg, yolk and white. It is also clear, however, that if you only consume raw egg whites, you are nearly guaranteed to develop a biotin deficiency unless you take a biotin supplement or B-Complex. Eating raw egg whites on any kind of long term basis is not a good idea, (the yolks are fine as salmonella does NOT tend to make this its habitat, it is the white).


I AM SURE EVERYONE ON HERE TAKES A B-COMPLEX VITAMIN in addition to a MULTI-VITAMIN at two times they do not take the Multi based on reading my previous posts. And shame on you if you don't as bodybuilders and powerlifters. What I mean is take your multi in say the AM with breakfast and then supplement with the B-Complex 2 additional times during the day. Again, water-soluble therefore, forget toxicities (especially in light of your increased activity) - it really is a challenge!!!

dinoiii
October 24th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Sometimes people are concerned with the cooking oils etc... and oxidation.


FYI: The best/quickest way to cook eggs/egg whites without oxidizing them, (i.e. - browning them) is either soft boiled, or steaming them in a frying pan. Apply heat. Put down some butter. Break the egg(s) into the pan. Pour some water around the edges. Cover the pan and allow the steam that is produced to cook the egg until the white is opaque. You can separate the yolk prior to this if you want it completely raw - the yolk raw will NOT be an issue like the whites!

italionstallionl
October 24th, 2005, 11:49 PM
I AM SURE EVERYONE ON HERE TAKES A B-COMPLEX VITAMIN in addition to a MULTI-VITAMIN at two times they do not take the Multi based on reading my previous posts.

Yes, yes, i am taking a b complex :rolleyes:

jjschube
November 18th, 2005, 04:48 AM
i have read protein is not absorbed as well if you do not cook the egg

dinoiii
November 18th, 2005, 09:22 PM
i have read protein is not absorbed as well if you do not cook the egg

this varies between the egg white and yolk (see above)