H-Drol + Prop VS P-Plex + Prop

[Biceps]

Hi guys,

I am gearing up for another cycle and looking for input.

Stats

Age: 28:
Height: 5'10
Weight: 220lbs
Bodyfat: 11%

Goal of cycle: To gain 10lbs of LEAN mass and to decrease bodyfat by 2%, while at the same time maintaining a strong libido throughout the cycle.

Input from users who have run both cycles, or one of the cycles outlined would be great and very much appreciated.

I've seen that the H-drol + Prop has been a very successful and favorite cycle of forum members on here, but I haven't found too much "informative" information on stacking P-Plex and Prop. Eh, maybe I suck at searching ;)

Proposed Cycle as of now

Week1: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week2: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week3: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week4: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week5: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week6: 75mg Hdrol, 120mg Prop
Week7: 120mg Prop
Week8: 120mg Prop

[cubfan4real]

Hi guys,

I am gearing up for another cycle and looking for input.

Stats

Age: 28:
Height: 5'10
Weight: 220lbs
Bodyfat: 11%

Goal of cycle: To gain 10lbs of LEAN mass and to decrease bodyfat by 2%, while at the same time maintaining a strong libido throughout the cycle.

Input from users who have run both cycles, or one of the cycles outlined would be great and very much appreciated.

I've seen that the H-drol + Prop has been a very successful and favorite cycle of forum members on here, but I haven't found too much "informative" information on stacking P-Plex and Prop. Eh, maybe I suck at searching ;)

Proposed Cycle as of now

Week1: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week2: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week3: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week4: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week5: 75mg Hdrol, 90mg Prop
Week6: 75mg Hdrol, 120mg Prop
Week7: 120mg Prop
Week8: 120mg Prop

What is your reasoning behind running Prop for 8 weeks, and at elevated doses?

I will be running this cycle in a few weeks at the recommended doses for 4 weeks, with the possibilty of extending Hdrol to 6 weeks.

[Biceps]

What is your reasoning behind running Prop for 8 weeks, and at elevated doses?

I will be running this cycle in a few weeks at the recommended doses for 4 weeks, with the possibilty of extending Hdrol to 6 weeks.


Hey, thanks for the response. :) I've read posts from EST reps stating that it is not uncommon for prop to be run for 8 weeks. However, whether or not that is safe I am unsure of....EST reps, any input on that? This will be my last cycle before I start dieting down for my next NPC bodybuilding show and am looking to gain the most quality mass in the areas I need it most, hence the duration of 8 weeks. Maybe 8 weeks is too long. Thoughts?

I've also run many cycles before, including E...Max LMG, Max LMG, PP, SD, etc. At my weight and with my prior PH/PS experience I find that I respond best to the higher doses. I've started cycles at lower doses, only to end up feeling like I've wasted 3 weeks of my cycle using low and unproductive doses. I'd like to avoid that. 90mg Prop seems to be pretty standard, and if I'm gaining well and consistently then I'll ramp up to 120mg. Obviously there's no need for me to take more than what is effective, so I'll be playing the decision to ramp up to 120mg by ear.

Do you think that 120 is too high, and if so, what is your reasoning?

Thanks again :)

[cubfan4real]

I've heard the same thing as well, but was just curious as to what your thought process was. Are you planning on keeping a log or writing a review afterwards?

We are fairly similar in stats (weight anyway), and I'm interested to see your feedback. I've had my compounds and PCT lined up and stashed in my freezer.

I will be loading Hawthorne Berries for 2 weeks and then starting my cycle. I have enough Hdrol to bump up the dosage if necessary, but only 1 bottle of Prop. I traded my 2nd bottle away for some Trenadrol.

Good luck with your run and kick ass at the NPC!

[Biceps]

I've heard the same thing as well, but was just curious as to what your thought process was. Are you planning on keeping a log or writing a review afterwards?

We are fairly similar in stats (weight anyway), and I'm interested to see your feedback. I've had my compounds and PCT lined up and stashed in my freezer.

I will be loading Hawthorne Berries for 2 weeks and then starting my cycle. I have enough Hdrol to bump up the dosage if necessary, but only 1 bottle of Prop. I traded my 2nd bottle away for some Trenadrol.

Good luck with your run and kick ass at the NPC!

Thanks :) I will keep a log that I update on a weekly basis, or once every 5 days.

For PCT I will be using Fast Action's Revive-T. It is identicle to our original PCT product that was licensed to us by ALRI back in the day, and is the only pct product for stronger cycles that I trust because of how well it has worked for me. I will also be using products like Retain2 throughout my pct, along with supporting supplements both on cycle and during pct. I've opted to use Anabolic Innovation's Life Support, along with 4-6g daily of Fish Oil.

[cubfan4real]

Thanks :) I will keep a log that I update on a weekly basis, or once every 5 days.

For PCT I will be using Fast Action's Revive-T. It is identicle to our original PCT product that was licensed to us by ALRI back in the day, and is the only pct product for stronger cycles that I trust because of how well it has worked for me. I will also be using products like Retain2 throughout my pct, along with supporting supplements both on cycle and during pct. I've opted to use Anabolic Innovation's Life Support, along with 4-6g daily of Fish Oil.

How does Revive-T get dosed, and for how long?

I have the SNS PCT Stack and Blue Up on hand. My supporting supplements will be NOW Adam, Fish Oil, B-Complex, Hawthorne Berries, and Glucosamine (I take these all the time with the exception of Hawthorne). Diet is spot on as well.

I will also be keeping a log on training days only. I've seen tremendous feedback on this combination (as have you I would gather) so I'm definitely excited.

[usf97j4x4]

Halo route based on your goals.. i think 75 mg for 6 weeks is too much though

[mw1111]

Hdrol and Prop. I am a Halo lover so i may be bias:o If u run the Prop , then definetely do it at those doses- running it at 60mg is a complete waste IMO. Should get some very good results w/ that.

[mw1111]

Thanks :) I will keep a log that I update on a weekly basis, or once every 5 days.

For PCT I will be using Fast Action's Revive-T. It is identicle to our original PCT product that was licensed to us by ALRI back in the day, and is the only pct product for stronger cycles that I trust because of how well it has worked for me. I will also be using products like Retain2 throughout my pct, along with supporting supplements both on cycle and during pct. I've opted to use Anabolic Innovation's Life Support, along with 4-6g daily of Fish Oil.
:eek: :eek: Not using the HDX2/ new and improved Mass FX for PCT?:)


Also w/ the prop i think i would probably do weeks 1 and 8 solo with the prop , not 7 and 8 like u outlined.

[Biceps]

:eek: Not using the HDX2/ new and improved Mass FX for PCT?:)

The HyperdrolX2 is definitely an option. I've had awesome success with high doses of 6bromo before in pct, but the original PCT formula is like my first love. I have an unfleating fondness for it ;) The new MassFX will for sure be in my pct :D


Also w/ the prop i think i would probably do weeks 1 and 8 solo with the prop , not 7 and 8 like u outlined.


Interesting. Why do you say that?

[mw1111]

The HyperdrolX2 is definitely an option. I've had awesome success with high doses of 6bromo before in pct, but the original PCT formula is like my first love. I have an unfleating fondness for it ;) The new MassFX will for sure be in my pct :D




Interesting. Why do you say that? Well it seems with Prop there is a "loading Phase" i guess u could say, that is why i suggest starting it one week prior to Halo. Secondly , Prop is not a Solo ph at all; i just dont think you will get as much out of it solo for 2 weeks? I might be wrong- is there any particular reason you were stacking it that way?

You could just do the Halo for 8 weks too...........it your liver not mine J/K:D

[mw1111]

Hi guys,

I am gearing up for another cycle and looking for input.

Stats

Age: 28:
Height: 5'10
Weight: 220lbs
Bodyfat: 11%

Goal of cycle: To gain 10lbs of LEAN mass and to decrease bodyfat by 2%, while at the same time maintaining a strong libido throughout the cycle.


I just read your goals for this cycle( sorry:p ) and thats definetly attainable w/ the Halo/ prop.... I would finish off w/ HDX2/ Mass cause you know you will still get a few for pds in pct then;)

[Biceps]

I just read your goals for this cycle( sorry:p ) and thats definetly attainable w/ the Halo/ prop.... I would finish off w/ HDX2/ Mass cause you know you will still get a few for pds in pct then;)


Upon further consideration I will be using HyperdrolX2, Advanced PCt, Retain2 and our new MassFX Maximum Strength as my post cycle therapy. I was re-reading some of my old notes from previous cycles (yes, I keep notes and thoughts :D) and my success in pct was far greater with high doses of 6bromo. I've been sick these past few days and haven't been thinking clearly :o

[Biceps]

Well it seems with Prop there is a "loading Phase" i guess u could say, that is why i suggest starting it one week prior to Halo. Secondly , Prop is not a Solo ph at all; i just dont think you will get as much out of it solo for 2 weeks? I might be wrong- is there any particular reason you were stacking it that way?

You could just do the Halo for 8 weks too...........it your liver not mine J/K:D


I actually really like your suggestion and will use it. So I'll do this.

Week1: 90mg Prop
Week2: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week3: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week4: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week5: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week6: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week7: 90mg Prop, 75mg Halo
Week8: 90mg Prop

Halo for 8 weeks....hell no :eek: LOL!!! I've run Halo before at 50mg and found that I really respond better to 75mg.

[Court56]

which brand of h-drol were you going to use?

[mw1111]

which brand of h-drol were you going to use?

CEL makes H-DROL


One of these days i'm going to have to do Halo at 75mg. I ve always ran it at 50 but im sure that would be awesome.:)

[Biceps]

which brand of h-drol were you going to use?


Yeah, I'll be using CEL's H-Drol.

[RisingAgainst]

Hey, thanks for the response. :) I've read posts from EST reps stating that it is not uncommon for prop to be run for 8 weeks. However, whether or not that is safe I am unsure of....EST reps, any input on that? This will be my last cycle before I start dieting down for my next NPC bodybuilding show and am looking to gain the most quality mass in the areas I need it most, hence the duration of 8 weeks. Maybe 8 weeks is too long. Thoughts?

I've also run many cycles before, including E...Max LMG, Max LMG, PP, SD, etc. At my weight and with my prior PH/PS experience I find that I respond best to the higher doses. I've started cycles at lower doses, only to end up feeling like I've wasted 3 weeks of my cycle using low and unproductive doses. I'd like to avoid that. 90mg Prop seems to be pretty standard, and if I'm gaining well and consistently then I'll ramp up to 120mg. Obviously there's no need for me to take more than what is effective, so I'll be playing the decision to ramp up to 120mg by ear.

Do you think that 120 is too high, and if so, what is your reasoning?

Thanks again :)
Phera/prop... hands down
Halo route based on your goals.. i think 75 mg for 6 weeks is too much though
6 weeks both, 120/prop or 90/120 whatever, but 6 weeks tops on both would be your best route. 75 halo isnt to much, 100 = sweet spot for advanced users... so ... I dunno why all the tears up there LOL

[RisingAgainst]

phera at 30 for 6 weeks
prop at 90-120 for 6 weeks


perfect for your goals bro.

[jdee297]

phera at 30 for 6 weeks
prop at 90-120 for 6 weeks


perfect for your goals bro.

i agree based on that iv done it :D

[Biceps]

Phera/prop... hands down

6 weeks both, 120/prop or 90/120 whatever, but 6 weeks tops on both would be your best route. 75 halo isnt to much, 100 = sweet spot for advanced users... so ... I dunno why all the tears up there LOL

Well damn, I already have the H-drol....hmmmm. I'll definitely be using 120mg of Prop. Looks like I'll be using 100mg Halo unless I decide to get some phera at the last minute LOL!!

[GotTest]

I've read a few posts where some guys started shedding at 75mg/day with Halo. If you care about your follicles, you might want to pick up some Nizoral or 5% spiro.

[mw1111]

Well Biceps , when does this cycle start?

[bmoremade26]

id go with phera and prop i never tried prop but loved the AX phera plex:) havent tried the clones yet of it though