Strong stack...thoughts?

[Justinian]

Any thoughts on this cycle?

This cycle, if ever I run it, will be my last as I have run too many. I am 190 lbs now and would like to get to at least 200. BF is not much of an issue as I am slender already, but I would like muscle definition and hardness instead of mass. As I am tall and lean, so are my muscles and my frame won't support much mass (every male in my family has a similar body frame and weight).

Cycle
Week 1-8 - Bold 200 @ 800
Week 1-4 - SD @ 10/20/20/10
Week 5-8 - PP @ 15/30/30/15 or Halo-Mass 25/50/50/25

Support supps:
Fish oil
Hawthorne Berry
CoQ10
Creatine (GM or Clout/BO stack pre-workout and GM after)
BCAAs (Xtend)

PCT
HyperTEST
Reduce
SAM-e or NOW liver detox
I need help on which SERM to use!! Torem or Nolva?'
- Also, I get gyno symptoms very early in cycle, as in week 2 I can feel a lump. Should SERM be run throughout or should AI be run throughout and SERM in PCT?

[KinesitionChirossage]

Any thoughts on this cycle?

This cycle, if ever I run it, will be my last as I have run too many. I am 190 lbs now and would like to get to at least 200. BF is not much of an issue as I am slender already, but I would like muscle definition and hardness instead of mass. As I am tall and lean, so are my muscles and my frame won't support much mass (every male in my family has a similar body frame and weight).

Cycle
Week 1-8 - Bold 200 @ 800
Week 1-4 - SD @ 10/20/20/10
Week 5-8 - PP @ 15/30/30/15 or Halo-Mass 25/50/50/25

Support supps:
Fish oil
Hawthorne Berry
CoQ10
Creatine (GM or Clout/BO stack pre-workout and GM after)
BCAAs (Xtend)

PCT
HyperTEST
Reduce
SAM-e or NOW liver detox
I need help on which SERM to use!! Torem or Nolva?'
- Also, I get gyno symptoms very early in cycle, as in week 2 I can feel a lump. Should SERM be run throughout or should AI be run throughout and SERM in PCT?


Ok for cycle advice.

You say that you want muscle definition and hardness, but gaining fat, or water isn't an issue. Its gotta' be one, or the other. If you're wanting hardness and definition, I've gotta stack for you.

Week 1: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Testabolan @ 4 caps
Week 2: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 20mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 3: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 30mg, Dermacrine
Week 4: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 5: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 50mg, Dermacrine
Week 6: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 7: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 30mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 8: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 10mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps

Supportive Supplements:
Fish Oil @ 3g of combined EPA + DHA content
Sesamin Oil @ 500mg 3 times daily
If you're concerned about possible hair loss, then I would go ahead and double dose some Saw Palmetto and use Nizoral anti-DHT shampoo EOD.
SAMe and Liver Detox. I personally would use both, but I'd do so immediately after the cessation of my cycle.
Hawthorn Berry: Go ahead and run this throughout the duration of your cycle. I personally would double-dose it the month that you'd be taking three PHs.
CoQ10: Take 200mg-400mg everyday whilst on cycle, as well as PCT. This is one of those supplements that should be taken by everyone year round.
Acetyl L-Carnitine: Dinoiii says that this supplement has a place with concurrent BOLD usage. Due to its androgen receptor adaptation? Take 5g upon wakening and 5g before workout.
Using your Body Octane and CLOUT whilst on your cycle is fine.

For PCT, I would go ahead and use the Torem. I am not familiar with how you'd need to dose it, but from what I have read, it seems to be far superior to Nolvadex. Go ahead and stack ActivaTe Xtreme with Omega Sports "T-Force" for your natural test boost stack. And roll with Lean Xtreme for your anti-cortisol. This would pretty much be the best stack EVER!!!!

[ItalianGuns]

Ok for cycle advice.

You say that you want muscle definition and hardness, but gaining fat, or water isn't an issue. Its gotta' be one, or the other. If you're wanting hardness and definition, I've gotta stack for you.

Week 1: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Testabolan @ 4 caps
Week 2: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 20mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 3: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 30mg, Dermacrine
Week 4: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 5: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 50mg, Dermacrine
Week 6: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 7: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 30mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 8: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 10mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps

Supportive Supplements:
Fish Oil @ 3g of combined EPA + DHA content
Sesamin Oil @ 500mg 3 times daily
If you're concerned about possible hair loss, then I would go ahead and double dose some Saw Palmetto and use Nizoral anti-DHT shampoo EOD.
SAMe and Liver Detox. I personally would use both, but I'd do so immediately after the cessation of my cycle.
Hawthorn Berry: Go ahead and run this throughout the duration of your cycle. I personally would double-dose it the month that you'd be taking three PHs.
CoQ10: Take 200mg-400mg everyday whilst on cycle, as well as PCT. This is one of those supplements that should be taken by everyone year round.
Acetyl L-Carnitine: Dinoiii says that this supplement has a place with concurrent BOLD usage. Due to its androgen receptor adaptation? Take 5g upon wakening and 5g before workout.
Using your Body Octane and CLOUT whilst on your cycle is fine.

For PCT, I would go ahead and use the Torem. I am not familiar with how you'd need to dose it, but from what I have read, it seems to be far superior to Nolvadex. Go ahead and stack ActivaTe Xtreme with Omega Sports "T-Force" for your natural test boost stack. And roll with Lean Xtreme for your anti-cortisol. This would pretty much be the best stack EVER!!!!

What he said ^^^^^:D

[Justinian]

Ok for cycle advice.

You say that you want muscle definition and hardness, but gaining fat, or water isn't an issue. Its gotta' be one, or the other. If you're wanting hardness and definition, I've gotta stack for you.

Week 1: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Testabolan @ 4 caps
Week 2: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 20mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 3: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 30mg, Dermacrine
Week 4: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 5: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 50mg, Dermacrine
Week 6: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 7: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 30mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 8: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 10mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps

Supportive Supplements:
Fish Oil @ 3g of combined EPA + DHA content
Sesamin Oil @ 500mg 3 times daily
If you're concerned about possible hair loss, then I would go ahead and double dose some Saw Palmetto and use Nizoral anti-DHT shampoo EOD.
SAMe and Liver Detox. I personally would use both, but I'd do so immediately after the cessation of my cycle.
Hawthorn Berry: Go ahead and run this throughout the duration of your cycle. I personally would double-dose it the month that you'd be taking three PHs.
CoQ10: Take 200mg-400mg everyday whilst on cycle, as well as PCT. This is one of those supplements that should be taken by everyone year round.
Acetyl L-Carnitine: Dinoiii says that this supplement has a place with concurrent BOLD usage. Due to its androgen receptor adaptation? Take 5g upon wakening and 5g before workout.
Using your Body Octane and CLOUT whilst on your cycle is fine.

For PCT, I would go ahead and use the Torem. I am not familiar with how you'd need to dose it, but from what I have read, it seems to be far superior to Nolvadex. Go ahead and stack ActivaTe Xtreme with Omega Sports "T-Force" for your natural test boost stack. And roll with Lean Xtreme for your anti-cortisol. This would pretty much be the best stack EVER!!!!

1. Interesting...why dermacrine?

2. I only meant before that gaining fat or water weight never seems to happen to me due to my fast metabolism and ectomorphic genetic structure.

3. I suppose Furazadrol could be substituted instead of Tren because I have run Tren to many times with little results but I wanted to try SD and PP since they are stronger than Tren and I have never used them.

4. What about my gyno situation? Should I run Torem throughout the cycle? Gyno WILL set in with me, no doubt about that. I need to prevent it at all costs if I run this stack or any other.

However thanks for the input and recos on my stack!

[dinoiii]

Well, I'll respond with some points...

1. Interesting...why dermacrine?

I personally don't care for TD resveratrol and on AM, Dr.D and I have gone over the reasons why this does NOT make sense.



4. What about my gyno situation? Should I run Torem throughout the cycle? Gyno WILL set in with me, no doubt about that. I need to prevent it at all costs if I run this stack or any other.

Personally think this will detract from some of the potential gains. I would question the worth of this particular compound - how about a transdermal Form or something to that effect vs. torem?


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[dinoiii]

Week 1: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Testabolan @ 4 caps
Week 2: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 20mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 3: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 30mg, Dermacrine
Week 4: BOLD @ 1g, Trenadrol @ 60mg, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 5: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 50mg, Dermacrine
Week 6: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 40mg, Dermacrine
Week 7: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 30mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps
Week 8: BOLD @ 1g, Epi @ 10mg, T-Boner @ 4 caps

Probably a bit overzealous!

Why on Earth people would employ 3 Class I agents is a bit puzzling?

And what the hell is "T-Boner"??? (What a stupid name)


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[KinesitionChirossage]

Probably a bit overzealous!

Why on Earth people would employ 3 Class I agents is a bit puzzling?

And what the hell is "T-Boner"??? (What a stupid name)


D_

Overzealous, perhaps! My logic for a triple-stack for Justinian is due to his lengthy experience with PH cycles. If he were more of a "virgin" to the game, I would not have knowningly prescribed such an "overzealous" cycle.

Though I do realize that classes truly do exist in the PH/AAS realm, I do not believe that they cannot stack well together though. I think several people have proven that same class synergies do exist and are efficacous.

"T-Boner" stands for Testabolan, which several people in these parts call, "TestaBONER." Using the name "T-Boner" was just merely my way of shortening either the product name, or the nickname.

[dinoiii]

Overzealous, perhaps! My logic for a triple-stack for Justinian is due to his lengthy experience with PH cycles. If he were more of a "virgin" to the game, I would not have knowningly prescribed such an "overzealous" cycle.

With his "gyno" history, I would probably be inclined to disagree.



Though I do realize that classes truly do exist in the PH/AAS realm, I do not believe that they cannot stack well together though. I think several people have proven that same class synergies do exist and are efficacous.

People underestimate this concept I believe and I think the blood values on said agents have supported as much. To each their own and if you have the money, I suppose I could care what is done with it; but an educated reality dictates that there is a dose-limiting effect to be had here.




"T-Boner" stands for Testabolan, which several people in these parts call, "TestaBONER." Using the name "T-Boner" was just merely my way of shortening either the product name, or the nickname.

Whatever... ;)



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[KinesitionChirossage]

With his "gyno" history, I would probably be inclined to disagree.





People underestimate this concept I believe and I think the blood values on said agents have supported as much. To each their own and if you have the money, I suppose I could care what is done with it; but an educated reality dictates that there is a dose-limiting effect to be had here.






Whatever... ;)



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Go with what he said. I wasn't thinking about the gyno. I'd take a COMPETENT doctor's advice over mine any day.