Havoc/Propadrol Cycle , opinions

[FrankZane]

I'm in bulking ( h-drol + propadrol ? or Havoc + propadrol ? )

Thanks

1 Week - 20 mg havoc + 1 cap propadrol
2 Week - 20 mg havoc + 1 cap propadrol
3 Week - 30 mg havoc + 2 cap propadrol
4 Week - 40 mg havoc + 2 cap propadrol

Support :

Liver
Nac 600 mg
Antioxidants
Vitamins
Electrolites

Pct :
1 Week - 40 nolva + 11-OXO
2 Week - 40 nolva + 11-OXO
3 Week - 20 nolva + 11-OXO
4 Week - 10 nolva + 11-OXO

add 6-OXO ?

[KinesitionChirossage]

I'm in bulking ( h-drol + propadrol ? or Havoc + propadrol ? )

Thanks

1 Week - 20 mg havoc + 1 cap propadrol
2 Week - 20 mg havoc + 1 cap propadrol
3 Week - 30 mg havoc + 2 cap propadrol
4 Week - 40 mg havoc + 2 cap propadrol

Support :

Liver
Nac 600 mg
Antioxidants
Vitamins
Electrolites

Pct :
1 Week - 40 nolva + 11-OXO
2 Week - 40 nolva + 11-OXO
3 Week - 20 nolva + 11-OXO
4 Week - 10 nolva + 11-OXO

add 6-OXO ?

As far as stacking Epi with Propadrol, that's overkill considering that they are both anti-Es. Not to mention, I personally don't like the idea of peaking your dosage(s) at the end of your cycle. Havoc is an excellent product and I think that running it 30/30/30/30 would probably bode you better than what you have laid out. And if you felt like you HAD to run Propadrol, I think that most people find that Propadrol to be rather ineffective at dosages less than 90mg. So that would mean you should stay @ 90mg throughout the duration of cycle. But hereagain, I'm not recommending the inclusion of Propadrol.

As far as you wanting to use 6-OXO, that's fine. It's an excellent product, just really under-dosed and damned expensive. If you have not run an Epi before, I'm sure you would still be very pleased at a solo run of it.

Using NOLVA after the cessation of Havoc, is and would be completely unecessary. Using the 6-OXO, or a basic ATD is plenty. The 11-OXO too is a bad idea to use during PCT. Though it is an extremely mild PH, it is still a PH. If you already have about 6 bottles of the 11-OXO, using that concurrently with Havoc should yield some rather excellent losses in fat.

[FrankZane]

thanks very much

ok , final cycle :

1- week : 30 mg havoc
2- week : 30 mg havoc
3- week : 30 mg havoc
4- week : 30 mg havoc

6-OXO in pct ? or with Havoc ?
11-OXO ?

thanks for all

[hardnut1]

I would include something like SNS Reduce XT to your PCT for cortisol control. People under estimate this aspect of proper PCT. Also, be sure to add alot of healthy fats.

[FrankZane]

ok thanks
11-OXO for cortisol maybe?

[hardnut1]

ok thanks
11-OXO for cortisol maybe?

That would be fine. I simply reccomended SNS Reduce XT because I have used it personally with great results. Best of luck with your cycle.

[DriverDan]

Hormonal products in PCT (11-OXO)??? :eek:

[RisingAgainst]

As far as stacking Epi with Propadrol, that's overkill considering that they are both anti-Es. Not to mention, I personally don't like the idea of peaking your dosage(s) at the end of your cycle. Havoc is an excellent product and I think that running it 30/30/30/30 would probably bode you better than what you have laid out. And if you felt like you HAD to run Propadrol, I think that most people find that Propadrol to be rather ineffective at dosages less than 90mg. So that would mean you should stay @ 90mg throughout the duration of cycle. But hereagain, I'm not recommending the inclusion of Propadrol.

As far as you wanting to use 6-OXO, that's fine. It's an excellent product, just really under-dosed and damned expensive. If you have not run an Epi before, I'm sure you would still be very pleased at a solo run of it.

Using NOLVA after the cessation of Havoc, is and would be completely unecessary. Using the 6-OXO, or a basic ATD is plenty. The 11-OXO too is a bad idea to use during PCT. Though it is an extremely mild PH, it is still a PH. If you already have about 6 bottles of the 11-OXO, using that concurrently with Havoc should yield some rather excellent losses in fat.
WRONG AGAIN BRO! damn! lol... Epi/Prop is one of my all time favorites... The original propadrol at 15mgs was fine man, its not INEFFECTIVE at low doses, just MORE effective at higher doses. Again, the SERM thing is personal preference, and the way the epithio clones work is overrated, DONT LISTEN TO THEM! DAMMIT!. I would run any epithio at 40mgs solid, with a spike at 50 somewhere for a week.
That would be fine. I simply reccomended SNS Reduce XT because I have used it personally with great results. Best of luck with your cycle.
LOL!!!!! dude.. check yourself on that, 11-oxo in pct is sooo retarded.
Hormonal products in PCT (11-OXO)??? :eek:
LOL no joke eh bro?

[FrankZane]

Hormonal products in PCT (11-OXO)??? :eek:

is PH (high doses) but is anti-cortisol in normal doses

true ?

[RisingAgainst]

is PH (high doses) but is anti-cortisol in normal doses

true ?
FALSE... don't listen to the bullshit behind this already tainted product. IT IS hormonal! its probably more suppressive than propadrol is (which is one of the least suppressive compounds out!)

[FrankZane]

ok thanks

6-OXO + nolvadex ? for pct

[RisingAgainst]

ok thanks

6-OXO + nolvadex ? for pct
Sure man, thats a fine PCT, add in some SAMe for your liver ok?

[FrankZane]

SAMe or other live support ?

for example , liver detoxifier NOW FOODS and milk thistle (300 mg daily)

[RisingAgainst]

SAMe or other live support ?

for example , liver detoxifier NOW FOODS and milk thistle (300 mg daily)
if you can't afford the SAMe, then dose silymarin (milk thistle) at 1.2grams/day which is 1200mgs.

[FrankZane]

ok thanks bro
I have 2 bottles of Hemadrol , is better the stack hemadrol/propadrol ?
and havoc for cutting :/

cycle with havoc :
1-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 30 mg
2-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 30 mg
3-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 60 mg
4-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 60 mg

[RisingAgainst]

ok thanks bro
I have 2 bottles of Hemadrol , is better the stack hemadrol/propadrol ?
and havoc for cutting :/

cycle with havoc :
1-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 30 mg
2-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 30 mg
3-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 60 mg
4-Week : 30 mg havoc + propadrol 60 mg
I would recommend a bridge then,

week1- halo@50/prop@30
week2- halo@50/prop@30
week3- halo@50/prop@30/havoc@30
week4- halo@50/prop@30/Havoc@30
week5- Prop@30/havoc@30
week6- Prop@30/Havoc@30

that should rock your socks off bro.