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TOMMYGUNZ657
January 2nd, 2008, 08:35 PM
Scince there is no more m-drol or p-plex on DA would trenadrol have simaler gains??? this would be my second cycle

TOMMYGUNZ657
January 2nd, 2008, 08:36 PM
i am trying to bulk and have definition

kpozr2
January 2nd, 2008, 10:27 PM
Trenadrol is more for strength IMO.

Tap U Out
January 2nd, 2008, 10:34 PM
Trenadrol got me about 10lbs in 2months its great stuff, ima gonna run it again, make sure u get some hawthorne berries frist, to work with ya Blood Pressure Tren is known for rasising BP, i would rec. at least a week be4 you start take some HB and during the cycle.

FutureKill
January 2nd, 2008, 10:55 PM
There are plenty of m-drol and p-plex clones. M-drol and P-plex are superdrol and Phera-Plex clones themselves (respectively).

SD Clones = methyl-vol and methadrol.
P-plex Clones = Phera-Vol, P-Max, Phera-Bol and Phera-Mass

Hope that helps.

TOMMYGUNZ657
January 2nd, 2008, 11:02 PM
thanks guys but i am kinda scared to run a p-plex/m-drol cycle cuz this would only be my second cycle due you think it would be safe???? what could be a safer alternative??? thanks

joe1313
January 2nd, 2008, 11:50 PM
I-Force's Bold would be an excellent 2nd Cycle.You could even stack Hdrol
with it.

BUDWEISEMAN
January 3rd, 2008, 11:28 PM
would you loose defenition with p-plex?

kaoz
January 4th, 2008, 09:08 AM
I Didnt Like The Trenadrol I Got Allright Results But My Head Felt Like It Was Going To Explode.my Head Would Hurt Bad If I Just Started Thinking Real Hard Or Messing With My Car My Head Just Felt Like Its About Explode.

grow'n'bigger
January 8th, 2008, 08:20 PM
tren and propadrol got me 15#s and my strength went through the roof with very very little side effects in my opinion better then the real stuff

ShiftyCapone
January 8th, 2008, 09:59 PM
would you loose defenition with p-plex?

Its very wet so you would potentially "lose" some definition while retaining excess water...

fjet
January 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM
you have to run hawthorn berry wth the trenadrol or your head will split in half... hawthorn took about 3 days to set in for me..

good luck.

ShiftyCapone
January 8th, 2008, 10:33 PM
you have to run hawthorn berry wth the trenadrol or your head will split in half... hawthorn took about 3 days to set in for me..

good luck.

If you're referring to headaches and hawthorn, I've never really noticed any relation there. It just keeps my BP from getting outta the normal range. And 2 weeks is the rule of thumb on Hawthorn "setting in"...

On the other hand, Increasing water intake generally helps relieve supplement0induced headaches for me.

buckeyejake
January 9th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Is the majority opinion to run Tren for six weeks as opposed to 4. I am currently one week into my ph at 60/60/60/60. Has adding another 2 weeks made that much difference???

jdee297
January 9th, 2008, 04:23 PM
Its very wet so you would potentially "lose" some definition while retaining excess water...

But it goes away after cycle. P-plex made me and animal. By far it is the best strenght and size ph avalible and my personal favorite to date.

Trenadrol is also an awsome ph. It will raise bp so you have to use hawthorn berry and even then you can have a head ache. If you have any kind of bp or heart problems stay away from it. Oh and tren is a dry bulker. I put on 10 lbs with it while cutting fat.

I would say stay away from sd too. I never got anything good out of the 3 cycles iv ran of it. (forget about staking p-plex with m-drol... thats a very advanced cycle for someone with lots of experience)

If you have not ran halo then thats an awsome ph. Dry gains with cutting fat and increasing muscle size.

Bold is also a very nice ph (iv have yet to run it) Its non mythle so it can be stacked with just about anything. Bold and halo would make a very good stack.

ShiftyCapone
January 9th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Is the majority opinion to run Tren for six weeks as opposed to 4. I am currently one week into my ph at 60/60/60/60. Has adding another 2 weeks made that much difference???

Well the main reason for running shorter cycles like that (3 or 4) weeks is because of the sides, shutdown, etc. Most people will run tren for up to 6 weeks. Some have gone 8. 6 I can see, 8 might be a bit much. Its just that the sides are generally low, in camparison to other PHs, on Tren even 6 weeks in...

rdouble79
January 10th, 2008, 07:18 AM
Yeah i loved the strength gains on trenadrol but damn the headaches were the absolute worse i ever had and i get migraines. But, on the tren it felt like a blood vessel in my head was gonna burst open. Pre-load the Hawthorne and make sure you've got enough, i got some from a friend so i ran out early but believe me if i run it again i will make sure i have enough.

rdouble79
January 10th, 2008, 07:20 AM
Btw, i ran it for 4 weeks and didn't notice any sides besides the headaches at the end. Some minor back pumps but no worse than when i squat heavy.