Deca

[Wes Carnegie]

Hey guys. I've got a friend that is about to start taking something and asked me what to take. He's 22 and this is his first cylce. I told him to steer clear, but he's grown and I'm not his mom. I said if he was going to take anything he should try deca. If any of you have any recomendations for pct or something else to stack with it, please share or if needed, shoot me an email.

Wes

[max von]

Nolva is your best bet unless you are predisposed to gyno problems. I would also look at winstrol. Is not quite as hard on system, also comes in pill if you dont like needles

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Sounds good. Do you think that winstrol is a better option? He's looking for a little more size, but I think winstrol would accomplish that since its his first cycle.

Wes

[max von]

Winstrol is a very solid AAS. Now its not going to blow him up like some of the other AAS that are out there, but it is less toxic and the sides are very minimal. Deca is awesome to but I like the fact that Winstrol is avalible as a pill to. That does make it alittle bit more toxic but I hate needles

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Thanks man. I'll relay the info and see what he says. I think he's only wanting to go about 6 weeks anyway.

Thanks

Wes

[dinoiii]

Wes, how many young friends do you have wishing to do something like this? Wow.

[Wes Carnegie]

Well... Only two or three, but they won't shut up about it. I know it sounds like I'm taking them, but I'm really not just because I don't see a need right now and I'm only 18. Since I've been eating again, I've seen amazing results. By the way... My friend has decided to go with Winstrol, and is about to start. He's gonna do 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri with a 25 gauge needle. If you can help me enlighten him anymore, please let me know.

Thanks,

Wes

[shuttaLCD]

Well... Only two or three, but they won't shut up about it. I know it sounds like I'm taking them, but I'm really not just because I don't see a need right now and I'm only 18. Since I've been eating again, I've seen amazing results. By the way... My friend has decided to go with Winstrol, and is about to start. He's gonna do 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri with a 25 gauge needle. If you can help me enlighten him anymore, please let me know.

Thanks,

Wes


Thats good to hear that your not takeing them at 18..smart.....Now about your friend..Winni is known to give painful joints due to the water it will draw out of them... I have heard of guys useing EQ (EQUIPOISE)..He might want to look into that...I have also heard of EQ hardening muscles also...to give a nice look....BUT LOOK INTO IT.... that was just stuff i heard and read around on the NET....

I do suggest he wait another year mabye 2......


-Shutta

[dinoiii]

I have refrained from posting in this forum for a while, because I cannot govern how well the information is transferred and used appropriately, for the sake of this argument, we will assume the following to be for information purposes only.

While I am not here to judge, I think your friend is not ready to make a truly informed decision. I must say kudos to your friend at least for a good selection. Milligram for milligram, Winstrol is likely the most effective oral but it is a 17 alkyl steroid unfortuantely. It isn't really a strength-producer, but the lean mass gains in the what-would-likely-be-considered very "hardening" form without water retention and even sometimes body fat losses are better. The fat loss side of the coin likely comes from its secondary stimulation of IGF-1.

One thing you may "scare" your friend with is its hair loss potential, which is likely the biggest side I think I have heard reported. Its a little funky because this is NOT due to DHT conversion but its easy attachment to the scalp androgen receptor sites (well, ok this has not been verified, but is hypothesized at the moment). Hopefully, there is no pattern baldness scenario in his family, huh? Yet still, this is obviously a better choice than the aforementioned D-bol experiment your friend was thinking of entertaining as far as the liver toxicity potential. There is no estrogenic conversion so I would steer clear of warning him about this hormone and the sides that come with it (i.e. - gyno, etc...) but what you can do is warn him of some Progesterone inhibition sides by blocking the receptor site. Something like Nolva is not necessary during cycle, but be forewared the aftermath (i.e. - PCT) is something you REALLY NEED ON HAND - from resumed androgen aromatization and the lack of Progesterone receptor blockage which is kind of seen with Nolva too. The only thing that becomes a challenge is the continued blockage of this receptor site as Nolva has this effect too.

I am intrigued by the dosing pattern you offered that your friend would parttake in and it really makes me think your friend is not ready for this cycle. He may consider a little Anavar in HPTA restimulation prior to true "PCT" which would likely have some benefit to aiding post-cycle lean mass retention.

I know only a few people that have used Winstrol as a stand alone these days and the most familiar protocol I know of is conjunction with Dianabol and Anadrol or at best GH and a little Cytomel as either part of a lean mass cycle or pre-contest if adding the Anadrol at a later date (like 3-4 final weeks of your pre-contest cycle).

Does he actually have the compound on hand? Some people have actually reported saving money by simply ingesting the injectable form. I don't know though nor would I suggest it, but it is used. One thing I do know is your friend - provided you have given us all the info - is still off in his planning.

[shuttaLCD]

Nice post Dinoiii,

Like i say in my signature...

Tell your friend to PLAN more....He needs alot more research on this....


-Shutta

[Wes Carnegie]

Thank you dino. He's a little nervous, but already has it and is starting on monday. I've already explained to him about the hair loss situation, and he dosen't seem to be concerned. I told him about the joint issues, and recomeded something like deca that could lubricate the joints instead. He has Nolva on hand for pct. The biggest thing now is trying to get his diet in check... It's already a risk physically, but if he dosen't diet, he will waste his money as well. It's pretty much already set in stone, but if you have any more recomendations for the cycle or pct, please let me know.

Thanks for the help,

Wes

[Wes Carnegie]

Oh... By the way, what can you tell me about anavar? I know that it's one of the safer one's out there, but it seems to have been pushed to the side more recently. What can you tell me about the sides and liver irritation?

Wes

[max von]

I must say that I can not agree with Dinoiii and his post more. I really do appreciate your info.

I must say that AAS are one of my passions and is where most of my knowledge is in. I have been reading and learing about then since 1986 when I was 16 and first came across DECA. The tough part I you try to given info in the section and you hope that people finish there research into these products.

Winstrol is on of the most popular AAS out there cause it just plain works. Winstrol has been around since 1962 when it was patented. Dinoiii is correct that I is usually stacked and can be used with Dianabol and Anadrol 50 for a great bulking stack.

It is also stacked with Primobolan Deca or Equipoise( as shutta mention) for a great cutting stack. I have as Dinoiii said spoke with people who actually drink the injectable cause the dont like the needles.

I dont want to sound like I am preaching its just that I have been trying to educate people as much as I can on AAS and how safe and effective they are and even benifically to.

There is a famous DR Foss that works at the U-Wisconsin Madison that I hope to interview soon for a possible upcoming article in a magazine.

thanks for listening

[Wes Carnegie]

Awsome Max. This is very enjoyable to read. I like hearing feedback from you guys, cause something as serious as AAS needs special attention to the little things. I'm telling my buddy everything that I know, and everything else that I'm learning, and hopefully he will have good results without overdoing it.

Wes

[dinoiii]

You can NOT agree with my post more?

What is it you did not like about it?

It sounds as though the only part you object to is the drinking of injectable versions and that being said, I will ask you this: why on earth would you? to save money I guess? In the grand scheme though this is about as silly as many of the other practices being preached about. This isn't the time for an analytic discussion BUT hydrophilic bioadhesive polymers cannot undergo the process of digestion and therefore, you suffer in the absorption process. It seems as though this would be a potential waste. If you were to ration it out. If only 5% of the IV product works but you are paying LESS - is it more cost effective? If only 15% of the Oral product works but you are paying more - is it less cost effective? This practice renders solubility null and void.

Again - something a bright armchair came up with years ago and sure you get a result but why settle for less than a result x 20?

Alas I continue to digress...

[max von]

actually I must have typed it wrong what I was trying to say is that I totally agree with your post.

sorry for the confusion on that must have been tired LOL

[dinoiii]

I was scratching my head for a while. I couldn't figure out what parts you were disagreeing with really. Thanks for the clarification.

[max von]

I was scratching my head for a while. I couldn't figure out what parts you were disagreeing with really. Thanks for the clarification.

No problem I re read it it

[tek]

First of all. what kinda Decca is he taking ?? Decca200 ? Decca300 ?? how much mg's a week is he running ?? i wouldt run decca alone. cause you have some probs down the road. =x if hes trying to Bulk/Mass, i would perfer going with Decca300/Test400. real good gains outta that combo. i would also consider running Nolva on the 8th or so wk.

[Wes Carnegie]

It's 250- He ran it for 6 weeks and is now on his 4th week of Nolva. He gained 16 pounds that he has kept and had no sides at all. He used about 400 mg a week. I kept a close watch on him, and everything went real smooth.

Wes Carnegie

[tek]

Deca 250 ?? never herd of that. what Lab makes this ??

[Easton]

I am taking a guess, but i think what he means is he is taking Decabol, which comes in vials of 10 ml containing 250mg/ml. Since I have never heard of "Deca 250"...I can only come to this conclusion.

[IrishMedic24]

British Dragon makes Decabol 250...I dont know if it is a legit product or what you should expect from it, but I have seen it. Anyone know what the difference is in Decabol 250?